Danny Messed up the Giddens pick

[Rida]

I'm not arguing what Giddens' potential is.

Maybe the fact that we got Walker unexpectadly has made Giddens expendable.

However I just think that Danny could have done better alot better.

[Brickowski]

No he couldn't have done better.  The only other players worth considering who were on the board at #30 were Mbah a Moute and Walker.  Ainge found a way to get Walker and Mbah a Moute isn't nearly as athletic as Giddens.

I had no interest in Mario Chalmers.  Too small and too inconsistent.

[Who]

Giddens looks a solid pick. Too early to write him off.

[winsomme]

Giddens looks a solid pick. Too early to write him off.

he definitely still is an intriguing pick....but on the point of trying to tweak the bench for this playoff run, it seems that not only is he not going to be in there as a player, but may not be a chip to get something else done...

we have a lot of roster spots tied up in players that aren't really ready to contribute to this years push for a repeat.

POB, JR, Walker and Pruitt....that's a lot of spots to players for down the road...

[ssspence]

Giddens looks a solid pick. Too early to write him off.

based on what? his play in the d-league? he hasn't played a minute and it was clear during training camp he was lost.

i simply don't understand why it's so hard for folks to admit that giddens was not a great pick as a player or an asset. even if you want to claim he and chalmers or jordan are equal prospects, the other two play desirable positions.

take charlotte for example. yes, they've been trying to address their size problems. but don't try to tell me that larry brown would rather have giddens over a legit PG or an athletic 7 footer for raja bell. what's the upside of giddens? maybe raja bell? you see my point. teams build with point gaurds and bigs and go from there.

if danny's been trying to trade giddens all along, he would have been better off trying to trade a point or a big. period.

[yall hate]

Giddens looks a solid pick. Too early to write him off.

based on what? his play in the d-league? he hasn't played a minute and it was clear during training camp he was lost.
 

Then why do you say he wasnt a good pick? areyou basing it on the fact that he was lost in preseason (which is pretty irrelevant for how he will be as he develops)? or based on the fact that he hasnt played for the c's (which means next to nothing when you look at the fact that we have a veteran laden team, and the young guys, like pruitt dont get minutes...).

as you said, he doesnt have enough of a record to determine whether he is a bust or not.

[jambr380]

I still say it is too early to tell.

EDIT: Remember, many people said the same thing about Rondo, Big Al.  Not saying Giddens will be as good, but have some patience!

I don't think anyone said the same thing about Big Al and Rondo. Al was supposed to go much higher and Danny was going to take Rondo with the 7th pick and he fell into his lap in the 20s. They were both somewhat raw out of high school and college, but I think people had high expectations from them from the very beginning.

Giddens has potential, but that is all right now- just wait and see. I do agree that there weren't a lot of other options at the 30 pick, but if Ainge just took Walker with that pick, then no one would have any problem. Frankly, I would rather have two picks (Giddens and Walker) for the price of one, which is essentially what we got.

[Cman]

I still say it is too early to tell.

EDIT: Remember, many people said the same thing about Rondo, Big Al.  Not saying Giddens will be as good, but have some patience!

I don't think anyone said the same thing about Big Al and Rondo. Al was supposed to go much higher and Danny was going to take Rondo with the 7th pick and he fell into his lap in the 20s. They were both somewhat raw out of high school and college, but I think people had high expectations from them from the very beginning.

For at least a year after Rondo was picked, people bemoaned the lost opportunity of picking Marcus Williams instead.

Big Al struggled with injuries the first, what, three years?  He was basically written off at one point for having "ankles made of glass".

[dark_lord]

For at least a year after Rondo was picked, people bemoaned the lost opportunity of picking Marcus Williams instead.

im embarrassed to admit being one of the aforementioned posters 

i saw the light though and now he is one of my fav players

[crownsy]

Giddens looks a solid pick. Too early to write him off.

based on what? his play in the d-league? he hasn't played a minute and it was clear during training camp he was lost.

i simply don't understand why it's so hard for folks to admit that giddens was not a great pick as a player or an asset. even if you want to claim he and chalmers or jordan are equal prospects, the other two play desirable positions.

take charlotte for example. yes, they've been trying to address their size problems. but don't try to tell me that larry brown would rather have giddens over a legit PG or an athletic 7 footer for raja bell. what's the upside of giddens? maybe raja bell? you see my point. teams build with point gaurds and bigs and go from there.

if danny's been trying to trade giddens all along, he would have been better off trying to trade a point or a big. period.

and i dont understand how some people have flagged him as bust simply because he didn't have the skills as a 30th freaking pick to crack a championship teams rotation in the first 5 months of his nba career. both eval's are based on pure fantasy and conjecture.

p.s chalmers, if we had picked him, would be in the D-league as well. Our coach does NOT play young players meanigful minutes before he sees them in practice for an extended time, period.


p.p.s- conisidering the only one saying that danny is trying to unload JR is woj, who has been smashed by not only the celtics, but the reported trade partners on his last 4 "scoops" I take that one with a pretty big grain of salt.

[ssspence]

Giddens looks a solid pick. Too early to write him off.

based on what? his play in the d-league? he hasn't played a minute and it was clear during training camp he was lost.
 

Then why do you say he wasnt a good pick? areyou basing it on the fact that he was lost in preseason (which is pretty irrelevant for how he will be as he develops)? or based on the fact that he hasnt played for the c's (which means next to nothing when you look at the fact that we have a veteran laden team, and the young guys, like pruitt dont get minutes...).

as you said, he doesnt have enough of a record to determine whether he is a bust or not.

i'm not calling him a bust. i agree very few guys would have actually seen the floor at the 30th pick, if any (no chance chalmers would have seen a couple of gabe's minutes? or jordan a few of POB's garbage minutes?). my point is if danny took giddens only to try to trade him all year, he might have considered a more attractive package. any way you cut it -- giddens is not an attractive commodity.

i'm interested in winning it all this year, and having a trade chip would help. i don't care whether giddens will be a poor, average or above average player in 5 years. by then we could have picked up any number of decent swingmen. flip murray makes approximately the same salary as giddens. ditto for mo evans, trevor ariza etc. a mediocre PG like beno udrih made the full midlevel last year. 1s, 4s and 5s are stronger commodities as prospects. hard to argue with.

[crownsy]

Giddens looks a solid pick. Too early to write him off.

based on what? his play in the d-league? he hasn't played a minute and it was clear during training camp he was lost.
 

Then why do you say he wasnt a good pick? areyou basing it on the fact that he was lost in preseason (which is pretty irrelevant for how he will be as he develops)? or based on the fact that he hasnt played for the c's (which means next to nothing when you look at the fact that we have a veteran laden team, and the young guys, like pruitt dont get minutes...).

as you said, he doesnt have enough of a record to determine whether he is a bust or not.

i'm not calling him a bust. i agree very few guys would have actually seen the floor at the 30th pick, if any (no chance chalmers would have seen a couple of gabe's minutes? or jordan a few of POB's garbage minutes?). my point is if danny took giddens only to try to trade him all year, he might have considered a more attractive package. any way you cut it -- giddens is not an attractive commodity.

i'm interested in winning it all this year, and having a trade chip would help. i don't care whether giddens will be a poor, average or above average player in 5 years. by then we could have picked up any number of decent swingmen. flip murray makes approximately the same salary as giddens. ditto for mo evans, trevor ariza etc. beno udrih made the full midlevel last year. etc etc etc...

putting aside that if we had picked chalmers, we would have gotten rid of either him, pruitt, or sam pre-season (dont need 4 backup PG's)

what do you mean gabes minutes? you mean the very few rotation minutes he's seen ONLY when TA is out?

yea i suppose so, if giddens was a PG, he would have seen some of gabe's minutes too i bet. When there's walking wounded, there's walking wounded, and the next guy in line plays.

more likely, if we had picked chalmers, he would be in the D-league, sam would be gone, and gabe would be doing the same thing, sitting at the end of the bench hoping for a blowout so he can play.

[xmuscularghandix]

or he could have just traded JR for Walker instead of cash, then we would have had an open roster spot in the offseason.

i still think that JR is gonna develop into a nice smart player, its a beautiful thing the way he goes in with the bigs and gets offensive rebounds.

[ssspence]

Giddens looks a solid pick. Too early to write him off.

based on what? his play in the d-league? he hasn't played a minute and it was clear during training camp he was lost.

i simply don't understand why it's so hard for folks to admit that giddens was not a great pick as a player or an asset. even if you want to claim he and chalmers or jordan are equal prospects, the other two play desirable positions.

take charlotte for example. yes, they've been trying to address their size problems. but don't try to tell me that larry brown would rather have giddens over a legit PG or an athletic 7 footer for raja bell. what's the upside of giddens? maybe raja bell? you see my point. teams build with point gaurds and bigs and go from there.

if danny's been trying to trade giddens all along, he would have been better off trying to trade a point or a big. period.

and i dont understand how some people have flagged him as bust simply because he didn't have the skills as a 30th freaking pick to crack a championship teams rotation in the first 5 months of his nba career. both eval's are based on pure fantasy and conjecture.

p.s chalmers, if we had picked him, would be in the D-league as well. Our coach does NOT play young players meanigful minutes before he sees them in practice for an extended time, period.


p.p.s- conisidering the only one saying that danny is trying to unload JR is woj, who has been smashed by not only the celtics, but the reported trade partners on his last 4 "scoops" I take that one with a pretty big grain of salt.

i'm sorry but this is overkill. do any young players currently play for the Celtics? Chalmers plays on a legitimate team, not a lottery team. just as you talk about conjecture, you better recognize your own. now that sam cassell is gone, everyone on the Cs has played in a game but giddens.

[moiso]

One negative when evaluating Giddens is that he spent 5 years in college and I believe he was the oldest rookie drafted.  He was supposed to be ready to contribute this year especially defensively.  Definitely not the case.