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Re: Report: Moore to Accept C's offer
« Reply #180 on: February 23, 2009, 10:28:20 PM »

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Listen I'll be the first to admit that I'd like our bench to be a bit more solid and I by no means think Ainge is infallible.  BUT, in reading through 12 pages of comments I have yet to see someone identify a player that would actually shore up the bench besides Posey who I love to death but just isn't worth a 4 year deal at his age.  I want to hear serious free agents that we missed out on that we could have gotten before I will Ainge was a failure as a GM this past year.
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Re: Report: Moore to Accept C's offer
« Reply #181 on: February 23, 2009, 10:32:01 PM »

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What's silly is people continuing to act like Danny Ainge can do no wrong - when the evidence is quite clear in the other direction.

The man had a great summer 2007. He has done nothing since game 6 of the Finals to help this club repeat. A versatile wing is an absolute necessity if you intend to pinch pennies with Posey. Instead, we get Tony Allen. Strike one - compounded by the fact that the injury prone Mr. Allen has now checked out for the regular season, creating a situation where we have no veteran whatsoever behind Pierce. Godspeed, Billy Walker. Another strike.

PJ retires. No one's fault. But it's again an absolute necessity to get a competent backup 5. Instead, we get O'Blount. Strike two.

Plus, we've not settled on a backup PG, thanks to Pruitt's erratic play.

Danny did an atrocious job last summer, so much so that this team's playoff future is severely handicapped. He's in a performance business, and some of you need to get it through your heads that last year is over. He's not dumb enough to throw the season under the bus for 2013, like some of you are trying to convince yourselves, but he's clearly been unable to adequately equip this team for a serious Finals run.

There are no free passes for one good year, and no doctrine of Ainge Infallability, either. This season's going to end early without significant help.

His performance isn't over. He still has 2 roster spots that he is looking to fill and we'll see what we get. He didn't have a great offseason, but he didn't have an awful one either.

As you said, PJ decided to retire so there's nothing we can do about that. The other center options were either out of our price range (Kurt Thomas) or not good (Elson). DA took a chance that a guy who had loads of talent would put it together in O'Bryant, but that didn't work. But that's not a failure because he got rid of O'Bryant and might sign a better big man then there were available during the offseason in Mikki Moore (or even better Joe Smith). If we get Mikki Moore or Joe Smith, that's a good job of replacing PJ figuring what was available.

In regards to Posey, he was overpaid by the Hornets and they are paying the price for it by having to unload Chandler before it was rescinded. TA was a solid signing for the money. He is injured, but injuries happen. It doesn't have to do with his knee...it's a freak thumb injury. Pietrus and James Jones (2 other options) have also been injured for much of the year.

For the backup pg, we brought back Cassell and he ended up being too old. BTW, chances are the same might have happened to PJ if we had decided to bring him back. DA decided to give Pruitt an opportunity to succeed like he gave Rondo last year. Pruitt has had some good moments, but overall hasn't succeeded IMO. But there's a good chance that we get a Marbury or some other veteran pg.

Lets not judge Ainge's roster moves before it's over. Last year he added PJ and Cassell after the trade deadline. Lets see who he adds this year and what they contribute to our team. And don't forget that PJ was horrible during the regular season, the Hawks series and only started to really contribute in the middle of the Cleveland series. People are romaticicing the contributions of Posey and especially PJ too much. If PJ doesn't hit that huge jumper in game 7, I don't think the opinion of him would be nearly as high.

Re: Report: Moore to Accept C's offer
« Reply #182 on: February 23, 2009, 10:41:35 PM »

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What's silly is people continuing to act like Danny Ainge can do no wrong - when the evidence is quite clear in the other direction.

The man had a great summer 2007. He has done nothing since game 6 of the Finals to help this club repeat. A versatile wing is an absolute necessity if you intend to pinch pennies with Posey. Instead, we get Tony Allen. Strike one - compounded by the fact that the injury prone Mr. Allen has now checked out for the regular season, creating a situation where we have no veteran whatsoever behind Pierce. Godspeed, Billy Walker. Another strike.

PJ retires. No one's fault. But it's again an absolute necessity to get a competent backup 5. Instead, we get O'Blount. Strike two.

Plus, we've not settled on a backup PG, thanks to Pruitt's erratic play.

Danny did an atrocious job last summer, so much so that this team's playoff future is severely handicapped. He's in a performance business, and some of you need to get it through your heads that last year is over. He's not dumb enough to throw the season under the bus for 2013, like some of you are trying to convince yourselves, but he's clearly been unable to adequately equip this team for a serious Finals run.

There are no free passes for one good year, and no doctrine of Ainge Infallability, either. This season's going to end early without significant help.

Ainge has a championship...do you? It's truely weird that you think that Ainge can't do things because he isn't up to the challenge. You're not dealing with any of the other parameters besides talent. I really don't think you get the complexity of the position that Ainge has. Being a critic is the easiest of jobs....

Re: Report: Moore to Accept C's offer
« Reply #183 on: February 23, 2009, 11:01:31 PM »

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What's silly is people continuing to act like Danny Ainge can do no wrong - when the evidence is quite clear in the other direction.

The man had a great summer 2007. He has done nothing since game 6 of the Finals to help this club repeat. A versatile wing is an absolute necessity if you intend to pinch pennies with Posey. Instead, we get Tony Allen. Strike one - compounded by the fact that the injury prone Mr. Allen has now checked out for the regular season, creating a situation where we have no veteran whatsoever behind Pierce. Godspeed, Billy Walker. Another strike.

PJ retires. No one's fault. But it's again an absolute necessity to get a competent backup 5. Instead, we get O'Blount. Strike two.

Plus, we've not settled on a backup PG, thanks to Pruitt's erratic play.

Danny did an atrocious job last summer, so much so that this team's playoff future is severely handicapped. He's in a performance business, and some of you need to get it through your heads that last year is over. He's not dumb enough to throw the season under the bus for 2013, like some of you are trying to convince yourselves, but he's clearly been unable to adequately equip this team for a serious Finals run.

There are no free passes for one good year, and no doctrine of Ainge Infallability, either. This season's going to end early without significant help.

What's our record? Who put this team together? We are still the champs. I think you get a free pass at least as long as you are the champs. If we don't win it all this year then you can start Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing...

Re: Report: Moore to Accept C's offer
« Reply #184 on: February 23, 2009, 11:23:41 PM »

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wow, talk about over reaction.

Moore is actually a better fit than Joe Smith for our needs considering our glut of pf's and lack of length.  Asking Joe Smith to be the back-line defender is a bit much.  Mikki on the other hand, is tough as nails and will provide the length we need to defend the bigger front lines around the league, and he can hit that mid range jumper that Joe relies on.  Great move.  

I expect Ainge to bring Sam I Am back, too.  There is your veteran pg plus he knows the system plus he has fresh legs (unlike Steff who hasn't even practiced this year).  Another Great move.

And then there is the whole best starting 5 in the league argument.  And our three very solid bench rotation players in Leon, Eddie and Baby - all who play multiple positions.

I just don't understand these 13 pages mostly filled with complaints.  LOL, look at the scoreboard right now for cripes sake!  Were up by 37 on the third best team in the West -- without KG!!  
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Re: Report: Moore to Accept C's offer
« Reply #185 on: February 23, 2009, 11:28:37 PM »

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Who else brings a 7 footer as good as Moore off of there bench? He's just a backup. Good job Danny.

Re: Report: Moore to Accept C's offer
« Reply #186 on: February 23, 2009, 11:37:16 PM »

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What's silly is people continuing to act like Danny Ainge can do no wrong - when the evidence is quite clear in the other direction.

The man had a great summer 2007. He has done nothing since game 6 of the Finals to help this club repeat. A versatile wing is an absolute necessity if you intend to pinch pennies with Posey. Instead, we get Tony Allen. Strike one - compounded by the fact that the injury prone Mr. Allen has now checked out for the regular season, creating a situation where we have no veteran whatsoever behind Pierce. Godspeed, Billy Walker. Another strike.

PJ retires. No one's fault. But it's again an absolute necessity to get a competent backup 5. Instead, we get O'Blount. Strike two.

Plus, we've not settled on a backup PG, thanks to Pruitt's erratic play.

Danny did an atrocious job last summer, so much so that this team's playoff future is severely handicapped. He's in a performance business, and some of you need to get it through your heads that last year is over. He's not dumb enough to throw the season under the bus for 2013, like some of you are trying to convince yourselves, but he's clearly been unable to adequately equip this team for a serious Finals run.

There are no free passes for one good year, and no doctrine of Ainge Infallability, either. This season's going to end early without significant help.

His performance isn't over. He still has 2 roster spots that he is looking to fill and we'll see what we get. He didn't have a great offseason, but he didn't have an awful one either.

As you said, PJ decided to retire so there's nothing we can do about that. The other center options were either out of our price range (Kurt Thomas) or not good (Elson). DA took a chance that a guy who had loads of talent would put it together in O'Bryant, but that didn't work. But that's not a failure because he got rid of O'Bryant and might sign a better big man then there were available during the offseason in Mikki Moore (or even better Joe Smith). If we get Mikki Moore or Joe Smith, that's a good job of replacing PJ figuring what was available.

In regards to Posey, he was overpaid by the Hornets and they are paying the price for it by having to unload Chandler before it was rescinded. TA was a solid signing for the money. He is injured, but injuries happen. It doesn't have to do with his knee...it's a freak thumb injury. Pietrus and James Jones (2 other options) have also been injured for much of the year.

For the backup pg, we brought back Cassell and he ended up being too old. BTW, chances are the same might have happened to PJ if we had decided to bring him back. DA decided to give Pruitt an opportunity to succeed like he gave Rondo last year. Pruitt has had some good moments, but overall hasn't succeeded IMO. But there's a good chance that we get a Marbury or some other veteran pg.

Lets not judge Ainge's roster moves before it's over. Last year he added PJ and Cassell after the trade deadline. Lets see who he adds this year and what they contribute to our team. And don't forget that PJ was horrible during the regular season, the Hawks series and only started to really contribute in the middle of the Cleveland series. People are romaticicing the contributions of Posey and especially PJ too much. If PJ doesn't hit that huge jumper in game 7, I don't think the opinion of him would be nearly as high.

I made a similar post last week in the Offseason Failure thread.  There were no good big men, DA tried to buy low on a guy w/high potential.  Problem was is POB is a 7ft GGreen, skills w/no brain.  The only real answer I could get was Matt Barnes at the wing and this if I remeber correctly was a result of waiting it out on Pose.  I'm not saying DA had a great offseason, I'm just saying that DA didn't have a lot to work with.  Few tradable assets, little cap space and a poor mid-level FA class.  Even if he drafted the second coming of Milsap he probably would not see pt b/c that is not Docs style.

Also, I think a lot of people have subjective memories and do not remember how bad Sam was and how PJ really struggled until the last 8 games of the season.  I think Mikey is an alright pickup.  We need a guy to play 10 min TOPS in the playoffs, if he can alter shots and hit a couple 15fters during that time then he is a good pickup.  Would I perfer Smith? Absolutely! But last I looked he was not bought out yet.  If he's not then BBD is the back up C and we are worse off.  Is this team deeper and better than it was a week ago?  Yes.  Is it marginal?  Yes. Is anyone out better? No. 

Grass is always greener though.


Re: Report: Moore to Accept C's offer
« Reply #187 on: February 23, 2009, 11:42:21 PM »

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Re: Report: Moore to Accept C's offer
« Reply #188 on: February 24, 2009, 11:26:07 AM »

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What's silly is people continuing to act like Danny Ainge can do no wrong - when the evidence is quite clear in the other direction.

The man had a great summer 2007. He has done nothing since game 6 of the Finals to help this club repeat. A versatile wing is an absolute necessity if you intend to pinch pennies with Posey. Instead, we get Tony Allen. Strike one - compounded by the fact that the injury prone Mr. Allen has now checked out for the regular season, creating a situation where we have no veteran whatsoever behind Pierce. Godspeed, Billy Walker. Another strike.

PJ retires. No one's fault. But it's again an absolute necessity to get a competent backup 5. Instead, we get O'Blount. Strike two.

Plus, we've not settled on a backup PG, thanks to Pruitt's erratic play.

Danny did an atrocious job last summer, so much so that this team's playoff future is severely handicapped. He's in a performance business, and some of you need to get it through your heads that last year is over. He's not dumb enough to throw the season under the bus for 2013, like some of you are trying to convince yourselves, but he's clearly been unable to adequately equip this team for a serious Finals run.

There are no free passes for one good year, and no doctrine of Ainge Infallability, either. This season's going to end early without significant help.

Ainge has a championship...do you? It's truely weird that you think that Ainge can't do things because he isn't up to the challenge. You're not dealing with any of the other parameters besides talent. I really don't think you get the complexity of the position that Ainge has. Being a critic is the easiest of jobs....

whats silly is that its considered equivlent to saying danny is a horrid GM to point out the obvious about our offseason, that we didnt make any effective moves to replace 2 key losses. I understand that he didnt have alot to work with, that doesnt change the fact that he didn't ge tthe job done. Being a Gm is a tough job, and i don't think he put us in the best position to have an effective playoff bench.

I can think danny's a good GM yet think he dropped the ball on the bench this summer, the two are not mutualy exclusive.
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Re: Report: Moore to Accept C's offer
« Reply #189 on: February 24, 2009, 11:35:08 AM »

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Re: Report: Moore to Accept C's offer
« Reply #190 on: February 24, 2009, 12:07:51 PM »

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Re: Report: Moore to Accept C's offer
« Reply #191 on: February 24, 2009, 12:13:52 PM »

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Re: Report: Moore to Accept C's offer
« Reply #192 on: February 24, 2009, 12:18:38 PM »

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Well, he is not Joe Smith, but the C's are a better team today than they were yesterday, and that is what matters.  Now hopefully they can use the other roster spot on a player who is higher impact, and they will be set.

Re: Report: Moore to Accept C's offer
« Reply #193 on: February 24, 2009, 02:50:21 PM »

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The offseason looks a little different when you are coming off a championship.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.  And it's tough to make moves when you have a 75 million-dollar payroll in which 3 players make 60 million and the other 12 players make a combined 15 million.  It's tough to make salaries match without depleting your roster.

The notion that "Ainge had a terrible offseason" is just silly.  They didn't resign Posey for financial reasons.  That doesn't make it a "terrible offseason."

Talking to CoachBo about the business of the NBA is like talking to a brick wall...in addition to never providing a list of plausible candidates for signing AND accurately projecting their salaries and contract lengths, he never considers the opportunity costs of signing those players.

Most who criticize Ainge not signing players don't account for who the team could sign down the road by passing on those players short term.

Personally, I think Moore is about as good as any backup big that was on the market for short years and money - none on the market were worth mid-level money...though there are some coming up this off-season...

Posey sure as hell wasn't worth mid-level money - and with guys like Charlie V, Sheed, AI, Nate Robinson, etc...all coming onto the market this year, there will be substantially better talent available a a good price...

If this team gets Marbury and Moore they basically got as good if not better talent than they could have signed in the off-season...since it was the plan to play the waiver game and the team is 46-12, i'm not seeing the "disaster" at all...

Re: Report: Moore to Accept C's offer
« Reply #194 on: February 24, 2009, 02:52:17 PM »

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What's silly is people continuing to act like Danny Ainge can do no wrong - when the evidence is quite clear in the other direction.

The man had a great summer 2007. He has done nothing since game 6 of the Finals to help this club repeat. A versatile wing is an absolute necessity if you intend to pinch pennies with Posey. Instead, we get Tony Allen. Strike one - compounded by the fact that the injury prone Mr. Allen has now checked out for the regular season, creating a situation where we have no veteran whatsoever behind Pierce. Godspeed, Billy Walker. Another strike.

PJ retires. No one's fault. But it's again an absolute necessity to get a competent backup 5. Instead, we get O'Blount. Strike two.

Plus, we've not settled on a backup PG, thanks to Pruitt's erratic play.

Danny did an atrocious job last summer, so much so that this team's playoff future is severely handicapped. He's in a performance business, and some of you need to get it through your heads that last year is over. He's not dumb enough to throw the season under the bus for 2013, like some of you are trying to convince yourselves, but he's clearly been unable to adequately equip this team for a serious Finals run.

There are no free passes for one good year, and no doctrine of Ainge Infallability, either. This season's going to end early without significant help.

Pure conjecture passed as fact - brought to you by "the coach"...thanks coach...