Celtics Should Go to Perk More Often

[Bankshot]

I don't think they utilize his offense as much as they should or could.  It seems that when he's involved offensively, his whole game is better (who wouldn't look better if they were scoring more points).  He just seems to work that much harder on everything else, including rebounding, when he is trusted on the offensive end.  Maybe it makes him feel more important to the team when he's involved offensively?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think we go to Perk often enough. It simply can't happen every game. You've got to go to Pierce... you've got go more to KG, you've got to go more to Rondo, you've got to go more to Ray, etc. etc. Then you consider that Ray, Pierce, and KG alone need a huge bulk of the touches.

Overall it's quite hard and at times impossible to just go to all of them at the adequate amount and have the offense running a smoothly as possible. You go to Perk, maybe you start messing with Ray's touches, etc. So I don't think it's as simple as "we have to go to Perk more often".

[wdleehi]

I think with a player like Perk, the amount they go to him has to be dictated by:

1) the matchup.  Smaller and weaker players should be abused.

2) Who is out there.  Maybe he has an advantage, but if one of the three stars also have an advantage, the ball should go to the star.

[Kwhit10]

I think we go to Perk often enough. It simply can't happen every game. You've got to go to Pierce... you've got go more to KG, you've got to go more to Rondo, you've got to go more to Ray, etc. etc. Then you consider that Ray, Pierce, and KG alone need a huge bulk of the touches.

Overall it's quite hard and at times impossible to just go to all of them at the adequate amount and have the offense running a smoothly as possible. You go to Perk, maybe you start messing with Ray's touches, etc. So I don't think it's as simple as "we have to go to Perk more often".

I don't think this team is about going to a guy just to give him his touches.  It seems Perk has developed nice post moves and can hit those shots at a good percentage.  Isn't this team about just getting the points and winning games, not brushing someones ego by giving them touches?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think we go to Perk often enough. It simply can't happen every game. You've got to go to Pierce... you've got go more to KG, you've got to go more to Rondo, you've got to go more to Ray, etc. etc. Then you consider that Ray, Pierce, and KG alone need a huge bulk of the touches.

Overall it's quite hard and at times impossible to just go to all of them at the adequate amount and have the offense running a smoothly as possible. You go to Perk, maybe you start messing with Ray's touches, etc. So I don't think it's as simple as "we have to go to Perk more often".

I don't think this team is about going to a guy just to give him his touches.  It seems Perk has developed nice post moves and can hit those shots at a good percentage.  Isn't this team about just getting the points and winning games, not brushing someones ego by giving them touches?

Did I say anything about brushing someone's ego? Ray needs his touches to play effectively, for example... it's as simple as that. And if I had to decide on who I want to get it going, I'll take Ray over Perkins 10 times out of 10.

[wdleehi]

I think we go to Perk often enough. It simply can't happen every game. You've got to go to Pierce... you've got go more to KG, you've got to go more to Rondo, you've got to go more to Ray, etc. etc. Then you consider that Ray, Pierce, and KG alone need a huge bulk of the touches.

Overall it's quite hard and at times impossible to just go to all of them at the adequate amount and have the offense running a smoothly as possible. You go to Perk, maybe you start messing with Ray's touches, etc. So I don't think it's as simple as "we have to go to Perk more often".

I don't think this team is about going to a guy just to give him his touches.  It seems Perk has developed nice post moves and can hit those shots at a good percentage.  Isn't this team about just getting the points and winning games, not brushing someones ego by giving them touches?

Did I say anything about brushing someone's ego? Ray needs his touches to play effectively, for example... it's as simple as that. And if I had to decide on who I want to get it going, I'll take Ray over Perkins 10 times out of 10.

It depends.

I would definitly try to work Perkins against an Odom if Ray is being guarded by Kobe.  Not every time mind you. 

[Kwhit10]

I think we go to Perk often enough. It simply can't happen every game. You've got to go to Pierce... you've got go more to KG, you've got to go more to Rondo, you've got to go more to Ray, etc. etc. Then you consider that Ray, Pierce, and KG alone need a huge bulk of the touches.

Overall it's quite hard and at times impossible to just go to all of them at the adequate amount and have the offense running a smoothly as possible. You go to Perk, maybe you start messing with Ray's touches, etc. So I don't think it's as simple as "we have to go to Perk more often".

I don't think this team is about going to a guy just to give him his touches.  It seems Perk has developed nice post moves and can hit those shots at a good percentage.  Isn't this team about just getting the points and winning games, not brushing someones ego by giving them touches?

Did I say anything about brushing someone's ego? Ray needs his touches to play effectively, for example... it's as simple as that. And if I had to decide on who I want to get it going, I'll take Ray over Perkins 10 times out of 10.

But it isn't the same case with Ray, he is much more efficient than he has been.  He doesn't need a ton of touches to be successful, like may have been in years past.  Especially as mentioned if Perks match up is favorable I'd rather have him shooting a shot that is a 60% to go in than a 40% shot to go in.

[Fafnir]

I think with a player like Perk, the amount they go to him has to be dictated by:

1) the matchup.  Smaller and weaker players should be abused.

2) Who is out there.  Maybe he has an advantage, but if one of the three stars also have an advantage, the ball should go to the star.

Perkins had a couple of nice passes out of the post for opener jumpers too. I actually like the team posting Perkins a few times each game. More if the match up is rather favorable.

Of course most of his points should still be on dishes for easy dunks by his teammates.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think we go to Perk often enough. It simply can't happen every game. You've got to go to Pierce... you've got go more to KG, you've got to go more to Rondo, you've got to go more to Ray, etc. etc. Then you consider that Ray, Pierce, and KG alone need a huge bulk of the touches.

Overall it's quite hard and at times impossible to just go to all of them at the adequate amount and have the offense running a smoothly as possible. You go to Perk, maybe you start messing with Ray's touches, etc. So I don't think it's as simple as "we have to go to Perk more often".

I don't think this team is about going to a guy just to give him his touches.  It seems Perk has developed nice post moves and can hit those shots at a good percentage.  Isn't this team about just getting the points and winning games, not brushing someones ego by giving them touches?

Did I say anything about brushing someone's ego? Ray needs his touches to play effectively, for example... it's as simple as that. And if I had to decide on who I want to get it going, I'll take Ray over Perkins 10 times out of 10.

But it isn't the same case with Ray, he is much more efficient than he has been.  He doesn't need a ton of touches to be successful, like may have been in years past.  Especially as mentioned if Perks match up is favorable I'd rather have him shooting a shot that is a 60% to go in than a 40% shot to go in.

Ray Allen is a rhythm player. It's not about him being efficient or not, maybe he's efficient because he's in a good rhythm. You go away from him, for example, to get others going and you may mess up with his rhythm making him less efficient.

This is just an example, and I'm not condoning going away from Perk. I just don't think we need to go to him MORE. And I don't think you can go to him as often as some people here might want to, while keeping your key people in a good rhythm and running the offense adequately.

[Bankshot]

I think the C's should go to Perk more, not just for his confidence, but the C's could use some inside scoring.  They only have BBD and Powe for that and there are times when they are just too short to be effective depending on the matchup.  Like Rondo, when Perk scores, the Celtics are really, really good.  Just gives them another offensive option and a decent one considering most of Perk's points are easy baskets.

[Greenbean]

I totally agree with this only I would do it early in games. I think we did this alot last year and it reminded me of the old Bulls teams going inside to a guy like Luke Longly early in games. You are right by saying it gets Perk a little more involved mentally and establishes some physicality down low. In conclusion, early, but not often.

[KCattheStripe]

I think with a player like Perk, the amount they go to him has to be dictated by:

1) the matchup.  Smaller and weaker players should be abused.

2) Who is out there.  Maybe he has an advantage, but if one of the three stars also have an advantage, the ball should go to the star.

I think you can give Perk with one of the first touches in the game regardless of the matchup ( well maybe not regardless, probably wouldn't go to him early versus Shaq.) He has become more creative with his shot selection and has become really good at using his strength to create room for that little fade away,  the one he kept burning Sheed with.

[moiso]

If he's going to go after rebounds harder with a few more touches then it could be a good thing.  But there is always the risk of Perk not catching the pass unless its a basic one.

[ManUp]

I think we go to him often enough. He turns the ball over a lot when he tries to create shots for himself. If he wants to score more he has to stop winding up for slams, and go at the offensive boards harder. Unless the match-up of is favorable or has been successful he shouldn't be posting up more than 3 times a game. Last night he did both, and ended up having a great offensive game (great game all around).

[pearljammer10]

Oddly enough i agree with this. There was once a time when I would rather have Paul Pierce kick the ball through the hoop rather than feed Perkins in the post. Now, he's got a nice catalogue of moves down low and has no problem backing his man (whose usually much much smaller) down to the basket. Especially with KG I could see Perk's touches going up a bit.

Plus he is always open underneath when Rondo or Pierce drives, he just needs to let the ball come to him rather than slap his hard hands at the ball.