First signs of discontent from Starbury?

[Roy Hobbs]

He's probably thinking that Eddie isn't a pg. Maybe he'll play them situationally. Eddie will be competing with Tony and Marbury for minutes, but he hasn't shown enough that he'll always get minutes over either of them.

I think Eddie has shown plenty.  He's shot roughly 50% from 3PT the past three months, and has been our most consistent bench player.  If Doc is going to shorten the rotation, I certainly hope that Eddie doesn't lose any minutes to Starbury, especially until Starbury shows he can hit the broad side of a barn with the bricks he's throwing up.

[crownsy]

He's probably thinking that Eddie isn't a pg. Maybe he'll play them situationally. Eddie will be competing with Tony and Marbury for minutes, but he hasn't shown enough that he'll always get minutes over either of them.

I think Eddie has shown plenty.  He's shot roughly 50% from 3PT the past three months, and has been our most consistent bench player.  If Doc is going to shorten the rotation, I certainly hope that Eddie doesn't lose any minutes to Starbury, especially until Starbury shows he can hit the broad side of a barn with the bricks he's throwing up.

I think he ment at the point.

Id like to see eddie get 8-12 minutes a game at SG during the playoffs, since unless we trust walker (unlikely) ray will have to play SF to get paul a breather at times.

[Roy Hobbs]

He's probably thinking that Eddie isn't a pg. Maybe he'll play them situationally. Eddie will be competing with Tony and Marbury for minutes, but he hasn't shown enough that he'll always get minutes over either of them.

I think Eddie has shown plenty.  He's shot roughly 50% from 3PT the past three months, and has been our most consistent bench player.  If Doc is going to shorten the rotation, I certainly hope that Eddie doesn't lose any minutes to Starbury, especially until Starbury shows he can hit the broad side of a barn with the bricks he's throwing up.

I think he ment at the point.

Id like to see eddie get 8-12 minutes a game at SG during the playoffs, since unless we trust walker (unlikely) ray will have to play SF to get paul a breather at times.

He specifically mentioned Tony Allen, and said that House hasn't shown enough to consistently (or at least always) get minutes over him, either. 

As for Eddie's ability to run the team, the team averages 110.2 points per 100 possessions when he's on the court, and allows 105.2.  He's spent roughly 75% of his minutes at PG this season, where he has a cumulative +118 in terms of net points.  The top three five-man units involving Eddie all have him playing the point.

Compare that to Starbury thus far.  The team averages 102.5 points per 100 possessions (or 7.7 less than with Eddie) and allows 112.2 (or 7.0 more than Eddie).  That's good for a 14.7 point swing, which is a gigantic number.  The team is a cumulative -34 with Starbury running the point.

Now, I would hope that Starbury gets better.  However, the idea that the team functions better with Starbury in there is completely inaccurate, at least as of now.

[hpantazo]

He's probably thinking that Eddie isn't a pg. Maybe he'll play them situationally. Eddie will be competing with Tony and Marbury for minutes, but he hasn't shown enough that he'll always get minutes over either of them.

I think Eddie has shown plenty.  He's shot roughly 50% from 3PT the past three months, and has been our most consistent bench player.  If Doc is going to shorten the rotation, I certainly hope that Eddie doesn't lose any minutes to Starbury, especially until Starbury shows he can hit the broad side of a barn with the bricks he's throwing up.

I think he ment at the point.

Id like to see eddie get 8-12 minutes a game at SG during the playoffs, since unless we trust walker (unlikely) ray will have to play SF to get paul a breather at times.

eddie is much more effective as a sg. I can see marbury playing pg and eddie playing sg and sometimes pg. We have no decent backup wings (TA is awful when healthy, Walker is too young, and Scal ain't coming back anytime soon if ever)

[Roy Hobbs]

He's probably thinking that Eddie isn't a pg. Maybe he'll play them situationally. Eddie will be competing with Tony and Marbury for minutes, but he hasn't shown enough that he'll always get minutes over either of them.

I think Eddie has shown plenty.  He's shot roughly 50% from 3PT the past three months, and has been our most consistent bench player.  If Doc is going to shorten the rotation, I certainly hope that Eddie doesn't lose any minutes to Starbury, especially until Starbury shows he can hit the broad side of a barn with the bricks he's throwing up.

I think he ment at the point.

Id like to see eddie get 8-12 minutes a game at SG during the playoffs, since unless we trust walker (unlikely) ray will have to play SF to get paul a breather at times.

eddie is much more effective as a sg. I can see marbury playing pg and eddie playing sg and sometimes pg. We have no decent backup wings (TA is awful when healthy, Walker is too young, and Scal ain't coming back anytime soon if ever)

See the post above.  The team has done quite well with Eddie at the point this season.

[hpantazo]

He's probably thinking that Eddie isn't a pg. Maybe he'll play them situationally. Eddie will be competing with Tony and Marbury for minutes, but he hasn't shown enough that he'll always get minutes over either of them.

I think Eddie has shown plenty.  He's shot roughly 50% from 3PT the past three months, and has been our most consistent bench player.  If Doc is going to shorten the rotation, I certainly hope that Eddie doesn't lose any minutes to Starbury, especially until Starbury shows he can hit the broad side of a barn with the bricks he's throwing up.

I think he ment at the point.

Id like to see eddie get 8-12 minutes a game at SG during the playoffs, since unless we trust walker (unlikely) ray will have to play SF to get paul a breather at times.

eddie is much more effective as a sg. I can see marbury playing pg and eddie playing sg and sometimes pg. We have no decent backup wings (TA is awful when healthy, Walker is too young, and Scal ain't coming back anytime soon if ever)

See the post above.  The team has done quite well with Eddie at the point this season.

I agree, numbers wise, they have done well with Eddie as pg, but to me, from what I have seen since they got Marbury, is that Eddie looks more free and effective at SG when he's in there with another ballhandler, and it seems clear that the team doesn't trust Eddie to be the primary backup pg since they keep acquiring someone to play that position come playoff time. Marbury will get better, and so will eddie because of it.

[Atzar]

It sounds like he's frustrated with his own offense.  To me, the comment is bland enough - it is definitely harder to get minutes here than in New York, there's a big difference in talent between the two teams.  That said, it does sound like maybe he's making an excuse for himself - kinda like "if I got more minutes, I'd be back to form".  Again, I don't think he's blaming anybody, so much as he's just frustrated.

This was a guy who could shoot the basketball, and that's not something that deteriorates quickly with age, but rather with lack of practice.  I keep telling myself that he'll click at some point, but this late in the season there's a very real possibility that he doesn't regain his old form. 

[celts55]

It sounds like he's frustrated with his own offense.  To me, the comment is bland enough - it is definitely harder to get minutes here than in New York, there's a big difference in talent between the two teams.  That said, it does sound like maybe he's making an excuse for himself - kinda like "if I got more minutes, I'd be back to form".  Again, I don't think he's blaming anybody, so much as he's just frustrated.

This was a guy who could shoot the basketball, and that's not something that deteriorates quickly with age, but rather with lack of practice.  I keep telling myself that he'll click at some point, but this late in the season there's a very real possibility that he doesn't regain his old form. 

I have to agree, it sounds more like fustration than discontent to me also. Granted, it would be nice if he could start hitting some shots, but it is nice to see him busting his butt on D. He really seems to be working hard on that end. Hopefully his shot will come along before the playoffs. The Celtics could use it.

[crownsy]

He's probably thinking that Eddie isn't a pg. Maybe he'll play them situationally. Eddie will be competing with Tony and Marbury for minutes, but he hasn't shown enough that he'll always get minutes over either of them.

I think Eddie has shown plenty.  He's shot roughly 50% from 3PT the past three months, and has been our most consistent bench player.  If Doc is going to shorten the rotation, I certainly hope that Eddie doesn't lose any minutes to Starbury, especially until Starbury shows he can hit the broad side of a barn with the bricks he's throwing up.

I think he ment at the point.

Id like to see eddie get 8-12 minutes a game at SG during the playoffs, since unless we trust walker (unlikely) ray will have to play SF to get paul a breather at times.

eddie is much more effective as a sg. I can see marbury playing pg and eddie playing sg and sometimes pg. We have no decent backup wings (TA is awful when healthy, Walker is too young, and Scal ain't coming back anytime soon if ever)

See the post above.  The team has done quite well with Eddie at the point this season.

do you really consider the times he's out there with ray or (and this is 80% of the time i would guess) paul that he's playing the point?

I don't. he ditches the ball like a hot potato the minute he can. Paul or ray is often the "point gaurd" in that they run the offense. This is a good strategy, because eddie is a average passer and a bad dribbler.

[BillfromBoston]

Man, you guys are quick to judge with nobody drawing from history - Marbury done at age 32? Wow - he'd be about the first player of his caliber to not sustain serious injury or be out of shape and still lose all his skills - but if you are all convinced of it, sure...

But before you do - take a look at Michael Jordan's first comeback season, when he played 17 games at the end of the year. He was the same age as Marbury is now and had a precipitous drop-off in efficiency, shooting 41% after being a career 52% shooter - and he got WORSE as the season went on...

I'll hazard to guess that nobody on this board has spent much time around professional level athletes...this isn't your local rec league - you take 1 1/2 seasons off and then come to a new team with an unfamiliar system during the stretch run, you're going to have problems.

However, to ignore the substantial improvement in Marbury's handling of the offense would be a mistake. He's been inconsistent, but steadily improving as the QB of the 2nd unit. He's looked his best when surrounded by main rotation players and has clearly been a net positive as a backup PG on most nights.

I believe his shot will come around, but his pick-and-roll game has done a lot for creating easy baskets already and as long as he continues to improve I don't see why he wouldn't be able to earn more minutes at the 2 as well as the 1.

He has to prove it, nothing will be given to him. But if you are looking for him to fail than continue reading into these comments and fuel whatever agenda you have....I'm more than willing to watch the last 10 games and see what happens...

[hpantazo]

He's probably thinking that Eddie isn't a pg. Maybe he'll play them situationally. Eddie will be competing with Tony and Marbury for minutes, but he hasn't shown enough that he'll always get minutes over either of them.

I think Eddie has shown plenty.  He's shot roughly 50% from 3PT the past three months, and has been our most consistent bench player.  If Doc is going to shorten the rotation, I certainly hope that Eddie doesn't lose any minutes to Starbury, especially until Starbury shows he can hit the broad side of a barn with the bricks he's throwing up.

I think he ment at the point.

Id like to see eddie get 8-12 minutes a game at SG during the playoffs, since unless we trust walker (unlikely) ray will have to play SF to get paul a breather at times.

eddie is much more effective as a sg. I can see marbury playing pg and eddie playing sg and sometimes pg. We have no decent backup wings (TA is awful when healthy, Walker is too young, and Scal ain't coming back anytime soon if ever)

See the post above.  The team has done quite well with Eddie at the point this season.

do you really consider the times he's out there with ray or (and this is 80% of the time i would guess) paul that he's playing the point?

I don't. he ditches the ball like a hot potato the minute he can. Paul or ray is often the "point gaurd" in that they run the offense. This is a good strategy, because eddie is a average passer and a bad dribbler.

not to mention that pierce and ray allen are not the best pg's either

[moiso]

Man, you guys are quick to judge with nobody drawing from history - Marbury done at age 32? Wow - he'd be about the first player of his caliber to not sustain serious injury or be out of shape and still lose all his skills - but if you are all convinced of it, sure...

But before you do - take a look at Michael Jordan's first comeback season, when he played 17 games at the end of the year. He was the same age as Marbury is now and had a precipitous drop-off in efficiency, shooting 41% after being a career 52% shooter - and he got WORSE as the season went on...

I'll hazard to guess that nobody on this board has spent much time around professional level athletes...this isn't your local rec league - you take 1 1/2 seasons off and then come to a new team with an unfamiliar system during the stretch run, you're going to have problems.

However, to ignore the substantial improvement in Marbury's handling of the offense would be a mistake. He's been inconsistent, but steadily improving as the QB of the 2nd unit. He's looked his best when surrounded by main rotation players and has clearly been a net positive as a backup PG on most nights.

I believe his shot will come around, but his pick-and-roll game has done a lot for creating easy baskets already and as long as he continues to improve I don't see why he wouldn't be able to earn more minutes at the 2 as well as the 1.

He has to prove it, nothing will be given to him. But if you are looking for him to fail than continue reading into these comments and fuel whatever agenda you have....I'm more than willing to watch the last 10 games and see what happens...

It's not like he was an allstar caliber player 1 1/2 years ago- he's been deteriorating for years.
And I wouldn't read too much into that comment- he's just saying that he thinks he's better than he's shown so far.  I don't think he really wants to score 30 or 40.  He just doesn't want to be thought of as this pathetic.

[moiso]

The last time Marbury was an allstar, Steve Francis was on his team and Jamal Mashburn was on the opposing team.  Thats more than 1 1/2 years ago.

[crownsy]

Man, you guys are quick to judge with nobody drawing from history - Marbury done at age 32? Wow - he'd be about the first player of his caliber to not sustain serious injury or be out of shape and still lose all his skills - but if you are all convinced of it, sure...

But before you do - take a look at Michael Jordan's first comeback season, when he played 17 games at the end of the year. He was the same age as Marbury is now and had a precipitous drop-off in efficiency, shooting 41% after being a career 52% shooter - and he got WORSE as the season went on...

I'll hazard to guess that nobody on this board has spent much time around professional level athletes...this isn't your local rec league - you take 1 1/2 seasons off and then come to a new team with an unfamiliar system during the stretch run, you're going to have problems.

However, to ignore the substantial improvement in Marbury's handling of the offense would be a mistake. He's been inconsistent, but steadily improving as the QB of the 2nd unit. He's looked his best when surrounded by main rotation players and has clearly been a net positive as a backup PG on most nights.

I believe his shot will come around, but his pick-and-roll game has done a lot for creating easy baskets already and as long as he continues to improve I don't see why he wouldn't be able to earn more minutes at the 2 as well as the 1.

He has to prove it, nothing will be given to him. But if you are looking for him to fail than continue reading into these comments and fuel whatever agenda you have....I'm more than willing to watch the last 10 games and see what happens...

TP for you bill, It fustrates me that, last night aside, no one wants to conceed that he's actually running the second unit's offense well, espically finding eddie for wide open looks (which even on his worst night, he did twice last night)

its extremly fustrating he's missing his shots, no doubt, but he's doing some positive things out there, whcih is more than i can say for Kofi kingston over at Power forward.

[BballTim]

He's probably thinking that Eddie isn't a pg. Maybe he'll play them situationally. Eddie will be competing with Tony and Marbury for minutes, but he hasn't shown enough that he'll always get minutes over either of them.

I think Eddie has shown plenty.  He's shot roughly 50% from 3PT the past three months, and has been our most consistent bench player.  If Doc is going to shorten the rotation, I certainly hope that Eddie doesn't lose any minutes to Starbury, especially until Starbury shows he can hit the broad side of a barn with the bricks he's throwing up.

I think he ment at the point.

Id like to see eddie get 8-12 minutes a game at SG during the playoffs, since unless we trust walker (unlikely) ray will have to play SF to get paul a breather at times.

He specifically mentioned Tony Allen, and said that House hasn't shown enough to consistently (or at least always) get minutes over him, either. 

As for Eddie's ability to run the team, the team averages 110.2 points per 100 possessions when he's on the court, and allows 105.2.  He's spent roughly 75% of his minutes at PG this season, where he has a cumulative +118 in terms of net points.  The top three five-man units involving Eddie all have him playing the point.

Compare that to Starbury thus far.  The team averages 102.5 points per 100 possessions (or 7.7 less than with Eddie) and allows 112.2 (or 7.0 more than Eddie).  That's good for a 14.7 point swing, which is a gigantic number.  The team is a cumulative -34 with Starbury running the point.

Now, I would hope that Starbury gets better.  However, the idea that the team functions better with Starbury in there is completely inaccurate, at least as of now.

  There's a lot here. No, Eddie House hasn't shown enough to always get minutes over TA. His ballhandling and defense are nothing to write home about and he can't create his own shot. The team averages 106 a game when Eddie's a sg and 97 when he's a pg. If you look at the player pairs you'll see that Paul and Tony both average more TOs a game (in Tony's case about 70% more) when they play with Eddie than they do when they play with Rajon because they have to handle the ball more when Eddie's playing. Also, we average about 99 a game when Eddie's playing, but 114 when he's playing with Rondo. In those 5 man units the only one with Eddie and Rondo is significantly better than any of the others. It's also worth noting that Eddie averages slightly fewer assists than TA.

  You'll also note that I said IF Marbury makes the playoff rotation...