Lucky17's Yahoo! FBB H2H League: 2011-12 season: Draft on Wed, Oct 12, noon EST?

[Lucky17]

I thought an expanded lottery was up for discussion for next season. I don't remember agreeing to open things up for this year.

I completely screwed up the order but the point stands. So Yahoo has already culled most of last season's message board. (Maybe we should get in to the habit of beginning a new CB thread every fantasy season for easier record keeping?)

But here is one relevant posts from 2010's offseason:

I've got no problem with a lottery for the 12 non-playoff teams.  I think it's a pretty solid idea, although I think it's more of a "for fun" thing, than a huge deterrent to tanking (because the lottery hasn't really stopped "real" teams from tanking for a better percentage).  Anyway, each of the 12 owners could simply align their fortune to one of the NBA lottery teams, sort of like we do now with the bottom 5.

I don't know if I would want to give all non-playoff teams a shot at the #1. That's over half the league, and I envision people choosing to tank to miss the playoffs rather than fight for an 8-seed.

Maybe open the lottery up to the bottom 8?

[hpantazo]

when in the name of god did i miss my pick please remember me

p.s. i think it was rashard, but want to be sure, he better be healthy and in other team next year

Haven't you answered your own question, maybe in classic "Ask Edgar" fashion? You included your pick in your trade with celtsrp33 (Make Me Some Bacon) for Rashard Lewis.

The original trade was with Rondo2287, but yeah, it was in the Rashard deal.

I got plenty of 1st round picks to trade if you're interested Edgar, just send me an offer.

[hpantazo]

I thought an expanded lottery was up for discussion for next season. I don't remember agreeing to open things up for this year.

I completely screwed up the order but the point stands. So Yahoo has already culled most of last season's message board. (Maybe we should get in to the habit of beginning a new CB thread every fantasy season for easier record keeping?)

But here is one relevant posts from 2010's offseason:

I've got no problem with a lottery for the 12 non-playoff teams.  I think it's a pretty solid idea, although I think it's more of a "for fun" thing, than a huge deterrent to tanking (because the lottery hasn't really stopped "real" teams from tanking for a better percentage).  Anyway, each of the 12 owners could simply align their fortune to one of the NBA lottery teams, sort of like we do now with the bottom 5.

I don't know if I would want to give all non-playoff teams a shot at the #1. That's over half the league, and I envision people choosing to tank to miss the playoffs rather than fight for an 8-seed.

Maybe open the lottery up to the bottom 8?

a lottery for the bottom 8 sounds good, although I would imagine it would have to start next year, not this year's draft

[Edgar]

when in the name of god did i miss my pick please remember me

p.s. i think it was rashard, but want to be sure, he better be healthy and in other team next year

Haven't you answered your own question, maybe in classic "Ask Edgar" fashion? You included your pick in your trade with celtsrp33 (Make Me Some Bacon) for Rashard Lewis.

The original trade was with Rondo2287, but yeah, it was in the Rashard deal.

I got plenty of 1st round picks to trade if you're interested Edgar, just send me an offer.

I will ty all.

[hpantazo]

when in the name of god did i miss my pick please remember me

p.s. i think it was rashard, but want to be sure, he better be healthy and in other team next year

Haven't you answered your own question, maybe in classic "Ask Edgar" fashion? You included your pick in your trade with celtsrp33 (Make Me Some Bacon) for Rashard Lewis.

The original trade was with Rondo2287, but yeah, it was in the Rashard deal.

I got plenty of 1st round picks to trade if you're interested Edgar, just send me an offer.

I will ty all.

Sure, I have the 7th, 11th, 14th, and 16th picks, one of which was I believe originally yours. Any and all are available for the right offer.

[The Walker Wiggle]

when in the name of god did i miss my pick please remember me

p.s. i think it was rashard, but want to be sure, he better be healthy and in other team next year

Haven't you answered your own question, maybe in classic "Ask Edgar" fashion? You included your pick in your trade with celtsrp33 (Make Me Some Bacon) for Rashard Lewis.

The original trade was with Rondo2287, but yeah, it was in the Rashard deal.

Thanks Roy, that's right. There was a second deal.

Anyway, Lucky you should probably edit my "suggested" draft order out of your reply. However the lottery is settled I screwed it all up.

If opened up to all non-playoff teams I *believe* draft order is actually:

1. KG All-Stars (13)
2. Gomesfan (20)
3. jgod213 (15)
4. Make Me Some Bacon (19)
5. Designated Drinkers (18)
6. Wide Loaders (17)
7. Kwhit (16)
8. Toine's Boys (14)
9. Birdman (12)

But either way, I don't think Kwhit - with the league's fifth worst record - jumps up the the 3rd spot. Sacramento was awarded fifth best odds in the NBA lottery via a tiebreaker with New Jersey. This would mean either jgod213 earns the third pick - via Utah courtesy of New Jersey - or he's ineligible being outside the top five, and there are no changes at all to the top of the draft order.

What to proof my work again Roy?

[Lucky17]

Anyway, Lucky you should probably edit my "suggested" draft order out of your reply. However the lottery is settled I screwed it all up.

If opened up to all non-playoff teams I *believe* draft order is actually:

1. KG All-Stars (13)
2. Gomesfan (20)
3. jgod213 (15)
4. Make Me Some Bacon (19)
5. Designated Drinkers (18)
6. Wide Loaders (17)
7. Kwhit (16)
8. Toine's Boys (14)
9. Birdman (12)

But either way, I don't think Kwhit - with the league's fifth worst record - jumps up the the 3rd spot. Sacramento was awarded fifth best odds in the NBA lottery via a tiebreaker with New Jersey. This would mean either jgod213 earns the third pick - via Utah courtesy of New Jersey - or he's ineligible being outside the top five, and there are no changes at all to the top of the draft order.

What to proof my work again Roy?

Good catch. For some reason, I thought Jersey was 5th, and Sacto 6th.

Since it's the other way around, there is no change to the draft order.

[The Walker Wiggle]

I don't know if I would want to give all non-playoff teams a shot at the #1. That's over half the league, and I envision people choosing to tank to miss the playoffs rather than fight for an 8-seed.

Maybe open the lottery up to the bottom 8?

The bottom 9 through 12 teams collectively have a 4.3% chance of earning the 1st pick, and we already have teams jockeying to avoid the 8th seed. So I'm not sure there's cause for concern.

a lottery for the bottom 8 sounds good, although I would imagine it would have to start next year, not this year's draft

Well, except I suggested it back in 2010 along with a bad idea to award a higher pick to the winner of the consolation bracket.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Anyway, if no one else's recollection matches my own, I happily defer to our commish. I've had no luck finding an archive of our Yahoo league message board.

Also fun just to note that all eight of last season's playoff teams dealt their first round picks in this draft.

[Roy H.]

I don't know if I would want to give all non-playoff teams a shot at the #1. That's over half the league, and I envision people choosing to tank to miss the playoffs rather than fight for an 8-seed.

Maybe open the lottery up to the bottom 8?

I like the idea of giving the bottom 12 a shot, especially because the odds are so low; I don't think anybody will tank out of the playoffs 0.7% shot at moving up in the draft.  It just makes things more clean, and gives that glimmer of hope to teams that just missed.

However, bottom 8 is better than bottom 5, in my mind.

[Lucky17]

I just don't remember much being settled about the lottery. I do recall more traction on waiver priority and end picks of the 1st round for the league winner and runner-up.

For our summer GM meeting, let's put an expanded lottery on the docket for resolution (see new poll!).

Any other items for discussion, post them here.

[hpantazo]

I just don't remember much being settled about the lottery. I do recall more traction on waiver priority and end picks of the 1st round for the league winner and runner-up.

For our summer GM meeting, let's put an expanded lottery on the docket for resolution (see new poll!).

Any other items for discussion, post them here.

I haven't been in the league a full season so I can't say for sure what was settled or not, but from my recollection the discussion of a lottery had never been settled. I like the idea of a lottery for the bottom 8, but I think it should be clearly settled early in a season before it is put into effect.

[The Walker Wiggle]

I just don't remember much being settled about the lottery. I do recall more traction on waiver priority and end picks of the 1st round for the league winner and runner-up.

For our summer GM meeting, let's put an expanded lottery on the docket for resolution (see new poll!).

Any other items for discussion, post them here.

The poll is dead, long live the poll.

When did we settle waiver priority? I still claim first dibs as regular season winner. I do agree that the 19th and 20th picks are now a settled matter as is limiting roster moves during the playoffs. Although I'd like to suggest that going forward we allow at least two moves per post-season week. That would still prevent corny cycling but would also give managers more flexibility in the event of injury or poor decision making. (Trust me sitting on an injured, third string Earl Boykins for six days isn't that fun.)

[Lucky17]

I just don't remember much being settled about the lottery. I do recall more traction on waiver priority and end picks of the 1st round for the league winner and runner-up.

For our summer GM meeting, let's put an expanded lottery on the docket for resolution (see new poll!).

Any other items for discussion, post them here.

The poll is dead, long live the poll.

When did we settle waiver priority? I still claim first dibs as regular season winner. I do agree that the 19th and 20th picks are now a settled matter as is limiting roster moves during the playoffs. Although I'd like to suggest that going forward we allow at least two moves per post-season week. That would still prevent corny cycling but would also give managers more flexibility in the event of injury or poor decision making. (Trust me sitting on an injured, third string Earl Boykins for six days isn't that fun.)

I thought it was league winner gaining #1 priority. But now I am confused, thinking it was regular-season winner getting it.

Agreed on the playoff moves cap. More than 2 is needed.

[Roy H.]

I don't really agree with lifting / increasing the moves cap in the playoffs.  Again, in the "real" NBA, teams don't get to make any roster moves.  The concept of playoffs is to allow the teams from the regular season to duke it out.  Why allow teams to completely change their rosters (or, more likely, constantly rotate one or two players to maximize games played)?

The one move per week allows teams that legitimately suffer injuries to switch in players; that's a max of three moves in the playoffs, which I think is plenty.

I just don't see the pressing need to reward teams with fluid rosters, as opposed to teams with rosters that are set.  If people don't like sitting on Earl Boynkins, then don't be so quick to add him when you cycle in new players, or, in the alternative, replace him with one of your moves.  I don't see why 2 -- or especially, more than 2 -- roster moves is wise, let alone necessary.