Realistic Ray Allen Trades, which one do you like?

[rondohondo]

1)Pheonix

Pheonix sends - Jason Richardson + Barbosa

 Boston sends - Ray + TA or Giddens

Why for Pheonix- they are able to dump salary and free up another 20 mil on the cap for the Big 2010-2011 free agents. They would be well under the cap and able to make a run at Lebron or Wade to team up with Amare Stoudamire

Pheonix 2010 -11  Payroll would be about $25 Mil = 33 mil under the salary cap

Why for Boston- Jason Richardson is a nice 3rd option to have on your team. He is 5 years younger than Ray so we would have Ray's replacement already lined up for the next 5 years. He is a career 18 PPG scorer and is coming off a season where he shot 40% from 3 pt land. He also has the ability to be a very good- great defender with his athleticism. Boston would also be getting a very good scorer off the bench in Barbosa


2) New Orleans

New Orleans send - Tyson Chandler, Antonio Daniels and Posey -

Boston sends        - Ray Allen, BBD (S+T 4 yr 20 mil) Pruitt

Why for New Orleans - New Orleans is desperate to cut payroll. They even tried to trade chandler last year for not too much in return. Just Wilcox and Jow Smith. I would say that BBD is pretty close to Wilcox talent wise and he is also a hometown boy from Louisiana where he led LSU to the final 4. They would also be getting about 20 mil in cap room after next season which would make them be able to be players in the 2010-2010 Free Agency

New Orleans 2010 -11  Payroll would be about $46 Mil = 12 mil under the salary cap

Why for Boston - While this trade probably hurts Boston's Offense, it greatly improves the Defense. Posey is still a great 6th man coming off the bench, Antonio Daniels is a solid backup PG, but the reason I love this trade is because we are getting a dominant Defensive Big Man in return. I know he has had a few little injury problems the last few years , but they were nothing serious so I wouldn't be concerned with his health. He is easily a top 5 Defensive Big man, great shot blocker and finishes strong at the rim.



3) Dallas

Dallas sends - Josh Howard + Eric Dampier

Bos sends   -  Ray Allen + Scal, maybe a pick or prospect


Why for Dallas = Like the other teams its all about the money. This would save them 22 mil off the cap for the 2010-2011 free agents. They would be able to load up with talent as they would be about 17 or 18 mil under the salary cap to try and buil around Nowitzki 1 more time .

Dallas 2010 -11  Payroll would be about $42 Mil = 16 mil under the salary cap

Why for Boston - Howard is a very good defender and scorer and would be a huge benefit to Paul Pierce by cutting down on his minutes because Howard plays SF. He would be a great 6th man coming in for PP. We obvioulsy would have to find a solid stating SG who can play D and Kncok down some open shots. We would also be getting Dampier who is a legit backup Center. I know he makes 10 mil but his deal is only 1 year longer than Rays so it wouldn't be a long term contract we were getting back.



4) Golden State

Golden State sends - Jamal Crawford + Corey Magette or Stephen Jackson   

Boston sends  -  Ray Allen (18 mil expiring) TA or Scal( 3 mil expiring)


Why for Golden State = They clearly aren't going to be contending for a championship anytime soon with their curret roster so why not try to free up Cap Space to try and land a big fish. This deal would put them about 15 mil under the Cap for the 2010-2011 free agents. With that money they could sign Chris Bosh and team him up with Monta Ellis, Biedrins and probably Magette to make them a fun team that has a chance to grow into contenders.


Golden State  2010 -11  Payroll would be about $43 Mil = 15 mil under the salary cap

Why for Boston = Jackson and Magette are very similar and both can play both SG and SF which could help PP out. I would perfer Magette , but Golden State is more likely to deal Jackson who is 3 years younger than Ray Allen. Jacksonn is a good shooter and can defend. He already won a ring with the spurs and played big in the finals so you know he wont affraid to take big shot . We would also be getting a useful scorer off the bench in Jamal Crawford for certain situations.


5) Milwaukee

Milwaukee sends- Michael Redd + Gadzuric

Boston sends     -  Ray , Scal, Giddens or Walker


Why for Milwaukee - They aren't near winning a championship either. They would be getting Ray Allen back( he started his career there) in a contract year and like everyone else they would be cutting 20 mil off their cap for the 2010-2011 Free Agents. They would also be getting a young swing man in either Giddens or Walker who have some decent potential to turn into good pros.

Milwaukee 2010- 11  Payroll would be about $40 Mil = 18 mil under the salary cap


Why for Boston    - This would be a dream scenario for boston because they would basically being getting Ray Allen, but 4 years younger. Thats how good of a shooter Michael Redd is. If Danny could ever pull this one off , he would be the best GM of all time !



6) Charlotte

Charlotte sends - Raja Bell, DeSagana Diop + Boris Diaw

Boston sends   -  Ray Allen, Scal and Pruitt


Why for charlotte - The players they are sending away in this trade are great role players on championship teams, but Charlotte is obviously not a conteder, so why not try and free up some cap space so they can be a contender some day. This is a trade where they a getting a big time star to join the franchise in Ray Allen, charlotte has never had a star as big as Ray on their team and you know how Larry Brown Loves vets.


Charlotee  2010 -11  Payroll would be about $34 Mil = 24mil under the salary cap

With that kind of cap room they could add 1 or maybe to impact players to a core of Okafor, Wallace, Augustine and Felton. Thats a pretty good young tream with cap space.

Why for Boston - While Boston is clearly sending away the best player in the deal, they might be able to fill more holes in the roster this way. They are getting a legit hard nosed starting SG, who is a ver good outside shooter in Raja Bell. They are also getting a very versatile Big man off the bench in Diaw who is a very good scorer and passer. They would also be getting Diop who can be that legit backup center we are looking for

[greenwise]

TP for the great post

I chose the New Orleans idea. We fill our 3 needs. Chandler would be huge off the bench, and Pose would give an identity to our bench. Daniels can be the backup 1 and also provide some scoring. I wish we did this one

[thebirdman]

I think all the trades are bad for us. Some of them are even horrible...

Ray Allen`s expiring contract is worth much, much more.

What people don`t realize is that in the NBA more trades are made for financial purposes than talent...IMO, if we are patient with trading Ray, we can end up with a superstar player and not just with an overpaid great starter or two...

[Brickowski]

I like #6 and proposed it earlier. 

If Ray goes to new orleans, the player I want is David West, not that other crap.

[CoachBo]

I'd rather see if Shinn would bite on Ray and Rondo for CP3 and West - filler and cash available to make it work.

[KungPoweChicken]

Honestly, I don't like any of those trades. None of the players we get back make us a stronger team for next season. For example, Ray is still a better player than Howard--who is injury prone, Richardson--who is declining rapidly, Jackson--who is a solid player but is already 31 years old, Crawford--who just isn't a third man on a championship team, and Redd--who should not be considered a replacement option, since he can't stay healthy. I forgot he even played anymore. Yes, it's been that long since I've seen the dude healthy. If it's all about winning right now, which I believe it is, then we have to keep Ray because he gives us the best chance. People look at Ray's age and automatically assume that some younger guy is going to be better. I'll take Ray for the next two years over the guys mentioned above. If Ray played in Golden State, he probably would have averaged nearly 28 points a game this season, yet people are so quick to throw him away for Stephen Jackson? It makes me sick to my stomach.

[Brickowski]

I think the Charlotte trade makes us stronger.  You get a reasonable replacement for Ray (Raja Bell), a good yound backup center (Diop) and the long three that Rivers craves (Diaw).  Diaw can defend three positions and has an excellent floor game.  The only thing he lacks is 3pt range.  He's a guy you could sub in for either Garnett or Pierce and feel confident that he could do the job. 

[greenhead85]

I'd take Redd + Gadzuric in a heartbeat.

Still I would love to get TMac for Ray staight up. But the option above is a very good one.

[Who]

There's three trades there I'd be interested in -- the Phoenix one, the Dallas one, and to a lesser extent the Hornets on.

Nice work on the trades.

[Chris]

Unfortunately, I do not think these trades are in fact realistic. 

The only one that I think the C's would really consider strongly would be the Dallas one...but I don't think Dallas would do it.  That is because Dampier's deal is actually expiring, as long as he does not play something like 2200 minutes (which is very unlikely), and they have stated that they will be buyers, not sellers in this market, trying to turn Dampier into another quality player or two, to try to go for a title before Dirk gets too old.

The rest of them probably wouldn't work for the C's.  While I think the C's are willing to spend some money, I believe they are counting on some luxury tax relief next year from Ray's salary spot (especially if they have any interest in resigning Rondo).  So I think they would have to be getting an absolute star back in any deal, if they are not going to be able to get at least half of Ray's salary off the books.

This is why I think it is going to be very hard to deal Ray this year, and also why I think if they do, it will be a larger deal involving Rondo as well, where they get a young star in return, who they feel will be better suited to build around as the big 3 move on and age.

Really though, I think Ray will be back next year, not because they are completely set against trading him, but because there just aren't the packages that make sense both basketball-wise and financially.

[Fafnir]

I'd take Redd + Gadzuric in a heartbeat.

Still I would love to get TMac for Ray staight up. But the option above is a very good one.

That's one of the worst in my opinion. Gadruzic is overpaid and Redd is over rated and coming off knee surgery. Plus offensively his style is too similar to Pierce, he needs the ball in his hands to dribble around. Ray fits so well because he can spot up shoot off screens.

[Fafnir]

I think the Charlotte trade makes us stronger.  You get a reasonable replacement for Ray (Raja Bell), a good yound backup center (Diop) and the long three that Rivers craves (Diaw).  Diaw can defend three positions and has an excellent floor game.  The only thing he lacks is 3pt range.  He's a guy you could sub in for either Garnett or Pierce and feel confident that he could do the job. 

I like that deal except I'm not a fan of Diop's. Especially with how large and long his contract is.

[Chris]

OK, how about this:

Ray and Tony for Richard Jefferson and Luke Ridnour.

This gives the C's a replacement for Ray, who just has 1 more year on his contract after Ray's, and it also gives them a very good backup PG (even if he is a bad defender), who has an expiring contract. 

It allows them to still save a few million next year, and clear the money off the cap the year after, if they resign Rondo, and it gives the C's a defensive upgrade on the wing next year, while not losing a ton offensively, and fills another hole.

It's not ideal, but is probably closer to the type of deal the C's would look at for Allen.

[SoulHonky]

I threw together a few options on my blog but I think the problem is always that they they are lateral moves for next year and then add money to the 2010 payroll that might make it harder to bring in quality free agents this year. And I'd rather just keep Ray than have to deal with Redd and Gadzuric's contracts/injury woes or some of the other guys.

And any Charlotte deal is going to involve Peja and/or Chandler. They aren't giving up CP3 without dumping one of their biggest contracts (and even then I doubt they do it).


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[SoulHonky]

OK, how about this:

Ray and Tony for Richard Jefferson and Luke Ridnour.

This gives the C's a replacement for Ray, who just has 1 more year on his contract after Ray's, and it also gives them a very good backup PG (even if he is a bad defender), who has an expiring contract. 

It allows them to still save a few million next year, and clear the money off the cap the year after, if they resign Rondo, and it gives the C's a defensive upgrade on the wing next year, while not losing a ton offensively, and fills another hole.

I'm not sure it does save the Celtics money this year. I think it adds a million. And even if it did save money, that's why the Bucks would reject it; they are looking to cut cap immediately so they can re-sign Ramon Sessions.

I think Ray and a cheap PG makes more sense than Jefferson (whose really been slacking on defense of late) and Luke. Stick with the player you know AND have a better cap situation for 2010.