Did Baby get 2 mil. cheaper?

[wiley]

I felt bad for Glen Davis last night because he had 3 layups not fall.  I felt bad because I like Davis and want him to succeed, surprise people, etc.  And I expect him to recover and those shots to drop next game, and I expect that he'll be fine in the long run.  Baby, you're going to have a great career!

BUT:  I couldn't help thinking that with N.B.A. GM's watching last night's game, those missed layups might have rendered Glen about 2 million dollars less expensive next season.  Missed layups make a big impression, especially when you're vertically challenged. 

[QuinielaBox]

It means we have a better chance of signing Davis and McDyess in the offseason. A blessing in disguise?

[Jon]

I felt bad for Glen Davis last night because he had 3 layups not fall.  I felt bad because I like Davis and want him to succeed, surprise people, etc.  And I expect him to recover and those shots to drop next game, and I expect that he'll be fine in the long run.  Baby, you're going to have a great career!

BUT:  I couldn't help thinking that with N.B.A. GM's watching last night's game, those missed layups might have rendered Glen about 2 million dollars less expensive next season.  Missed layups make a big impression, especially when you're vertically challenged. 

If a GM is smart, they won't spend huge money on Davis.  For as good as he's been at times, he's really not a starter on a contender unless the team is really, really good in other areas, and even then it's debatable since this team is really good at every other position and probably couldn't win a title with him starting at the 4.  For as talented as he can be, his inability to elevate combined with his lack of size is always going to make it tough for him to finish around the basket against teams with good interior defense. 

[Mr October]

I felt bad for Glen Davis last night because he had 3 layups not fall.  I felt bad because I like Davis and want him to succeed, surprise people, etc.  And I expect him to recover and those shots to drop next game, and I expect that he'll be fine in the long run.  Baby, you're going to have a great career!

BUT:  I couldn't help thinking that with N.B.A. GM's watching last night's game, those missed layups might have rendered Glen about 2 million dollars less expensive next season.  Missed layups make a big impression, especially when you're vertically challenged. 

If a GM is smart, they won't spend huge money on Davis.  For as good as he's been at times, he's really not a starter on a contender unless the team is really, really good in other areas, and even then it's debatable since this team is really good at every other position and probably couldn't win a title with him starting at the 4.  For as talented as he can be, his inability to elevate combined with his lack of size is always going to make it tough for him to finish around the basket against teams with good interior defense. 

Right. Davis has evolved into a very good role player. Not quite good enough to be a starter or 6th man. He's a very good 8th or 9th man. An excellent 2nd Big off the bench.

His value should be the same as it was a few days ago:

3 to 4 million per year tops.

[dark_lord]

I felt bad for Glen Davis last night because he had 3 layups not fall.  I felt bad because I like Davis and want him to succeed, surprise people, etc.  And I expect him to recover and those shots to drop next game, and I expect that he'll be fine in the long run.  Baby, you're going to have a great career!

BUT:  I couldn't help thinking that with N.B.A. GM's watching last night's game, those missed layups might have rendered Glen about 2 million dollars less expensive next season.  Missed layups make a big impression, especially when you're vertically challenged. 

a few missed layups in one game costs 2 mil??? LOL

cmon, the guy has stepped up immensely this season and has been extremely reliable filling in for kg. if anything, his jumpshot he developed will earn him millions.

overreaction thread!

[Toine43]

One thing general managers in all sports know better than the fans is that it's always about a player's body of work. If Paul Pierce misses a couple of key free throws and loses the Celtics a game, that does not make him a poor crunch time foul shooter. If Rondo makes a few poor decisions that lead to consecutive turnovers, that does not make him turnover prone.

You have to be reasonable about this. Think about it. Would a player missing a few uncontested layups actually cost him $2 million? Of course not. You know that's not how it works. A GM attempting to assign BBD a dollar value will analyze his strengths and weaknesses, his progression over the course of this season, and how well he fits the team's needs. A few missed layups are an extremely small part of that analysis.

[wiley]

I felt bad for Glen Davis last night because he had 3 layups not fall.  I felt bad because I like Davis and want him to succeed, surprise people, etc.  And I expect him to recover and those shots to drop next game, and I expect that he'll be fine in the long run.  Baby, you're going to have a great career!

BUT:  I couldn't help thinking that with N.B.A. GM's watching last night's game, those missed layups might have rendered Glen about 2 million dollars less expensive next season.  Missed layups make a big impression, especially when you're vertically challenged. 

a few missed layups in one game costs 2 mil??? LOL

cmon, the guy has stepped up immensely this season and has been extremely reliable filling in for kg. if anything, his jumpshot he developed will earn him millions.

overreaction thread!

Didn't mean to suggest that G.M.'s aren't capable of analyzing the entire package, and my post sort of made it sound like the season ended after that game.  But I think a 2 million swing over the course of these playoffs is not an unreasonable figure depending on his play, whether it goes upwards or downwards.  This is Glen's second year.  It's only been in the last couple of months that Glen has emerged.  It doesn't take long for a player who is height challenged to un-emerge....

Sorry for dramatic thread title.

[LarBrd33]

Obese is replaceable.  Nice little player.   Could be a good backup big man on a bad team or a 3rd string big man on a good team (his role for Boston).   

[BballTim]

  Davis missed a few of those shots because he doesn't get enough elevation on his jumps. He's played very well with Garnett out and he'd be great off the bench if KG were playing but he's got very little lift on plays like that.

[LarBrd33]

he's a poor rebounder, average shooter, pretty crappy interior game and mediocre defender.   He boxes out and sets picks well, because he's a wide-ass.   Who is going to pay him? 

[OriginalODb]

One thing general managers in all sports know better than the fans is that it's always about a player's body of work. If Paul Pierce misses a couple of key free throws and loses the Celtics a game, that does not make him a poor crunch time foul shooter. If Rondo makes a few poor decisions that lead to consecutive turnovers, that does not make him turnover prone.

You have to be reasonable about this. Think about it. Would a player missing a few uncontested layups actually cost him $2 million? Of course not. You know that's not how it works. A GM attempting to assign BBD a dollar value will analyze his strengths and weaknesses, his progression over the course of this season, and how well he fits the team's needs. A few missed layups are an extremely small part of that analysis.

Austin Croshere and Jerome James disagree. I agree with what you said except you need to put "good" in front of GM, then you are spot on. There are a ton of players who have been overpaid by teams because of a good playoff run or probably more frequently a good ncaa tournament run.

[LarBrd33]

One thing general managers in all sports know better than the fans is that it's always about a player's body of work. If Paul Pierce misses a couple of key free throws and loses the Celtics a game, that does not make him a poor crunch time foul shooter. If Rondo makes a few poor decisions that lead to consecutive turnovers, that does not make him turnover prone.

You have to be reasonable about this. Think about it. Would a player missing a few uncontested layups actually cost him $2 million? Of course not. You know that's not how it works. A GM attempting to assign BBD a dollar value will analyze his strengths and weaknesses, his progression over the course of this season, and how well he fits the team's needs. A few missed layups are an extremely small part of that analysis.

Austin Croshere and Jerome James disagree. I agree with what you said except you need to put "good" in front of GM, then you are spot on. There are a ton of players who have been overpaid by teams because of a good playoff run or probably more frequently a good ncaa tournament run.

lol yeah... if a GM was evaluating Glen's "body of work" they'd look at the fact that he was slightly mediocre for the entire season and not look at some fluffy playoff stats. 

Besides... It's pretty clear that Obese is just the beneficiary of his teammates.  He gets a lot of wide open shots and wide open layups (which he seems to blow pretty frequently).  As nice as his stats have been while playing 40 minutes a night in the playoffs, any GM with half a brain would realize that Glen probably isn't going to get enough wide open shots on a bad team to average 15 points per 40 minutes.  And they'll see that he only pulls down about 5 or 6 rebounds in 40 minutes.  And they'll see how Boston's defense went from historical with KG to horrible with Glen Davis....  and say "nah... pass"...

[jambr380]

Baby has been VERY important to this team late in the season and especially in the playoffs. His game has evolved faster than I ever thought it would and he is at least a 6th man on a very good team...

BUT, this has always been a weakness of his. It really doesn't make any sense. At times, he will be knocking down jumpers consistently and even throwing up reverse/backwards layups with his left hand with relative ease. But for some reason he can't consistently hit fairly simple lay-ups. I agree with the posters that say he doesn't get enough lift, but I think it goes further than this. I think some of his problem is holding on to the ball a little too long (possibly looking for a foul?) and also not having enough touch on his layups (which is odd because he basically has very soft hands).

It's pretty sad when you feel MUCH more comfortable with Perk's up and under layups than Baby's somewhat contested layups.

[kozlodoev]

I felt bad for Glen Davis last night because he had 3 layups not fall.  I felt bad because I like Davis and want him to succeed, surprise people, etc.  And I expect him to recover and those shots to drop next game, and I expect that he'll be fine in the long run.  Baby, you're going to have a great career!

BUT:  I couldn't help thinking that with N.B.A. GM's watching last night's game, those missed layups might have rendered Glen about 2 million dollars less expensive next season.  Missed layups make a big impression, especially when you're vertically challenged. 

If one poor game made a player 2 million cheaper, Pierce should have cost us no money last time we signed him.

[davemonsterband]

Let Baby go, he's the next Drew Gooden, and not even that once he gets a major injury. Not a fan.

Post buzzer beater edit: keep Baby, my mother should stop loving me, I deserve to lose my job, I hope I get rickets.