trade ideas for House, Scal, Tony

[Mr October]

So next year the Celtics will be sitting on 3 very movable expiring deals.  I think the first option for improving the team should come through free agency. As we have discussed over the past month, there are names out there that could be had from the vet min to the full MLE.

But if the C's are looking to make a trade (I'm leaving Ray Allen's contract out of this particular discussion today), these are some names that match up salary wise with House, Scal and/or TA:

Emeka Okafur 27 $10.5 ...5 years
Luol Deng 24 $10.4 ...5 years
Andrew Bogut 25 $10.0 ...5 years
Chris Kaman 27 $10.4 ...3 years
Eddy Curry 27 $10.5 ...2 years (pry a 1st rounder or 2 from the knicks)
Jared Jeffries 28 $6.5 ...2 years (Pry a 1st from the knicks)
Andres Nocioni 30 $7.5 ...3 years (going down per year)
James Posey 32 $6.0 ...3 years
Jeff Foster 32 $6.1 ...2 years
Jason Kapono 28 $6.2 ...2 years
Nenad Krstic 26 $5.4 ...1 or 2 years
Darco Milicic 24 $7.5 ...1 year
Marcus Camby 35 $7.6 ...1 year

Granted the C's would probably have to sweeten the deal with cash or picks to get some of these folks. But I think these names are worth a conversation.

For example, would helping the Knicks unload Curry or Jeffries be worth a couple first round picks from the Knicks? I'm not sure.

To be honest, I think the Clippers would very much entertain offers for Camby or Kaman, as Sterling does not want to spend all this money on a crap team. And I think they'd be great pickups if we cant land a Wallace or McDyess via free agency.

Any thoughts on the above players?

[Cman]

The three names at the top of your list all look very appealing.
I have a hard time imagining that their respective teams would part with Okafur and Bogut, though.  Perk would probably need to be included in any of those deals.
I think Deng is probably the most gettable of the three.

I imagine that if DA and co. hold on to the Big Three, that there will be a reluctance to take on big contracts (especially with Rondo due for a raise soon).

[yall hate]

Emeka Okafur 27 Not going anywhere for a package we could offer.
Luol Deng 24 Not going anywhere for a package we could offer.
Andrew Bogut 25 Not going anywhere for a package we could offer.
Chris Kaman 27 Not going anywhere for a package we could offer.
Eddy Curry 27 I dont want him
Jared Jeffries 28 I dont want him
Andres Nocioni 30 $7.5 ...3 years (going down per year)
James Posey 32 I dont think the C's want him at that price
Jeff Foster 32 I dont think they will move him (if healthy, they are likely a playoff team next year)
Jason Kapono 28 $6.2 ...2 years
Nenad Krstic 26 They just signed him, I dont think they will move him.  They also dont need the cap space.
Darco Milicic 24 He isnt good.
Marcus Camby 35 Not going anywhere for a package we could offer.

to me, that leaves Nocioni and Kapono.  I think either could likely be had...I'd like either as role players for the team...

[xmuscularghandix]

Kopono is interesting... but i'd rather just use our guys and then use Scal/TA's expiring contracts to sign a nice FA pickup.

in the off-season of 2010 i expect for Ray to resign at a lower salary. so if you just take scal/TA's expiring contracts and lets say Ray signs for about 9 Mil, that'd leave us about 15 million free'd up. (of course this doesn't take into consideration how much we pay BBD and/or Leon, if we keep gabe, if Eddie picks up his option.) but also take note that some of that is evened out by KG yearly rate dropping from 21mil in '09, to 16mil in '10, then 18mil in '11.

[Mr October]

Some of my thoughts:

Emeka Okafur - overpaid.
Luol Deng - overpaid.
Andrew Bogut - overpaid. 12 million per year should equal all star talent. Their salaries could hinder the resigning of Rondo (and Ray Allen if he is kept). Still I wonder when these crappy teams will start feeling buyers remorse.

Chris Kaman 27 $10.4 ...I think the Clippers might be going into fire sale mode within the next year. Expiring contracts plus a first rounder could get this done.

Eddy Curry 27 $10.5 ...No!
Jared Jeffries 28 $6.5 ...No!
Andres Nocioni 30 $7.5 ...Possibilty of Sacramento needs the $$ relief
James Posey 32 $6.0 ...Could be worth re-evaluating
Jeff Foster 32 $6.1 ...Indiana probably wont part with him
Jason Kapono 28 $6.2 ...Could be interesting
Nenad Krstic 26 $5.4 ...no idea
Darco Milicic 24 $7.5 ...no idea
Marcus Camby 35 $7.6 ...see my Chris Kaman comment (no 1st rounder though)

Again I think the best move will be to target Wallace, McDyess, etc in free agency. But I'd at least nibble on some of the above names to see what it would take to get the deals done.

[nickagneta]

Eddie House has a player option and he could only be dealt after he accepts the option, I believe. If he feels he is going to accept the offer but be dealt somewhere he may not want to be, he might choose free agency and the ability to choose where to play over accepting the option and having no say in the matter. Considering he has  a child, that might be a factor.

Just saying.

Other than that, if we aren't including Ray, Rondo, or Perk in any trade this off season, expect very little back unless its through a sign and trade for Leon.

[guava_wrench]

Considering the economy, we would be better off being aggressive in the tougher FA market then getting a guy who was overpaid when the market was stronger.

The salary cap will decrease. That means less money for contracts. Some of these guys were considered overpaid before the economy tanked and revenue decreased.

[jay]

what about t.allen and scal for pryzbilla?

they have one year left and pryzbilla has two.  the blazers need to cut cost so they can re-sign all of their young guys.  aldridge, outlaw, roy, and sergio all come up in 1 year. 

if we can get one or two of their 2nd round picks, it might help us get some youth for the bench. 

[Lucky17]

Scal and Tony Allen for Earl Watson.

[guava_wrench]

what about t.allen and scal for pryzbilla?

they have one year left and pryzbilla has two.  the blazers need to cut cost so they can re-sign all of their young guys.  aldridge, outlaw, roy, and sergio all come up in 1 year. 

if we can get one or two of their 2nd round picks, it might help us get some youth for the bench. 

I'll pass on a low 2nd round pick. No need to waste money for an inferior Pruitt.

[Who]

I don't think the Clippers are interested in dumping Camby or Kaman. They'll try to trade one or both, but they'll be looking to take back talent for them.

Firstly, the Clips are in some unexplainable "win-now" mode despite being a 19 win team. Secondly, Mike Dunleavy doesn't understand how the salary cap works and he's the guy making decisions, he won't understand the advantages of clearing money off his cap.

[wiley]

what about t.allen and scal for pryzbilla?

they have one year left and pryzbilla has two.  the blazers need to cut cost so they can re-sign all of their young guys.  aldridge, outlaw, roy, and sergio all come up in 1 year. 

if we can get one or two of their 2nd round picks, it might help us get some youth for the bench. 

I'll pass on a low 2nd round pick. No need to waste money for an inferior Pruitt.

Wouldn't we be the ones giving up picks in a T.A. and Scal for Pryzbilla?  Can't they get more for Pryzbilla than that?

[nickagneta]

I'd be up for a Tony, Scal, and Pruitt and a boatload of cash going to New Orleans for their 21st pick and James Posey. I think there are benefits for both teams.

For New Orleans:
- they get out from under Posey's remaining $19.5 million
- they get a boatload of cash with which, if they choose, they can buy out any or all of the players or just keep it.
- if they don't buy out the players, they get 3 expiring contracts.
- they get out from under having to guarantee a contract to a late first round draft pick in what many are calling one of the weaker draft classes in recent memory.
-there are a lot of fiscal problems that can be solved with this trade for a team that is in serious financial problems.

For the Celtics:
- they get back Posey, a much needed defensive minded wing player that can hit the three and who is a huge leader in the locker room and who's addition is a guaranteed positive and not a question mark like so many other additions could be.
- they get rid of Tony Allen and open up roster space to develop Giddens at the 2 position.
- they get a first round pick where there are some interesting players that could fit the C's long term needs. Wayne  Ellington or Chase Buddinger as a Ray Allen replacement, Sam Young as a Pierce replacement, and/or a great role player such as Darren Collison, Tyler Hansborough, or BJ Mullens.
-they fill the desperate need at the back up wing without spending MLE money so that they could then use the MLE on a talented big like Rasheed Wallace or a talented guard that could play both positions like Andre Miller.

Possible final roster:

PG Rondo/Miller
SG Allen/House/Giddens
SF Pierce/Posey/Budinger/Walker
PF KG/Baby/Powe
C  Perk/Nesterovic(signed with LLE)

[jay]

what about t.allen and scal for pryzbilla?

they have one year left and pryzbilla has two.  the blazers need to cut cost so they can re-sign all of their young guys.  aldridge, outlaw, roy, and sergio all come up in 1 year. 

if we can get one or two of their 2nd round picks, it might help us get some youth for the bench. 

I'll pass on a low 2nd round pick. No need to waste money for an inferior Pruitt.

i think they have a couple of high 2nd rounders.

[jay]

what about t.allen and scal for pryzbilla?

they have one year left and pryzbilla has two.  the blazers need to cut cost so they can re-sign all of their young guys.  aldridge, outlaw, roy, and sergio all come up in 1 year. 

if we can get one or two of their 2nd round picks, it might help us get some youth for the bench. 

I'll pass on a low 2nd round pick. No need to waste money for an inferior Pruitt.

Wouldn't we be the ones giving up picks in a T.A. and Scal for Pryzbilla?  Can't they get more for Pryzbilla than that?

yeah, i was thinking they do it to save money.

maybe we give them our first round pick in 2011 plus t.a. and scal.

they give us pryzbilla + the 32nd and/or the 38th picks.


they have the 24, 55, and 56 as well.