Boston - Toronto trade idea

[RebusRankin]

I'd pass on the trade. Calderon is a very good passer and a good outside shooter but is inconsistent on offense. His defense is horrendous.

Bosh is talented but soft. He usually fairs poorly against other top big men and is not a great defender.

[CoachBo]

I'm not seeing why you'd propose this.

Just seeing how overrated Rondo and Perk have become.

I love Perk, and Rondo is an excellent young player, but to me Chris Bosh is at a superstar level, and Calderon is an extremely efficient, pass-first point guard.  Ray is obviously much better than Graham, but you've got to make the salaries work somehow.  I think the gap between Bosh and every other player in this deal is substantial.

Also, it amazes me that many of the same people who want Rasheed Wallace as a backup center would turn their nose up at Bosh.  Bosh has played plenty of center in his career, and has played the position well.  We lose something defensively, but pick something up in terms of scoring and rebounding.

Just curious, Roy.  Would you immediately sign Bosh to an extension here or see how it pans out and possibly chase someone else in '10?

I think you pretty much have to sign him.  We won't do much better than 23/10 from a front court player. 

Again, I started this mostly to see how much people people overvalued Perk and Rondo, but I think I'd make this trade.  Certainly, it's nowhere near the lop-sided deal in Toronto's favor that some seem to be suggesting.

I think I'd make the deal also, Roy.

I like Perkins and where is game is at more right now than I like Rondo, but I don't consider either of them untouchable.

Gotta say, though, that if I'm willing to turn this team over enough to move Rondo and Ray, I'm on the phone to George Shinn to see how much money he actually needs.

[Brickowski]

I'd pass on the trade. Calderon is a very good passer and a good outside shooter but is inconsistent on offense. His defense is horrendous.

Bosh is talented but soft. He usually fairs poorly against other top big men and is not a great defender.

Agree.  The Celtics can do better. The Celtics live or die at the defensive end.  If they trade Ray, it should be for defense, not offense.

Bosh is the same player as KG, just not as skilled or as intense. I see a starting frontcourt of KG and Bosh as sorely lacking in offense in the paint.

[KungPoweChicken]

Why would we want to downgrade at shooting guard, center, and point guard for a power forward who's not as good as KG?

[wdleehi]

I just am not a fan of the fit of Bosh and KG down low. 

I look at this the same as the Amare trade, the Celtics win the talent level in the trade, but put themselves behind in winning another title. 

[Who]

I thought Chris Bosh did a good job defending Dwight Howard in the post in the playoffs last season (07-08). Perk did a much better job, obviously, but Bosh did better than most opposing centers do.

Most of Howard's points in that series came off dribble penetration. A lot of drive and dumps, alley oops, and a large number of offensive rebounds.

Bosh was fine when he was allowed to defend Howard one-on-one, and got torn apart when he had to try and help his teammates who were being cut apart on dribble penetration.

[Who]

I like this trade better without Rondo and Calderon but I think I'd still pass on it. I'm not convinced Bosh makes it easier to be win a title now, or to retool in the near future.

With him and Rondo on the books, you're talking about $30-35 million tied up with two players, and the team would still be in desperate need for some scorers. I'm uncomfortable with that -- you'd be betting an awful lot on trading Pierce's (which I don't like) and KG's expiring contracts for immediate help.

[MrTripleDouble10]

I wouldn't trade Perk straight up for Bosh . . .

That seems to be the consensus, and all I can say is, a lot of people are missing the boat on how good Bosh is.

Roy,

You don't need to tell me how good Bosh is as I'm a Raptors season ticket holder (I live in Toronto).

I'm telling you Bosh is soft like frozen yogurt. Yes he can score, but the way he scores kills me as he's transformed into a jump-shooter. Don't get me wrong, his stroke is smooth, but without a legit big man 5 his team never secures a rebound. As the Magic are proving, jump shooting can only take you so far.

He's a TERRIBLE defender. Just terrible.

He's also a relatively terrible passer, especially out of the double-team.

His best quality could be his FT%.

I'm happy to see that someone else here has some sanity.  Although it's a little disturbing that it takes a Raptors season ticket holder to remind everyone here how bosh is just an overrated jump-shooting big man that plays ZERO defense.  He's soft as grapes too.

I'm still trying to figure out why everyone wants to come up with so many trades that include our starters,  Makes no sense.

[Moranis]

I'd do this trade and would be laughing all the way to the bank. You don't pass on 23/20 big men that are 25 years old, pretty much ever.  Steal for Boston.

[wiley]

I just am not a fan of the fit of Bosh and KG down low. 

I look at this the same as the Amare trade, the Celtics win the talent level in the trade, but put themselves behind in winning another title. 

Agree.

[Moranis]

I just am not a fan of the fit of Bosh and KG down low. 

I look at this the same as the Amare trade, the Celtics win the talent level in the trade, but put themselves behind in winning another title. 

Agree.

and when KG is a shell of his former self in two years, who is going to be the dominant interior player to lead this team to the next title.

[wiley]

I just am not a fan of the fit of Bosh and KG down low. 

I look at this the same as the Amare trade, the Celtics win the talent level in the trade, but put themselves behind in winning another title. 

Agree.

and when KG is a shell of his former self in two years, who is going to be the dominant interior player to lead this team to the next title.

Al Jefferson somehow.  And who's going to be the PG?

[wiley]

I just am not a fan of the fit of Bosh and KG down low. 

I look at this the same as the Amare trade, the Celtics win the talent level in the trade, but put themselves behind in winning another title. 

Agree.

and when KG is a shell of his former self in two years, who is going to be the dominant interior player to lead this team to the next title.

Al Jefferson somehow.  And who's going to be the PG?

And the center?

[wdleehi]

I just am not a fan of the fit of Bosh and KG down low. 

I look at this the same as the Amare trade, the Celtics win the talent level in the trade, but put themselves behind in winning another title. 

Agree.

and when KG is a shell of his former self in two years, who is going to be the dominant interior player to lead this team to the next title.

I think the team needs to worry more about winning the title next season, not three years from now. 

And I think there are better moves to get the team to the title next season vs. this. 


Now if the Celtics were looking to move KG as well, then this trade makes more sense.