Cleveland vs Atlanta

[dlpin]

A few more stats, from 82games.com:

- Clutch stats, draw foul %:
- James - 24.2%
- Bryant - 10.1%
- Wade - 15.9%
- Pierce - 16.5%
- Anthony - 16.4%

- Draw fouls, all game:
- James 18.6%
- Bryant 11.7%
- Wade 16.6%
- Pierce 15.5%
- Anthony 13.8%

- Personal Fouls - Opponent personal fouls (main position only):
- James- 1.8/3.6
- Bryant 3/4.5
- Wade 2.9/3.7
- Pierce 3.3/4.7
- Anthony 3.9/5.2


You see, there are many fouls on plays James is involved in, but they are generally called on the other guy. Even for superstars he receives beneficial treatment.

[dlpin]

By the way, if you only count players who have played at least half a season, Lebron is 4th in steal-to-PF and number 7 in block-to-PF, and is the only played to appear anywhere near the top on both stats. If they could somehow parse fouls while going for a steal and fouls while going for a block, his block/steal to PF ratio would be out of this world.

[markketch]

"Very easily - as a player gets better defensively, his fouls are likely to decline" Edited too, all of a sudden in his last 27 games he improved that much while there is videotape all over the place of him knocking people to the ground and hitting them in the face?  How come all of his other numbers didn't increase? How come his blocks didn't double? How come his steals didn't double? How come MJ never had such a "getting better defensively?" This is a complete joke.   Even the other players who have low fouls per game have consistent numbers you can see in those other 39 intervals there is a high of 60 and a low of 31 with an average of about 42. 22 is nowhere near that and you're saying he is playing better defensivley. Really? Isn't this the best player in the game for the past 6 years and all of a sudden in his past 27 games he is playing twice as good as the best player in the game? What a joke. Did you see him hit Josh Smith in the head 3 times in Game 2? How come his other numbers haven't drastically increased if he is playing "so much better" defensively in his last 29 games.  What a complete cheating joke.

edited too much personal..

2. Math. Learn it.  Everything isn't perfectly correlated.  A defensive improvement doesn't mean a one-to-one return in every defensive category.

[Edgar]

I am warning all to not make this personal
theres a clear criteria difference
so i recommend u, stick to your believes and move on.

thanks

edgar

[RAcker]

Man, if Atlanta would show half of the fight of the people in this forum, maybe they'd actually compete in one of these games.   

[angryguy77]

Yes he hit a couple of 40 footers and was close on a few others, but that was just a couple of shots. LBJ is playing awesome, the other guys are just OK. I just think that we are more impressive this year. We are a better team, they have the better player.  But when you look at some of the stats you realize it is not just wins and losses.  We have played 91 games this year and have had a chance to win 88!! That is ridiculous it has to be close to a record.  We lost big @IND and two @CLE. Our 4th worst loss this year was @NYK and we were down 5 with 3:38 to play, every other game besides those 4 we were in a better position to win than that.  By comparison Cavs lost big 8 times this year and in those losses they didn't get within 10 points in the last 5 minutes so they were decisive losses. We have 11 wins this year against .600 or better full strength, Cavs have 5. The thing is the media is making this out to be David vs. Goliath and I just don't think that is what it is, otherwise I wouldn't be able to come up with stats like this. It reminds me of when the Packers played the Broncos in 1998 Super Bowl. Everyone was like Packers are so much better, they were favored by 7 points, but when you really looked in depth the teams were about even there was nothing to even say the Packers were better except for media hype, so it was a wonder why Packers were heavily favored. Broncos won the game. Cavs are great, when they were 26-4 I was like wow I don't think they are that good. Then I started following their games, and they haven't really played anyone since. They faced a good Rockets team in Houston and got blown out. Faced Orlando twice in Orlando got blown out both times. Then they also lost at Boston recently. Even after the Boston loss, they won 7 in a row, 6 by 6 points or less all of those games were close. Every other game they played was against a low percentage team or a team missing key starters. Cavs are a great team that is a fact. It is also a fact they haven't beatin anyone in their last 50 games .600 or better full strength and have only played 3 games in their last 23 against teams at full strength. No team should even play only 3 games in their last 23 against teams at full stregth. That in itself is ridiculous.

I enjoyed readiong your posts until you mentioned that game that will never be mentioned again. Why dont you key my car while your at it.

[RAcker]

Yes he hit a couple of 40 footers and was close on a few others, but that was just a couple of shots. LBJ is playing awesome, the other guys are just OK. I just think that we are more impressive this year. We are a better team, they have the better player.  But when you look at some of the stats you realize it is not just wins and losses.  We have played 91 games this year and have had a chance to win 88!! That is ridiculous it has to be close to a record.  We lost big @IND and two @CLE. Our 4th worst loss this year was @NYK and we were down 5 with 3:38 to play, every other game besides those 4 we were in a better position to win than that.  By comparison Cavs lost big 8 times this year and in those losses they didn't get within 10 points in the last 5 minutes so they were decisive losses. We have 11 wins this year against .600 or better full strength, Cavs have 5. The thing is the media is making this out to be David vs. Goliath and I just don't think that is what it is, otherwise I wouldn't be able to come up with stats like this. It reminds me of when the Packers played the Broncos in 1998 Super Bowl. Everyone was like Packers are so much better, they were favored by 7 points, but when you really looked in depth the teams were about even there was nothing to even say the Packers were better except for media hype, so it was a wonder why Packers were heavily favored. Broncos won the game. Cavs are great, when they were 26-4 I was like wow I don't think they are that good. Then I started following their games, and they haven't really played anyone since. They faced a good Rockets team in Houston and got blown out. Faced Orlando twice in Orlando got blown out both times. Then they also lost at Boston recently. Even after the Boston loss, they won 7 in a row, 6 by 6 points or less all of those games were close. Every other game they played was against a low percentage team or a team missing key starters. Cavs are a great team that is a fact. It is also a fact they haven't beatin anyone in their last 50 games .600 or better full strength and have only played 3 games in their last 23 against teams at full strength. No team should even play only 3 games in their last 23 against teams at full stregth. That in itself is ridiculous.

I enjoyed readiong your posts until you mentioned that game that will never be mentioned again. Why dont you key my car while your at it.

That Packer's memory was a low blow.   

[star18]

That is what it is about math. Its not about saying this play should have gone this way or this play was a foul.  Its not about crying into tissues and hitting the enter button. These are stats. All I am typing in are statistical numbers. They are stats about foul calls which includes whether or not the ref blows the whistle.  Here are Lebron's 20 game intervals of blocks and steals over his career.
Blocks:13,13,19,13,20,13,7,12,21,14,20,11,17,12,13,15,26,17,20,25,22,28,22,21.
Steals:26,36,33,35,48,47,35,45,31,33,29,32,33,31,29,35,35,46,33,30,41,40,22,33.
Fouls:41,33,42,35,34,44,31,37,53,41,41,46,38,43,45,46,43,46,44,43,40,39,37,22.
The numbers prove I am correct. Why didn't he have 42 blocks and 75 steals in his last interval if he is "playing better defensively". If he had 42 & 75 then those numbers would correlate with the foul call but he doesn't he has roughly the same number. Yes Lebron is playing better but not even close percentage wise to the foul calls. You can look at his scoring, rebounds, assists and every other stat in the world. They are all fairly similiar.

[star18]

That Packers Broncos game was just another football game throughout history. Maybe it was a great memory for Elway and the Broncos, didn't mean to upset Packers fans.

[angryguy77]

That Packers Broncos game was just another football game throughout history. Maybe it was a great memory for Elway and the Broncos, didn't mean to upset Packers fans.

Its ok Ill still give you a tp for all the research on lebron. 

[star18]

Thank You. I'm just typing in stats. Mathematically they don't make sense. When you look at the great players in sports throughout history there aren't huge increases/decreases like that with players who play consistent minutes and games. A defensive improvement doesn't mean a one to one return in every defensive category, but there isn't a one to one return in ANY category offensively OR defensively.

[markketch]

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[markketch]

A defensive improvement doesn't mean a one to one return in every defensive category, but there isn't a one to one return in ANY category offensively OR defensively.

Then why are you clamoring about his steals and blocks?  You're detracting from your own argument by doing so.

And I don't know why you're saying "mathematically not possible".  If it happened, then it's mathematically possible.

[cordobes]

This is probably just me, but what was so important about those 20 games where the refs started calling 1.1 personal foul per game on LeBron instead of 2 personal fouls per game? What exactly would have happened if they had called those additional 15 fouls or so?

I mean, LeBron would have ended the year with 15 more fouls, obviously, his PF/game ratio would be 0.18 higher and we wouldn't have that statistical oddity, but other than that, why would it matter?

[star18]

The steals and blocks numbers are there because someone said he is playing much better defensively, but the steals and blocks numbers have no huge increase.  It is an imporant stretch of games, now 29 fouls in 27 games, because it shows the refs are taking it to another extreme level and calling basically absolutely nothing on him no matter what happens.  Not only is he getting every 50/50 call, he's getting basically every 20/80 and 10/90 call too. There is nothing else in sports history that has simliar numbers.