LeBron

[markketch]

I dunno, i knwo the fact that TNT didn't show a replay feeds into the conspiracy argument, but at full speed that looked pretty clean.

I'd have to see it again, which TNT decided to pass on in favor of showing a play for 3 minutes before hand. (i loath TNT's choies of replays.)

They actually did show one replay of it, and it was clean.  LeBron did hit Outlaw on the arm after the block on his follow through of the swipe, but the ball was well clear and out of Outlaw's hand when that happend.

[wil]

I dunno, i knwo the fact that TNT didn't show a replay feeds into the conspiracy argument, but at full speed that looked pretty clean.

I'd have to see it again, which TNT decided to pass on in favor of showing a play for 3 minutes before hand. (i loath TNT's choies of replays.)

They actually did show one replay of it, and it was clean.  LeBron did hit Outlaw on the arm after the block on his follow through of the swipe, but the ball was well clear and out of Outlaw's hand when that happend.

You can't hit a guy on his follow through and have it be "clean"

[CelticsWhat35]

I dunno, i knwo the fact that TNT didn't show a replay feeds into the conspiracy argument, but at full speed that looked pretty clean.

I'd have to see it again, which TNT decided to pass on in favor of showing a play for 3 minutes before hand. (i loath TNT's choies of replays.)

They actually did show one replay of it, and it was clean.  LeBron did hit Outlaw on the arm after the block on his follow through of the swipe, but the ball was well clear and out of Outlaw's hand when that happend.

If it happened as you described, that's a foul.

[crownsy]

I dunno, i knwo the fact that TNT didn't show a replay feeds into the conspiracy argument, but at full speed that looked pretty clean.

I'd have to see it again, which TNT decided to pass on in favor of showing a play for 3 minutes before hand. (i loath TNT's choies of replays.)

They actually did show one replay of it, and it was clean.  LeBron did hit Outlaw on the arm after the block on his follow through of the swipe, but the ball was well clear and out of Outlaw's hand when that happend.

You can't hit a guy on his follow through and have it be "clean"

if you block the ball full on before hand and then you hit him after the shot is gone, sure you can.

as long as the ball is well clear of his hand, and you block it first, you can hit the guys hand with the follow through. KG does this all the time post rejection.

[crownsy]

but in your sequence of events, lebron didn't turn and talk to that offical, he walked away without arguing remeber? what actually happened was he turned around and did his "WIDE RIGHT!!" field goal sign, then went to talk if over (i.e complain) to the offical.

Yes, because as I recall, he turned around and walked away. I do not remember him complaining. Post a video, if it's true I'll agree, but I do not believe your recap is correct.

as to not mentioning perk, why would i? i didn't mention manu ginobli either, but i have the same opnion of him. Why should i have to list every other player i think whines to prove my point that the one im talking about cries his eyes out?

I already explained it - I thought it was ironic that you didn't mention probably THE biggest cry baby in the league.

if you weren't trying to defend lebron with your post about perk, why post it? All you said was that you agree with me that lebron's a huge cry baby then. thanks, glad we cleared that up!

See above - irony.  Yes, I agree LeBron complains too much.  I already said above that I wasn't defending him.

you haven't explained why you thought it as ironic at all. that requires some valid reason why i hould have mentioned him but choose not to.

[markketch]

you haven't explained why you thought it as ironic at all. that requires some valid reason why i hould have mentioned him but choose not to.

Yes I did.  I thought it was ironic that you mention "the biggest" complainers but did NOT mention Perkins, who is easily at the top of the list.

How is that not an explanation?

[markketch]

if you block the ball full on before hand and then you hit him after the shot is gone, sure you can.

as long as the ball is well clear of his hand, and you block it first, you can hit the guys hand with the follow through. KG does this all the time post rejection.

Yep, tons of blocks are clean but involve "follow through" contact by the defender, whether it be body-to-body or hitting the wrist/hand/forearm.

[celticmaestro]

I thought this would be a JR Giddens thread

[the TRUTH]

Mark:

What was your point in bringing up Perkins? First of all, he gets called for almost everything, so he sometimes does have reason to complain. LeCrabDribble, on the other hand, gets every call imaginable. As do his teammates (particularly Varejao and Z - the two biggest hackers in the NBA). Second, Perk could whine all he wants, but he's still gonna be in foul trouble almost every night. LeCrab? Nope - they'll just change the rules to make it easier for him.

Seriously, do you really watch the Celtics-Cavs games when they play? In the most recent game, we outscored the Cavs 58-26 in points in the paint, yet got outshot 38-12 at the free throw line. And by the way, we were AT HOME. And, in case you forget, we are defending NBA Champions. Please explain that for me.

Look, the NBA is clearly on a mission to establish a Kobe vs. LeBron NBA Finals. They were last year, too, but we were good enough to foil that.

I think I speak for most Celtic fans with this: we're not at all worried about whether we're GOOD ENOUGH to beat the Cavs in the playoffs, because we clearly are - when healthy.

The thing we're all worried about is the officials literally handing the Cavs the Eastern Conference crown on a silver platter. That's your only chance.

[markketch]

Mark:

What was your point in bringing up Perkins? First of all, he gets called for almost everything, so he sometimes does have reason to complain.

This is now the THIRD time I've posted why I brought up Perkins: he is one of the BIGGEST complainers in the league, so I think if someone is going to mention a handful of "complainers" he should be the one of the first names brought up.

Are my responses coming across in Chinese? I think I've made it pretty clear why I mentioned Perk. 

[CelticsWhat35]

if you block the ball full on before hand and then you hit him after the shot is gone, sure you can.

as long as the ball is well clear of his hand, and you block it first, you can hit the guys hand with the follow through. KG does this all the time post rejection.

Yep, tons of blocks are clean but involve "follow through" contact by the defender, whether it be body-to-body or hitting the wrist/hand/forearm.

There's a difference between the refs letting something go and it not being a foul.  It doesn't matter how far away the ball is, if the shooter gets fouled, it's a foul.  We've seen plenty of times where a defender jumps to contest a three pointer and bumps the shooter after they've both already landed, and a shooting foul is called.

[markketch]

Seriously, do you really watch the Celtics-Cavs games when they play? In the most recent game, we outscored the Cavs 58-26 in points in the paint, yet got outshot 38-12 at the free throw line. And by the way, we were AT HOME. And, in case you forget, we are defending NBA Champions. Please explain that for me.

Explanation: Boston scored easily in the paint on tons of uncontested layups. The Celtics were extremely physically and did not allow easy, open looks to the Cavs - they made sure to foul or contest everything.  This is a large part of the point differential and FT disparity.

And there you go, a possible explanation.

[crownsy]

if you block the ball full on before hand and then you hit him after the shot is gone, sure you can.

as long as the ball is well clear of his hand, and you block it first, you can hit the guys hand with the follow through. KG does this all the time post rejection.

Yep, tons of blocks are clean but involve "follow through" contact by the defender, whether it be body-to-body or hitting the wrist/hand/forearm.

There's a difference between the refs letting something go and it not being a foul.  It doesn't matter how far away the ball is, if the shooter gets fouled, it's a foul.  We've seen plenty of times where a defender jumps to contest a three pointer and bumps the shooter after they've both already landed, and a shooting foul is called.

right, thats a foul because it directly affected the shot.

Incedintal contact post clean block is not, nor has it ever been a foul. if it was, every block perk ever makes would be a foul.

[markketch]

There's a difference between the refs letting something go and it not being a foul.  It doesn't matter how far away the ball is, if the shooter gets fouled, it's a foul.  We've seen plenty of times where a defender jumps to contest a three pointer and bumps the shooter after they've both already landed, and a shooting foul is called.

It was NOT a foul. It was a clean block, and the contact AFTER the block is incidental. The contact has no bearing on the shot, since the shot is effectively dead once it has been blocked.

This is completely different than an offensive player forcing contact.

[the TRUTH]

And you still don't acknowledge what we're saying - Perk complains because he's actually getting in foul trouble. LeCrabDribble complains because the opponent had the audacity to challenge a shot of his. And if he actually missed a shot, the officials had the audacity to not give him free throws to compensate. Totally different situations.