Free Gabe. Again.

[TheRev72]

As my minded drifted back to ponder the playoffs, I wondered - with Marbury playing so poorly, generally, why did he continue to get minutes?  If one of our young'uns (Pruitt, Giddens, Walker) had played like Marbury played, wouldn't Doc have benched them immediately?

Then I thought back a little farther, to the earlier part of the season, where Pruitt was getting minutes behind Rondo.  From what I remember, he was doing fairl well.  His defense was solid, and he certainly had a consistent jump shot from deep (something Marbury never brought to the table for the team).

So.  I say again.  Free Gabe.  The team should just commit to making him the backup point next year.  He'll be cheap.  He can't be worse than Marbury.  A backcourt of Pruitt and House should be able to fill in the 10-15 minutes a game needed behind Rondo and R. Allen.

Oh, and how about freeing Billy Walker next year as well?  Unless a veteran back up wing defender becomes available, and the team is actually willing to go out and spend the money to get such a person (doubtful?), shouldn't we give him some run behind Pierce?  While he certainly showed some general rookie cluelessness, he also showed greath athleticism and a competitive spirit that the team definitely needs at that position. 

So, what I'm saying is, maybe the answers to some of our bench problems are... sitting on our bench.

[crownsy]

As my minded drifted back to ponder the playoffs, I wondered - with Marbury playing so poorly, generally, why did he continue to get minutes?  If one of our young'uns (Pruitt, Giddens, Walker) had played like Marbury played, wouldn't Doc have benched them immediately?

Then I thought back a little farther, to the earlier part of the season, where Pruitt was getting minutes behind Rondo.  From what I remember, he was doing fairl well.  His defense was solid, and he certainly had a consistent jump shot from deep (something Marbury never brought to the table for the team).

So.  I say again.  Free Gabe.  The team should just commit to making him the backup point next year.  He'll be cheap.  He can't be worse than Marbury.  A backcourt of Pruitt and House should be able to fill in the 10-15 minutes a game needed behind Rondo and R. Allen.

Oh, and how about freeing Billy Walker next year as well?  Unless a veteran back up wing defender becomes available, and the team is actually willing to go out and spend the money to get such a person (doubtful?), shouldn't we give him some run behind Pierce?  While he certainly showed some general rookie cluelessness, he also showed greath athleticism and a competitive spirit that the team definitely needs at that position. 

So, what I'm saying is, maybe the answers to some of our bench problems are... sitting on our bench.

actually, he won't be that cheap, since they will have to pick up his option. Gabe hasn't shown anything for two years, Im quite ready to see him free....to the FA market by declining his (1.7? 1.8?) option.

[amenhotep04]

Strangely enough, since winning the championship, most of the posters seem to think that Doc's evaluation of bench players is objective.  If a player was good, he'd see time on the floor.  Therefore, if players aren't seeing time on the floor, they must not be good enough. If that player does have a bad two or three minutes on the court, then that becomes proof of the assumption.

So many posters blame Danny for not drafting Chalmers or whomever.  What they fail to understand is that Doc would not have played Chalmers or anyone else.  And if he did, they would struggle due to lack of playing time, confidence, and familiarity with the players on the court.  Chalmers was a turnover waiting to happen at the beginning of the season.  Doc would not have allowed that to continue.

So Gabe rots on the bench. I agree he should be given a full season to play.  I don't believe Doc utilized his bench to its full potential.  The result was a worn out team by the playoffs. Yet, most posters are blaming Danny for having a bad bench and not pointing the finger at Doc for not integrating these guys.

If Gabe is around in the Fall, I hope he plays.  If Doc sits him for another year, then I hope the Cs let him go and give him a chance to play somewhere.

[ScoobyDoo]

I like Gabe just for his defense alone. he played some very good Defense against some of the bigger points in the league this year, notably Deron Williams.

I think based on his personality, the best way to maximize Gabe's production is to get him into a set rotation and let him keep working in that rotation as he goes through his bumps and bruises with the mistakes he makes. I think if you keep yanking him if he makes a single mistake, he's the type of guy that spirals downward mentally.

It depends on how you see him as far as potential goes I guess. I see him easily filling that back up point role with some great D, decent passing and good shotting on spot ups.

But I'd definately take the attitude with him " Gabe, you're getting such and such minutes at the point this year, I'm going to let you play through the mistakes, just keep working and don't worry about the mistakes, it's part of the growing process. Just let it rip out there."

Gabe appears to me to be the type of personality you need to prod along. And I think that's what coaching ro management is about, learning how to motivate and get the best out of each player based on their personality.

Guys like KG, Walker or Rondo you can probably kick their butt all day and they'll brush it off. If you're too "gentle" with them they probably won't respect you. Guys like Gabe or Ray, with mellower personalities, you probably need to do less screaming and more prodding and back patting to get the most out of them.

All that being said, I go with Gabe BUT, I either also go with House as 3rd string, or I sing another true Point, A Vet min contract.

I do the same at small forward. I really like Walker here. But based on his youth and knees, I play him from day one and let him grow but I try to bring in a Vet min guy who can step in if necessary.     

[Chris]

Free Gabe (as in let him walk), and buy a pick to draft Ty Lawson. 

[acieEarl]

Strangely enough, since winning the championship, most of the posters seem to think that Doc's evaluation of bench players is objective.  If a player was good, he'd see time on the floor.  Therefore, if players aren't seeing time on the floor, they must not be good enough. If that player does have a bad two or three minutes on the court, then that becomes proof of the assumption.

So many posters blame Danny for not drafting Chalmers or whomever.  What they fail to understand is that Doc would not have played Chalmers or anyone else.  And if he did, they would struggle due to lack of playing time, confidence, and familiarity with the players on the court.  Chalmers was a turnover waiting to happen at the beginning of the season.  Doc would not have allowed that to continue.

So Gabe rots on the bench. I agree he should be given a full season to play.  I don't believe Doc utilized his bench to its full potential.  The result was a worn out team by the playoffs. Yet, most posters are blaming Danny for having a bad bench and not pointing the finger at Doc for not integrating these guys.

If Gabe is around in the Fall, I hope he plays.  If Doc sits him for another year, then I hope the Cs let him go and give him a chance to play somewhere.

Hard to say if Chalmers would have or wouldn't have seen playing time. He definitely wouldn't have gotten the minutes he got in Miami. I do know this, BBaby got playing time in his rookie year and Powe in his second. Both were luck to make a team being 2nd round picks. My point is both of these guys proved their worth pretty quickly. Gabe's been here for 2 full years and BWalker has played more. So my guess is Doc isn't too high on Gabe.

I think it's time for Gabe to go.

[BballTim]

As my minded drifted back to ponder the playoffs, I wondered - with Marbury playing so poorly, generally, why did he continue to get minutes?  If one of our young'uns (Pruitt, Giddens, Walker) had played like Marbury played, wouldn't Doc have benched them immediately?

Then I thought back a little farther, to the earlier part of the season, where Pruitt was getting minutes behind Rondo.  From what I remember, he was doing fairl well.  His defense was solid, and he certainly had a consistent jump shot from deep (something Marbury never brought to the table for the team).

So.  I say again.  Free Gabe.  The team should just commit to making him the backup point next year.  He'll be cheap.  He can't be worse than Marbury.  A backcourt of Pruitt and House should be able to fill in the 10-15 minutes a game needed behind Rondo and R. Allen.

Oh, and how about freeing Billy Walker next year as well?  Unless a veteran back up wing defender becomes available, and the team is actually willing to go out and spend the money to get such a person (doubtful?), shouldn't we give him some run behind Pierce?  While he certainly showed some general rookie cluelessness, he also showed greath athleticism and a competitive spirit that the team definitely needs at that position. 

So, what I'm saying is, maybe the answers to some of our bench problems are... sitting on our bench.

actually, he won't be that cheap, since they will have to pick up his option. Gabe hasn't shown anything for two years, Im quite ready to see him free....to the FA market by declining his (1.7? 1.8?) option.

  His option is only $729k. I don't know if I'd be opposed to bringing him back if they were committed to dumping him if necessary like they did with Sam and POB.

[crownsy]

As my minded drifted back to ponder the playoffs, I wondered - with Marbury playing so poorly, generally, why did he continue to get minutes?  If one of our young'uns (Pruitt, Giddens, Walker) had played like Marbury played, wouldn't Doc have benched them immediately?

Then I thought back a little farther, to the earlier part of the season, where Pruitt was getting minutes behind Rondo.  From what I remember, he was doing fairl well.  His defense was solid, and he certainly had a consistent jump shot from deep (something Marbury never brought to the table for the team).

So.  I say again.  Free Gabe.  The team should just commit to making him the backup point next year.  He'll be cheap.  He can't be worse than Marbury.  A backcourt of Pruitt and House should be able to fill in the 10-15 minutes a game needed behind Rondo and R. Allen.

Oh, and how about freeing Billy Walker next year as well?  Unless a veteran back up wing defender becomes available, and the team is actually willing to go out and spend the money to get such a person (doubtful?), shouldn't we give him some run behind Pierce?  While he certainly showed some general rookie cluelessness, he also showed greath athleticism and a competitive spirit that the team definitely needs at that position. 

So, what I'm saying is, maybe the answers to some of our bench problems are... sitting on our bench.

actually, he won't be that cheap, since they will have to pick up his option. Gabe hasn't shown anything for two years, Im quite ready to see him free....to the FA market by declining his (1.7? 1.8?) option.

  His option is only $729k. I don't know if I'd be opposed to bringing him back if they were committed to dumping him if necessary like they did with Sam and POB.

so thats 1.4 total to the team, with tax.

[cordobes]

I don't care a lot about this issue. I'd try to make a move and sign a better player for his spot for the same price: either a project with more upside than him or a much better player. If he stays, I'm not opposed either.

[BballTim]

As my minded drifted back to ponder the playoffs, I wondered - with Marbury playing so poorly, generally, why did he continue to get minutes?  If one of our young'uns (Pruitt, Giddens, Walker) had played like Marbury played, wouldn't Doc have benched them immediately?

Then I thought back a little farther, to the earlier part of the season, where Pruitt was getting minutes behind Rondo.  From what I remember, he was doing fairl well.  His defense was solid, and he certainly had a consistent jump shot from deep (something Marbury never brought to the table for the team).

So.  I say again.  Free Gabe.  The team should just commit to making him the backup point next year.  He'll be cheap.  He can't be worse than Marbury.  A backcourt of Pruitt and House should be able to fill in the 10-15 minutes a game needed behind Rondo and R. Allen.

Oh, and how about freeing Billy Walker next year as well?  Unless a veteran back up wing defender becomes available, and the team is actually willing to go out and spend the money to get such a person (doubtful?), shouldn't we give him some run behind Pierce?  While he certainly showed some general rookie cluelessness, he also showed greath athleticism and a competitive spirit that the team definitely needs at that position. 

So, what I'm saying is, maybe the answers to some of our bench problems are... sitting on our bench.

actually, he won't be that cheap, since they will have to pick up his option. Gabe hasn't shown anything for two years, Im quite ready to see him free....to the FA market by declining his (1.7? 1.8?) option.

  His option is only $729k. I don't know if I'd be opposed to bringing him back if they were committed to dumping him if necessary like they did with Sam and POB.

so thats 1.4 total to the team, with tax.

   True, but if we don't sign him we'll probably sign someone else who won't make a ton less than Gabe.

[Brendan]

All I can say is ehhh. Gabe is completely underwhelming. The he just needs regular minutes argument has been used for lots of guys, like Tony Allen. The reality of the C's situation is they can't afford to commit regular minutes to anyone outside their top 6, and with House around, its unlikely the backup PG cracks that.

[the_Bird]

There were opportunities this year for Gabe to prove himself worthy of a rotation spot and he didn't deliver.  He's not the worst player to put on a Celtics uniform in recent years, but he's just not very good.  He LOOKS like he should be a good shooter, his form looks nice, but he's got to start hitting those shots once in a while.  He's not a playmaker, he doesn't make the other guys better.  He seems to have the tools to be a good defender, but he's not a lockdown guy, or even necessarily an above-average defender at this point.  I mean, when Doc subs Marbury in for Eddie House for defensive purposes instead of you, something's not right!

He strikes me as a decent bench player who could put up 8-10ppg playing for Sacramento, or some team like that.  FRINGE NBA player at best. 

I mean, he just doesn't do *anything* particularly well.  The epitome of medicority.

[wdleehi]

Free Gabe (as in let him walk), and buy a pick to draft Ty Lawson. 

Agree abouyt letting him walk.  He didn't do enough when he got his chance to play (yes, we have been spoiled by so many rookies Ainge has drafted earning a spot in the rotation when getting a chance to play)

[andrewf]

being a huge USC fan, i was excited to see the celtics draft him, but after watching him in college i thought he hit his peak then, and he has always been kind of an idiot as you could see with the DUI, so i say get rid of him

[footey]

Gabe blew it when he was given decent minutes and regressed. DUI also is a huge strike against him, IMO, although I believe in second chances.