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Re: Danny Messed up the Giddens pick
« Reply #60 on: February 18, 2009, 03:14:57 PM »

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No matter who was picked there, they wouldn't be playing. 

but would they movable....which is really the question at this point...

If they weren't playing, then probably not. 

Re: Danny Messed up the Giddens pick
« Reply #61 on: February 18, 2009, 03:21:20 PM »

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No matter who was picked there, they wouldn't be playing. 

but would they movable....which is really the question at this point...

If they weren't playing, then probably not. 

the only player that i really think he could move is Jordan.

Walker too, but it seems that they want to keep him...

Chalmers, maybe...

Re: Danny Messed up the Giddens pick
« Reply #62 on: February 18, 2009, 03:27:04 PM »

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No matter who was picked there, they wouldn't be playing. 

but would they movable....which is really the question at this point...

If they weren't playing, then probably not. 

the only player that i really think he could move is Jordan.

Walker too, but it seems that they want to keep him...

Chalmers, maybe...

I don't think any of them would be getting a first round pick...and that is reportedly what Danny was trying to get for Giddens (which was pretty ridiculous when you think about it).


Re: Danny Messed up the Giddens pick
« Reply #63 on: February 18, 2009, 04:05:37 PM »

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given our need for a big man, I think Danny should have rolled the dice with Jordan, who seems like he can contribute backup minutes at the 5, and give us good length and athleticism at the position.

Re: Danny Messed up the Giddens pick
« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2009, 04:07:03 PM »

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given our need for a big man, I think Danny should have rolled the dice with Jordan, who seems like he can contribute backup minutes at the 5, and give us good length and athleticism at the position.

Jordan wouldn't be playing any more than POB has. 

Re: Danny Messed up the Giddens pick
« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2009, 04:24:36 PM »

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jordan would most definately be playing he would be the most athletic big we have, including more athletic than garnett

He has had a 23 pt game and a 20 rebound this season.

It is embarassing for him to be mentioned in the same breath as POB

Why is the viewpoint so green tinted all the time, people have no sense of objectivity on these boards

Re: Danny Messed up the Giddens pick
« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2009, 04:25:09 PM »

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Maybe, but who knows. Way too early to tell. Chalmers would not have gotten the minutes here he was handed in Miami and CDR is doing nothing in NJ why would he anything on this team?

Too early to tell besides

Most people "miss" on the last pick in the first round and honestly you dont know for a couple years at least. Pitino "missed" on the billups pick....JR could very easily become a servicable player in the league which is a hit, if you ask me, with the 30th pick in the draft

Re: Danny Messed up the Giddens pick
« Reply #67 on: February 18, 2009, 04:33:31 PM »

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jordan would most definately be playing he would be the most athletic big we have, including more athletic than garnett

He has had a 23 pt game and a 20 rebound this season.

It is embarassing for him to be mentioned in the same breath as POB

Why is the viewpoint so green tinted all the time, people have no sense of objectivity on these boards

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199604120BOS.html

Re: Danny Messed up the Giddens pick
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2009, 05:52:40 PM »

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jordan would most definately be playing he would be the most athletic big we have, including more athletic than garnett

He has had a 23 pt game and a 20 rebound this season.

It is embarassing for him to be mentioned in the same breath as POB

Why is the viewpoint so green tinted all the time, people have no sense of objectivity on these boards
He also was covering Bynum most of that same night when he had 42 points.  Scoring 23 isn't a huge deal when you give up 42.

Re: Danny Messed up the Giddens pick
« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2009, 06:53:49 PM »

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this comparing jordan to POB is wasteful. jordan would not be playing. fine. he still has the potential to be a player with some strengths in the nba. he has an nba body, at the very least, and has shown some talent. and despite stereotypes on his work ethic, he sounds to be a good kid and a hard worker.

POB is dead weight. a mediocre team turned down his rookie option despite the fact that he was a lottery pick. even adam morrison got his. then, the guy couldn't get a guaranteed contract. he does not have an nba body. he's lazy. he will not be on the team next year. had they drafted jordan he wouldn't be this year. resistance is useless on this topic. he's terrible.
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Re: Danny Messed up the Giddens pick
« Reply #70 on: February 18, 2009, 10:17:38 PM »

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jordan would most definately be playing he would be the most athletic big we have, including more athletic than garnett

He has had a 23 pt game and a 20 rebound this season.

It is embarassing for him to be mentioned in the same breath as POB

Why is the viewpoint so green tinted all the time, people have no sense of objectivity on these boards

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199604120BOS.html

  Funny. I almost forgot Alton Lister used to be on the team...

Re: Danny Messed up the Giddens pick
« Reply #71 on: February 19, 2009, 06:49:03 AM »

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No matter who was picked there, they wouldn't be playing. 

but would they movable....which is really the question at this point...

If they weren't playing, then probably not. 

Why wouldn't players like Chalmers and Mbah a Moute be playing here? Of course they would, are people actually watching them? They'd be in the rotation of almost every NBA team, if not every single one.

I agree about Jordan and CDR though, I've written plenty of times about CDR's high bust potential before the season.

I don't mind the Giddens pick though, it's impossible to always get the best player still on the board and I like the kid. Now, if Ainge is indeed trying to move him for a draft pick (and he'd probably accept a conditional second), it was the wrong pick to make.

Re: Danny Messed up the Giddens pick
« Reply #72 on: February 19, 2009, 07:44:36 AM »

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Mbah a Moute was less predictable, though he had very good defensive ability in college. from an immediate value perspective the obvious choice was Chalmers, not Giddens or CDR. Many were very high on him as an underrated guy going into the draft. Jordan also would have made some sense.
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Re: Danny Messed up the Giddens pick
« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2009, 09:15:15 AM »

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Jordan is the worst defensive big man in the NBA he is absolutely lost, which is why his stock crashed at the draft.

I don't think you can judge what Ainge did based on the pick of Giddens, which I didn't really like then or now.

Reports were he was simply going to draft Erden with that pick, he didn't want it but couldn't move it.  The problem with taking a Euro project at that point in the draft is that you are almost ensuring they never come overseas, the salary slot is too low.

Ainge has said before there are not many surprises in the draft he probably had the deal in place for Bill Walker before he made the Giddens pick, Walker had made it clear he was unwilling to go overseas so most teams were unwilling to commit a roster spot to him.  I think Bill Walker looks great and is under a great contract at half the value of that 30 slot.

I think he took Giddens as an NBA ready defender as insurance if TA didn't re-sign, and was considering not signing his contract and just burning the pick.  The day after Joe Smith is traded to OKC Ainge signs Giddens in hopes of packaging him with Scal for Smith, to this point no dice.

So the pick of Giddens it self wasn't a great and likely will be forgetable but if you landed a nice piece in Walker and a serviceable big or even a trade asset in Erden it is still a good draft.

Re: Danny Messed up the Giddens pick
« Reply #74 on: February 19, 2009, 11:20:35 AM »

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Mbah a Moute was less predictable, though he had very good defensive ability in college. from an immediate value perspective the obvious choice was Chalmers, not Giddens or CDR. Many were very high on him as an underrated guy going into the draft. Jordan also would have made some sense.

Yeah, even I, a proud owner of a MouteKicksBoute t-shirt since his freshman year and a big fan of how Coach Howland teaches defence have been surprised by how fast he caught up with the NBA game. I never understood how could anyone doubt he'd be able to be a contributor to a NBA team though.

Chalmers I always saw him like a Gerald Henderson type of player and someone who could be our backup PG this season already and for many years to come (or eventually serve as a trade bait). He's even better than expected, but it's no surprise he can play.  About CDR I said several times he'd go undrafted if the Nets didn't have multiple picks. He should have spent this season in the developmental league, he may become a player but he's ways to go. Jordan I didn't want him at all, because of his high bust potential and due to the fact that I never believe that he could contribute this season (too many liabilities that wipe out what he brings to the table at this point of his career, rebounding and open dunks). However, I must reckon he's  been better than I was expecting (better motor, more active and less lethargic). There's still a good chance he'll be out of the league in 2 seasons.


Reports were he was simply going to draft Erden with that pick, he didn't want it but couldn't move it.  The problem with taking a Euro project at that point in the draft is that you are almost ensuring they never come overseas, the salary slot is too low.

I never read those reports, but drafting Erden with the 30th pick would be bizarre - there's a reason why he was still available with the last draft pick.

New Orleans were able to move their pick for 3 million dollars. Ours was slightly worse, but I'm pretty sure it could have been moved, even if for less money.

Anyway, the salary slot can be a problem in those situations, but certainly not in this particular case. The problem you point out exists for players like Splitter or Pekovic, not for Erden who I can't see making #30 pick kind of money ever in his career. Well, maybe if he explodes in the future, but next year he'd be lucky to get a contract for a quarter of Giddens salary.