C's interested in acquiring the second pick?

[hwangjini_1]

I just want to point out that Rubio is garbage.

He may not be garbage, but you can't give up Rondo for him straight up.  You never give up a young, proven player with a ton of upside for a young, unproven player with a ton of upside.  It would have to be a case where the C's were getting more.

And anyways, I just don't see how it would make sense for the C's to be getting Rubio at all, since they are playing for a championship, and he is not ready to be a starter on a championship team yet.

actually, didnt ainge try to trade pierce for chris paul a few years back during the draft?

[Chris]

I just want to point out that Rubio is garbage.

He may not be garbage, but you can't give up Rondo for him straight up.  You never give up a young, proven player with a ton of upside for a young, unproven player with a ton of upside.  It would have to be a case where the C's were getting more.

And anyways, I just don't see how it would make sense for the C's to be getting Rubio at all, since they are playing for a championship, and he is not ready to be a starter on a championship team yet.

actually, didnt ainge try to trade pierce for chris paul a few years back during the draft?

A few BIG differences.

First, it was before the draft.

Second, it was Chris Paul, who was a much more proven commodity than Rubio, and was considered by many people as the best PG prospect since Magic Johnson (I think that may be close to an exact quote).

Third, and most importantly, the C's were in the middle of rebuilding, not trying to win a championship.  They had the time to let Chris Paul grow, rather than throwing him into a race for a championship right away.

[vagrantwade]

I just want to point out that Rubio is garbage.

say what you want but this video is pretty sick

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That being said, i dont know if i would want to give up Rondo for him unless we got something else. Like maybe rondo, giddens and a filler/future pick for #2 and Gay or #2 and Marc Gasol. Rubio looks good, but i wouldnt risk giving up our franchise point for an unproven rookie. However, if we could grab something else it would be a great trade


Rubio/Marbury                                                           Rubio/Marbury
Ray/House/walker                                                     Ray/House/Walker
PP/Scals                                   OR                               Paul/Gay/Scal
KG/BBD/Powe                                                             KG/BBD
Perk/Gasol                                                                   Perk/Powe

Either way, our team gets younger and deeper. This is before any signing of free agents too. If we could pull a deal like this i would be extatic. I love  Gay as a player, but i think getting Gasol might help us more, especially with the question marks on Powe's knee and BBD's contract

His stats were absolute garbage in the Olympics.

[Moranis]

I just want to point out that Rubio is garbage.

say what you want but this video is pretty sick

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That being said, i dont know if i would want to give up Rondo for him unless we got something else. Like maybe rondo, giddens and a filler/future pick for #2 and Gay or #2 and Marc Gasol. Rubio looks good, but i wouldnt risk giving up our franchise point for an unproven rookie. However, if we could grab something else it would be a great trade


Rubio/Marbury                                                           Rubio/Marbury
Ray/House/walker                                                     Ray/House/Walker
PP/Scals                                   OR                               Paul/Gay/Scal
KG/BBD/Powe                                                             KG/BBD
Perk/Gasol                                                                   Perk/Powe

Either way, our team gets younger and deeper. This is before any signing of free agents too. If we could pull a deal like this i would be extatic. I love  Gay as a player, but i think getting Gasol might help us more, especially with the question marks on Powe's knee and BBD's contract

His stats were absolute garbage in the Olympics.

garbage is a bit harsh for a guy that pulled down 4 rebounds and had 2.1 steals a game in 18.5 minutes.  He also had 3 assists a game.  He didn't shoot the ball well at all, but the rest of his game was pretty solid.

[laverdad34]

I think that RR (Ricky Rubio...not rajon...) will be the next steve nash, BUT i don't like the idea of RR for RR. I prefer some trade like this:

Rudy Gay
#2 pick
milicic

for

Ray Allen

I don't know if this works...but i like it more.

By the way, i'm absolutly agree with RELOAD when you can. i love the Big 3, but they'll not play forever...

[LarBrd33]

that video does nothing for me.  I'm still not impressed with him.

Like I said, he is nowhere near as good as Rudy Fernandez and I'd take Rondo over Rudy Fernandez.

[wiley]

Can't believe the undervaluing of Rondo in some posts.  In his third year he was better than his second year, which was the year he led us to a championship.  So it's correct that the only reason you would trade him is if there are non-basketball issues or someone overwhelmed the Celtics with an offer.

I do love discussing trade ideas though.  Here's one I posted a couple of weeks or so ago:
(I was surprised the idea got no support from those who aren't high on Rondo)
another kooky Ray Allen trade
« on: May 29, 2009, 11:28:25 am »


Trade ID #5091021

-Clippers get Mike Conley, Rudy Gay, Scal and 25th pick (Darren Collison), and 35th pick (Danny Green)
-Grizzlies get Rondo, Ray Allen, Blake Griffin, Pruitt and Billy Walker
-Celtics get Baron Davis, O.J. Mayo, 2cnd pick (Rubio), and Milicic

Imo Memphis can't turn this down
Clippers would have to be insane enough
Celts might have to consider if Rondo's got issues with team or coach.

Celtics Roster

Baron Davis, Rubio, House
O.J. Mayo, House, Giddens
Pierce, Kleiza, Mayo, Giddens
Garnett, McDyess, Big Baby, Kleiza, Powe
Perk, Milicic

[The Walker Wiggle]

What would Houston's offer look like? Anyone else more confused over that?

Aaron Brooks and Luis Scola? Scola (a player I love) would represent a major upgrade at the Grizzlies' position of need. But he's 29, going on 30, and Memphis is still several seasons away from post-season relevance (possibly more with Wallace at the helm).

And while Brooks is a dynamo, who can get into the lane and heat up behind the arc, and a strong defender for an under 6'0" guard, he hasn't (yet?) shown a top tier point guard's court awareness and decision making. So that consequently, it's impossible to say he's clearly ahead of Conley and Rubio.

[wdleehi]

If the Celtics do a move like this giving up Rondo and/or Ray for a 18 year old PG, they might as well trade Pierce and KG and start over. 

[Who]

What would Houston's offer look like? Anyone else more confused over that?

It's a nonsense rumour -- that's what I read into it.

[winsomme]

I  think everyone is seriously overrating Rondo after the Bulls playoff series.  Let's keep in mind that our star point guard shot 37% with over 3 turnovers a game in the Orlando series.  And his defense is severely overrated.  His "let an inferior player blow by me and try to poke the ball away from behind" strategy is horrid.  He also shot that 37% when Orlando's strategy was to leave him and Davis open as much as possible to send doubles at Paul and Ray.  So not only is he shooting very poorly, but he is hindering Paul and Ray with his inability to shoot.  Do we beat Orlando if our point guard shoots 40 instead of 37?  Doesn't that give us a few extra points in a close 7 game series?  

  The whole team (aside from maybe Perk) was up and down against Orlando. The Bulls series wore them down. Using only the Orlando series to rate him is no different from using ony the Bulls series to rate him. And his defense isn't bad. He gets beat off the dribble a few times a game, but what pg doesn't? Did you notice how often Rondo easily got past opposing pgs in the playoffs?

  Since you're so hot to replace Rondo with Rubio, answer me this: what's Rubio's fg% going to be next year? How many points a game will he score? How many assists and rebounds will he get? How much better will his defense be than Rondo's? Are you willing to bet our shot at another title in the next two years that he'll be as good as Rondo in that time frame?

I honestly have no idea how good Rubio would be next year. It would be gamble for sure.

But I'm sure if this even was a possibility, Danny must have done extensive scouting on him.

Overall, my personal feeling is let's shore up the bench and let this starting five have another go at it.

but leaving that aside for a sec, there are other reasons to look at this. If they feel like Rondo is going to ask for more than they are willing to offer in an extension, Rubio is a pretty cost effective solution in that he would be tied up for 5 years at pretty reasonable money.

from MEMs perspective, this has to be about feeling like Rubio might not come to play for them. It's pretty clear that he is the value pick at #2.

MEM also doesn't really need a PG, so Rondo doesn't totally make sense. So like some pointed out earlier, we'd probably need a third team and one looking for an established PG and willing to give up a PF (because that's what MEM needs).

I'm not sure I see that out there. For one, good young PFs are few and far between....

someone mentioned Beasley, but he's not really a PF.

[BCelts]

Maybe Danny wants Thabeet or Harden?

Or perhaps the Rubio pick is bait for a Chris Paul trade?  (yes, fantasy, I'm sure, but...)

[johnnyrondo]

that video does nothing for me.  I'm still not impressed with him.

Like I said, he is nowhere near as good as Rudy Fernandez and I'd take Rondo over Rudy Fernandez.

I don't know. At first when I started watching that video I was like blah. He looks like an unproven less athletic Rondo. But then as it went on, especially the 2nd half, I was thoroughly impressed. For an 18 yr old to be able to see and do the things he does. He looks special. Like the kind of player that would have players wanting to be a Celtic for the next 15 yrs. Looked good in Celtic green too.

[johnnyrondo]

Also I have to think that if Rubio as an 18 yr old was the point guard for Spain in the Olympics, the team that almost beat the Redeem Team in the Finals, that a yr later, it wouldn't be much different then handing the keys to Rondo in yr 2.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Someone mentioned Beasley, but he's not really a PF.

If I were Miami I would get on the horn immediately with an offer of Beasley for the #2 and a separate sign and trade for Warrick.