LeBron

[eat ur wheaties]

chuck said it last night at half.  "the cavs dont play fast enough", which is kinda true.  they dont run as much as they could and when they do its lebron leading the way and delonte and mo trailing for the 3 ball.  they have the luckiest man in the world as a head coach whose offensive playbook consists of 5 plays (4 of which are high screens for lebron).  but hes still lebron and can win a 7 game series by himself (see 2007 ECF).

[markketch]

you didnt miss anything. I watched the last 4 minutes and overtime, and dispite the ref's best efforts the blazers kept it close, but couldnt get over the hump.

Yeah, Brandon Roy getting to foul line 4 times in the last 30 seconds really shows that the refs were homecooking it for the Cavs, right?.  I'm pretty sure the Blazers let LeBron score in the paint whenever he wanted in the 4th quarter - that must have been the refs, too?

The Cavs were called for 29 fouls (7 in the 4th, 5 in OT, the Blazers 26 (4 in the 4th, 3 in OT - 1 intentional).

I was amazed, if you watch the replay of lebron jumping on roy's back with 3 seconds left, that it took the officating crew having a conferance to call it a shooting foul, then another to call it only 2 shots (the second conferancewasen't needed, he was clearly inside the 3 pt line). I guess when you fall for a pump fake and tackle the guy, you should probley get two shots.

Are you sure you watched the game closely?  The officiating crew got together to determine if it was going to be 3 FTs or 2FTs, not to determine if it was a shooting foul. The Blazers were already in the bonus (they scored all of their points from the FT in OT).

Best part: lebron arguing his innocence to the ref. i mean, if you see the highlight, he blatantly gets put in the popcorn machine and slams into roy at full speed off the pump fake. What on earth could he be compaining about? it was stright up TA vs billups from last year.

Now I know you really weren't paying attention to the game. LeBron didn't argue anything, he turned around and walked away because he knew he comitted a foul.  Were you drinking during the game?

[crownsy]

I was amazed, if you watch the replay of lebron jumping on roy's back with 3 seconds left, that it took the officating crew having a conferance to call it a shooting foul, then another to call it only 2 shots (the second conferancewasen't needed, he was clearly inside the 3 pt line). I guess when you fall for a pump fake and tackle the guy, you should probley get two shots.

Are you sure you watched the game closely?  The officiating crew got together to determine if it was going to be 3 FTs or 2FTs, not to determine if it was a shooting foul. The Blazers were already in the bonus (they scored all of their points from the FT in OT).

Best part: lebron arguing his innocence to the ref. i mean, if you see the highlight, he blatantly gets put in the popcorn machine and slams into roy at full speed off the pump fake. What on earth could he be compaining about? it was stright up TA vs billups from last year.

Now I know you really weren't paying attention to the game. LeBron didn't argue anything, he turned around and walked away because he knew he comitted a foul.  Were you drinking during the game?

no, but thanks for the attempted grade school insult. What do you think the emphatic "field goal no good" signal to the baseline ref was? and then he walked over to him, mabey to discuss his NCAA bracket, but i think it was probley to do with the play. I realize he was probley arguing that it wasen't in the act of shooting, not that it wasen't a foul.

as for your first paragraph, you forget to read my whole post before you defended your hero? notice the second line when i say it wasen't a nessacary to have the second confrance because it was clear roy only deserved two shots because he was inside the line?


he's a great player, but he whines more than anyone but TD and kobe. Hey, i would to if it got me as many FT's as it does him a game i suppose.

[markketch]

no, but thanks for the attempted grade school insult. What do you think the emphatic "field goal no good" signal to the baseline ref was? and then he walked over to him, mabey to discuss his NCAA bracket, but i think it was probley to do with the play. I realize he was probley arguing that it wasen't in the act of shooting, not that it wasen't a foul.

Yes - the "field goal no good" was to say that the shot would not count if it went because it was well after the foul occured. It was waiving off the continuation. The conference wasn't whether it was a shooting foul or not, it was about where the foul occured.

as for your first paragraph, you forget to read my whole post before you defended your hero? notice the second line when i say it wasen't a nessacary to have the second confrance because it was clear roy only deserved two shots because he was inside the line?

Yes, it was necessary to have a conference to determine if it was a foul behind the 3pt line or going to be a 2pt.  His foot barely slid over the line, they wanted to be sure they all saw the same thing.

he's a great player, but he whines more than anyone but TD and kobe. Hey, i would to if it got me as many FT's as it does him a game i suppose.

Ever hear of this guy Kendrick Perkins? Tears stream from his eyes whenever he's whistled for a call.

And again - LeBron walked away from the play, he did not complain.

[winsomme]

The current installment of LeBron (the player) for me can pretty much be summed up by his reaction to the foul by Oden where he came down kind of hard on him.

anybody notice the "how dare you foul me like that" look on LBJs face. The Cavs expect this whole thing to be served up on a silver platter for them. Like they've already been tagged the EC Champs...

[LB3533]

I can understand the hatred for Kobe, him being a Laker and probably a poor human being.

But the people who hate on Lebron are the same type of people who hate on Paul Pierce.

[crownsy]

Ever hear of this guy Kendrick Perkins? Tears stream from his eyes whenever he's whistled for a call.

im glad you brought this up, not because its valid in any way, but because it always makes me chuckle when people try to act like this is a defense, and that includes celtics fans for pierce.

For one, I don't disagree, espically in perks case. but the thing is see, it doesn't  matter one iota to the fact that lebron is second only to Kobe's annoying "loud hand clap when i dont get a call" for complaing gestures.

"but...but..little billy down the street is just as bad!" didn't work as a defense when you were 10 with your parent's and its not a valid argument to try to prove your player sin't in fact a huge cry baby by comparing him to someone you think is a bigger cry baby.

You admitied that your player is a cry baby in order to make this compraision. Which is fine if that's what you want, but this only works on a "yea, now YOU get mad" level, which since i think perk whines as well (though for him it serves no purpose, sicne he isn't a star and thus the refs don't care) all it does is prove my point that lebron whines.

Which is fine, if thats what you want i guess.

And again - LeBron walked away from the play, he did not complain.

and again, thats your own opnion of a sequance of events you have no more insight into than i do, and isn't valid.

EDIT: also;

Yes - the "field goal no good" was to say that the shot would not count if it went because it was well after the foul occured.

um...no. I can't post vid's at work, but if you crash into a player taking a jump shot after falling for a pump fake, if they hit the shot i counts. Kobe, paul, LBJ, roy...pretty much all strong jump shooters make a living out of this.

can someone psot the vlad 4 pt play for me?

[markketch]

im glad you brought this up, not because its valid in any way, but because it always makes me chuckle when people try to act like this is a defense, and that includes celtics fans for pierce.

Um, I wasn't using the Perkins reference as a "defense" for LeBron. I never said he doesn't whine, I just thought it was ironic that you didn't mention a guy who notoriously complains and cries after every call against him.

and again, thats your own opnion of a sequance of events you have no more insight into than i do, and isn't valid.

No, it's not my opinion - it's a fact. He literally turned around and walked away. 

um...no. I can't post vid's at work, but if you crash into a player taking a jump shot after falling for a pump fake, if they hit the shot i counts. Kobe, paul, LBJ, roy...pretty much all strong jump shooters make a living out of this.

can someone psot the vlad 4 pt play for me?

You're not following what I'm saying and implying what I meant. I did not say it should NOT have been a continuation, so I'm not sure why you're trying to argue this. My point is that the official waived off the shot because he said no continuation, not that it wasn't a shooting foul. Whether or not the continuation should count has nothing to do with my statement concerning what the conference was about. 

[crownsy]

im glad you brought this up, not because its valid in any way, but because it always makes me chuckle when people try to act like this is a defense, and that includes celtics fans for pierce.

Um, I wasn't using the Perkins reference as a "defense" for LeBron. I never said he doesn't whine, I just thought it was ironic that you didn't mention a guy who notoriously complains and cries after every call against him.

and again, thats your own opnion of a sequance of events you have no more insight into than i do, and isn't valid.

No, it's not my opinion - it's a fact. He literally turned around and walked away. 

um...no. I can't post vid's at work, but if you crash into a player taking a jump shot after falling for a pump fake, if they hit the shot i counts. Kobe, paul, LBJ, roy...pretty much all strong jump shooters make a living out of this.

can someone psot the vlad 4 pt play for me?

You're not following what I'm saying and implying what I meant. I did not say it should NOT have been a continuation, so I'm not sure why you're trying to argue this. My point is that the official waived off the shot because he said no continuation, not that it wasn't a shooting foul. Whether or not the continuation should count has nothing to do with my statement concerning what the conference was about. 

but in your sequence of events, lebron didn't turn and talk to that offical, he walked away without arguing remeber? what actually happened was he turned around and did his "WIDE RIGHT!!" field goal sign, then went to talk if over (i.e complain) to the offical.

as to not mentioning perk, why would i? i didn't mention manu ginobli either, but i have the same opnion of him. Why should i have to list every other player i think whines to prove my point that the one im talking about cries his eyes out?

 if you weren't trying to defend lebron with your post about perk, why post it? All you said was that you agree with me that lebron's a huge cry baby then. thanks, glad we cleared that up!

[winsomme]

I can understand the hatred for Kobe, him being a Laker and probably a poor human being.

But the people who hate on Lebron are the same type of people who hate on Paul Pierce.

You're not going to find a bigger fan of PP than me, but when he pulled that stunt at the end of the Pacers series, he deserved serious heat.

Until LeBron quits the histrionics, IMO he deserves the same heat....

I try and separate player and person. and for me, my criticisms of LeBron remain in the sports world.

All i have heard about LBJ outside of sports is good...like all he doing for his old HS coach and his program, etc...

But on the court (just like CP3, by the way) the way he goes about his business rubs me the wrong way...

[BuckeyeCelt]

I HATE LEBRON!!!!!

I know that is childish and I didn't take the time to back it up...

but it seemed to be the PERFECT way to get my 100th post!!!

One more time...

I HATE KING CRAB!!!!

[wil]

Is anyone going to bring up the non-call on the Outlaw 3 pointer at the end of regulation?  How did everyone miss that that wasn't a block?  That he hit outlaw on the hand?  It was blatant as can be and none of the announcers even brought up the idea that it MIGHT have been a foul.  That was a HUGE play, that if called correctly, changes the entire outcome of that game.  Am I just crazy or is that the worse case of Lebron-love we saw last night?

[crownsy]

Is anyone going to bring up the non-call on the Outlaw 3 pointer at the end of regulation?  How did everyone miss that that wasn't a block?  That he hit outlaw on the hand?  It was blatant as can be and none of the announcers even brought up the idea that it MIGHT have been a foul.  That was a HUGE play, that if called correctly, changes the entire outcome of that game.  Am I just crazy or is that the worse case of Lebron-love we saw last night?

I dunno, i knwo the fact that TNT didn't show a replay feeds into the conspiracy argument, but at full speed that looked pretty clean.

I'd have to see it again, which TNT decided to pass on in favor of showing a play for 3 minutes before hand. (i loath TNT's choies of replays.)

[RAcker]

You know why the Cavs record is so good in a nutshell?  Every other team in the league FEARS LeCrabDribble James.  Unfortunately for him, the Celtics do not.

Home court or not, he knows he'll have to beat the Celtics and that worries him.  Mark it down.  He thrives when people fear him.  The Celtics know they own him right now until he can prove otherwise on the big stage.

If there is one ounce of him that hopes we get knocked out of the playoffs before he has to face us, it's already over before the games are even played. The Cavs confidence goes as his goes, and I think the Crab can't understand how we don't bow to him.

[markketch]

but in your sequence of events, lebron didn't turn and talk to that offical, he walked away without arguing remeber? what actually happened was he turned around and did his "WIDE RIGHT!!" field goal sign, then went to talk if over (i.e complain) to the offical.

Yes, because as I recall, he turned around and walked away. I do not remember him complaining. Post a video, if it's true I'll agree, but I do not believe your recap is correct.

as to not mentioning perk, why would i? i didn't mention manu ginobli either, but i have the same opnion of him. Why should i have to list every other player i think whines to prove my point that the one im talking about cries his eyes out?

I already explained it - I thought it was ironic that you didn't mention probably THE biggest cry baby in the league.

if you weren't trying to defend lebron with your post about perk, why post it? All you said was that you agree with me that lebron's a huge cry baby then. thanks, glad we cleared that up!

See above - irony.  Yes, I agree LeBron complains too much.  I already said above that I wasn't defending him.