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Any chance the C's try to regain Posey?
« on: June 03, 2009, 10:56:41 PM »

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The more I look around at FA options and luxury tax teams who might be willing to take our talent-poor, savings-rich melange of expiring contracts, the more I think that James Posey should be our #1 target. 

Given the Hornets willingness to trade Chandler for expiring contracts last year, and the improbability of any other team making a similar offer after Chandler underperformed all year and had the earlier trade rescinded due to health concerns, I'd consider them the easiest mark for a lopsided trade.  If they truly are desperate for tax relief, other than the almost certainly untouchable Chris Paul and the probably-not-up-for-grabs David West, James Posey is probably on the market for expirings, along with Peja, Tyson and MoPete.  Given the stankiness of those latter 3 contracts, that really leaves James Posey as the most likely guy to be traded.

That leaves me with two burning questions:
1.  Would Scalabrine, Giddens and Pruitt (insert TA for Giddens and Pruitt, if desired), representing about $5.2 mil in salaries, and cash considerations (presumably to cut one or more players, or just to fill the coffers) be enough to entice New Orleans?
2.  Would Ainge be willing to trade for a player he passed on last offseason?

As for 1, I really don't know.  On the one hand they could easily get better talent for a guy like Pose, but talent + expiring contract requirements make it very difficult to find a good trading partner. 

As for 2, I'm inclined to say yes.  Ainge would be eating the year he didn't want previously, but subtracting Scal's salary would cut the sting in half.  As for losing face, I think his willingness to re-acquire Antoine, a guy who roasted him in the media after his first trade, attests to Ainge's willingness to undo previous moves.

What are your answers?

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Re: Any chance the C's try to regain Posey?
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2009, 10:58:53 PM »

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Not likely.  I imagine the Celtics still do not like the length.

Re: Any chance the C's try to regain Posey?
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2009, 11:31:18 PM »

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Considering how his play dropped off towards the end of the season, and that he still has a contract running into years at dollars they didn't like last year, I say no too.

Re: Any chance the C's try to regain Posey?
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2009, 11:45:54 PM »

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NO...and just maybe our big three make everyone else look better.  but posey is getting to old to do all the dirty work he did with us and miami
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Re: Any chance the C's try to regain Posey?
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2009, 12:02:14 AM »

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Re: Any chance the C's try to regain Posey?
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2009, 01:59:03 AM »

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Re: Any chance the C's try to regain Posey?
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2009, 03:17:23 AM »

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Us getting Posey is the same as us signing him last off-season, they view NOT signing Posey as the correct choice and so do i. He's too old for a team like us who's role players should consist of young future talent, and deals at the veteran minimum.

Re: Any chance the C's try to regain Posey?
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2009, 07:45:24 AM »

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His play dropped off because he played with a knee injury.

http://blog.nola.com/hornetsbeat/2009/05/new_orleans_hornets_forward_ja_2.html

The Celtics will not contend for the title next year unless management provides Pierce with a competent, versatile backup - which they had in the championship season. I think we've seen quite clearly what happens to the club's chances when you refuse to build a quality bench, and instead opt for young suspects and vet minimum deals.

There are other options than Posey - Nocioni, for one. Doesn't really matter to me, as long as they don't repeat the stupidity of trying to turn Tony Allen into a competent NBA player. Never going to happen.
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Re: Any chance the C's try to regain Posey?
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2009, 08:25:13 AM »

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I think so. He didn't gel in New Orleans and they have had second thoughts.

They've backed off the throttle...instead of going for it now (and thus needing a guy like Pose) they want to get younger guys to have a team gel around Chris Paul over the next few years.

We might be able to get him for not much at all, Tony Allen and cash (they need it) or Pruitt or Giddens, or maybe just a second rounder..

Heck, add in Leon and the max ~3 million cash and we might be able to seriously figure out a workable deal to get Posey and Tyson Chandler. Not that we'd definitely want Chandler but it's something worth really thinking through.

He's too old for a team like us who's role players should consist of young future talent, and deals at the veteran minimum.

With Posey we'd be playing the finals today.

Pose would have saved a lot of wear and tear on Pierce, and guarded Salmons, Lewis, and Pietrus well enough.

Re: Any chance the C's try to regain Posey?
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2009, 08:30:40 AM »

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I think so. He didn't gel in New Orleans and they have had second thoughts.

They've backed off the throttle...instead of going for it now (and thus needing a guy like Pose) they want to get younger guys to have a team gel around Chris Paul over the next few years.

We might be able to get him for not much at all, Tony Allen and cash (they need it) or Pruitt or Giddens, or maybe just a second rounder..

Heck, add in Leon and the max ~3 million cash and we might be able to seriously figure out a workable deal to get Posey and Tyson Chandler. Not that we'd definitely want Chandler but it's something worth really thinking through.

He's too old for a team like us who's role players should consist of young future talent, and deals at the veteran minimum.

With Posey we'd be playing the finals today.

Pose would have saved a lot of wear and tear on Pierce, and guarded Salmons, Lewis, and Pietrus well enough.

It's always pretty speculative, I think, to project one player onto a team that lost in the semis and put them in the finals. We had some other issues that beat us against Orlando besides the fact we willingly ran the Captain into the ground - terrible perimeter defense, focus, lack of effort by some, zero depth inside, etc.

But ... there's not a lot of question in my mind that we give Cleveland a run without the idiotic decision to just go without a competent backup at the 3.
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Re: Any chance the C's try to regain Posey?
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2009, 08:35:06 AM »

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I think so. He didn't gel in New Orleans and they have had second thoughts.

They've backed off the throttle...instead of going for it now (and thus needing a guy like Pose) they want to get younger guys to have a team gel around Chris Paul over the next few years.

We might be able to get him for not much at all, Tony Allen and cash (they need it) or Pruitt or Giddens, or maybe just a second rounder..

Heck, add in Leon and the max ~3 million cash and we might be able to seriously figure out a workable deal to get Posey and Tyson Chandler. Not that we'd definitely want Chandler but it's something worth really thinking through.

He's too old for a team like us who's role players should consist of young future talent, and deals at the veteran minimum.

With Posey we'd be playing the finals today.

Pose would have saved a lot of wear and tear on Pierce, and guarded Salmons, Lewis, and Pietrus well enough.

Unless posey has some miracle talent to heal nagging knee injuries, then no, we aren't playing in the finals.

That said, i think the season proved that not getting a competent 3 to fill the void or trusting bill walker to do it wore both ray and paul out as they split the SF minutes.
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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2009, 08:39:05 AM »

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Unless posey has some miracle talent to heal nagging knee injuries, then no, we aren't playing in the finals.

That said, i think the season proved that not getting a competent 3 to fill the void or trusting bill walker to do it wore both ray and paul out as they split the SF minutes.

Parallel worlds don't work like that. 8)

The same injuries do not necessarily happen. It's entirely possible with Posey here that even Kevin wouldn't have been injured.

I like Nocioni as a shooter but he's not the same type of of 3/4 defender, which is the most important thing we were missing.

Re: Any chance the C's try to regain Posey?
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2009, 08:39:24 AM »

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Well, Bill Walker was a very immature kid, both personally and in his performance, at Kansas State. He's a couple of years away, at best, from contributing to a winner.

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Re: Any chance the C's try to regain Posey?
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Unless posey has some miracle talent to heal nagging knee injuries, then no, we aren't playing in the finals.

That said, i think the season proved that not getting a competent 3 to fill the void or trusting bill walker to do it wore both ray and paul out as they split the SF minutes.

Parallel worlds don't work like that. 8)

The same injuries do not necessarily happen. It's entirely possible with Posey here that even Kevin wouldn't have been injured.



that's amazing speculation on your part, and has little to do with reality, since posey rarely played the 4 unless we were going small, and when we went small, KG typicaly slides to the 5.

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Unless posey has some miracle talent to heal nagging knee injuries, then no, we aren't playing in the finals.

That said, i think the season proved that not getting a competent 3 to fill the void or trusting bill walker to do it wore both ray and paul out as they split the SF minutes.

Parallel worlds don't work like that. 8)

The same injuries do not necessarily happen. It's entirely possible with Posey here that even Kevin wouldn't have been injured.

I like Nocioni as a shooter but he's not the same type of of 3/4 defender, which is the most important thing we were missing.

Nocioni's never been asked to defend the way we would. And he's got the skillset to do it. He would be an excellent addition, in exchange for a bag of Danny's trash.
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