Who is our 6th man?

[BudweiserCeltic]

Our sixth man is House. He is the only one who comes in and consistently gives the effort. Unfortunately you don't need an under-sized shooting guard in a PG body as your sixth man.

If Cassell is the answer, I sure don't want to know the question. No way he plays better than Eddie did last night. Great energy, great ball denial, great shooting. ALL Cassell can do is score. He would have been lit up on defense, and we would have had even more foul trouble as the bigs tried to rotate to his guy. Cassell needs to stay right where he is and we need to focus on our real problem and that is someone to play in BBD's place. He just isn't big enough to handle the job. Even when KG or Perk would make a good defensive play at the rim, the other big would get the board and put it right back in. He can't rebound against guys like Gasol, or Varaejo, etc.

We already have the person in our roster. He's simply injured at the moment.

[EJPLAYA]

Our sixth man is House. He is the only one who comes in and consistently gives the effort. Unfortunately you don't need an under-sized shooting guard in a PG body as your sixth man.

If Cassell is the answer, I sure don't want to know the question. No way he plays better than Eddie did last night. Great energy, great ball denial, great shooting. ALL Cassell can do is score. He would have been lit up on defense, and we would have had even more foul trouble as the bigs tried to rotate to his guy. Cassell needs to stay right where he is and we need to focus on our real problem and that is someone to play in BBD's place. He just isn't big enough to handle the job. Even when KG or Perk would make a good defensive play at the rim, the other big would get the board and put it right back in. He can't rebound against guys like Gasol, or Varaejo, etc.

We already have the person in our roster. He's simply injured at the moment.

If you mean Scal, I agree that he is a much better option than BBD, however I would like to see an upgrade if possible. If they can't, then they need to commit to Scal and Powe and let them get some consistent run. I think we win that game last night with Scal in there instead of BBD.

[winsomme]

Our sixth man is House. He is the only one who comes in and consistently gives the effort. Unfortunately you don't need an under-sized shooting guard in a PG body as your sixth man.

If Cassell is the answer, I sure don't want to know the question. No way he plays better than Eddie did last night. Great energy, great ball denial, great shooting. ALL Cassell can do is score. He would have been lit up on defense, and we would have had even more foul trouble as the bigs tried to rotate to his guy. Cassell needs to stay right where he is and we need to focus on our real problem and that is someone to play in BBD's place. He just isn't big enough to handle the job. Even when KG or Perk would make a good defensive play at the rim, the other big would get the board and put it right back in. He can't rebound against guys like Gasol, or Varaejo, etc.

We already have the person in our roster. He's simply injured at the moment.

If you mean Scal, I agree that he is a much better option than BBD, however I would like to see an upgrade if possible. If they can't, then they need to commit to Scal and Powe and let them get some consistent run. I think we win that game last night with Scal in there instead of BBD.

i don't think that is a solution. Scal, Powe and BBD seem to all be pitted against other (ie who should play, who shoouldn't play), but IMO they are very different players who's skills do not overlap as much as is put out here.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Our sixth man is House. He is the only one who comes in and consistently gives the effort. Unfortunately you don't need an under-sized shooting guard in a PG body as your sixth man.

If Cassell is the answer, I sure don't want to know the question. No way he plays better than Eddie did last night. Great energy, great ball denial, great shooting. ALL Cassell can do is score. He would have been lit up on defense, and we would have had even more foul trouble as the bigs tried to rotate to his guy. Cassell needs to stay right where he is and we need to focus on our real problem and that is someone to play in BBD's place. He just isn't big enough to handle the job. Even when KG or Perk would make a good defensive play at the rim, the other big would get the board and put it right back in. He can't rebound against guys like Gasol, or Varaejo, etc.

We already have the person in our roster. He's simply injured at the moment.

If you mean Scal, I agree that he is a much better option than BBD, however I would like to see an upgrade if possible. If they can't, then they need to commit to Scal and Powe and let them get some consistent run. I think we win that game last night with Scal in there instead of BBD.

When KG was out, Scal would've been the choice by default... and the correct one at that. In fact, Scal might've been there instead of Perk if Garnett had stayed in the game.

With no Scal, Davis was the only real choice we had considering the circumstances of what we needed to accomplish late in the game. Even though Powe is a better matchup against the Lakers overall than Davis (and Doc went with Powe for most of the game), he simply didn't have the skillset we needed at the time.

[winsomme]

Our sixth man is House. He is the only one who comes in and consistently gives the effort. Unfortunately you don't need an under-sized shooting guard in a PG body as your sixth man.

If Cassell is the answer, I sure don't want to know the question. No way he plays better than Eddie did last night. Great energy, great ball denial, great shooting. ALL Cassell can do is score. He would have been lit up on defense, and we would have had even more foul trouble as the bigs tried to rotate to his guy. Cassell needs to stay right where he is and we need to focus on our real problem and that is someone to play in BBD's place. He just isn't big enough to handle the job. Even when KG or Perk would make a good defensive play at the rim, the other big would get the board and put it right back in. He can't rebound against guys like Gasol, or Varaejo, etc.

We already have the person in our roster. He's simply injured at the moment.

If you mean Scal, I agree that he is a much better option than BBD, however I would like to see an upgrade if possible. If they can't, then they need to commit to Scal and Powe and let them get some consistent run. I think we win that game last night with Scal in there instead of BBD.

When KG was out, Scal would've been the choice by default... and the correct one at that. In fact, Scal might've been there instead of Perk if Garnett had stayed in the game.

With no Scal, Davis was the only real choice we had considering the circumstances of what we needed to accomplish late in the game. Even though Powe is a better matchup against the Lakers overall than Davis (and Doc went with Powe for most of the game), he simply didn't have the skillset we needed at the time.

TP. i was just trying to make this point in another thread. Powe had a great game, but he was effective when the game was much more of a transition game.

late in the game, LA was packing it in and we needed a big that could hit a jumper because that was the open shot. If we had an option with a shot that LA respected that would have been even better because that would have prevented LA from packing it in, but we don't have that option on our bench.

I fail to see the logic behind Powe over BBD at that point in the game.

[Atzar]

You see the lakers have (Odom, Farmer, Ariza) that can initiate offense. And we have 0 players on our bench that can create offense. I think a true PG would help run the offense better than House.

Cassell


He will be out there soon.

Hope you're right. I'm afraid he might be washed-up, we'll see.

Cassell's not the answer.  He was a shoot-first bricklayer when he came in last year.  a few games where his shot was falling but not many.  I'd rather see Pruitt get more burn to get his confidence up.  He'll actually distribute the ball and he's got a good shot to keep defenders honest.

I feel the need to argue against a widely-believed myth here.

Everybody says 'Pruitt has a good shot' because he has good form, but there is much more to a good shot than form.  The most important part of a shot is the result.  Right now, Pruitt has an eFG% of .377, according to 82games.com - and this is with a fair number of 3's, so his actual FG% is substantially lower.  To me, 'good shooter' shouldn't be associated with those stats.  I propose to you that until those stats become more fitting of a 'good shooter', that he is no longer termed as such.  

Don't get me wrong - I still think Pruitt should see playing time, but that's because of his defense and his handle, not his scoring.  I actually think he could be something of a stopper for us against scoring 1's and smaller 2's because I think he's the best player we have at staying in front of his man, the Big Three excepted.  

[EJPLAYA]

It's all clear now. What we needed out there was our 1-8 outside shooting big man who is 40% from the floor this year overall and much worse with the jumper. Much better than Powe...

There is a reason that BBD kept getting left open for jumpers and they were indeed allowed to pack it in. They know what we know and that is BBD can't shoot with any consistency.

Your argument is fine except the part about us needing to have him extend the floor with his shot making ability because they just packed it in anyway. As he is a slow shooter, they were still able to get out and block his shot since he can't get off the floor and shoots the ball at neck level...

[BudweiserCeltic]

I thought as the playoffs went along that Cassell was distributing the ball much better than when he first began the season with us. He certainly had his occational "It's me time!", but as the playoffs went along he reduced those quite a bit. I thought the ball movement wasn't the real problem with him last summer, but that his jumpshot (many from areas that are money for him) were simply not falling, and as result he ended looking lack crap. His defense improved also... he guarded Stuckey quite well if I remember correctly, but Farmar was too quick for him.

[winsomme]

It's all clear now. What we needed out there was our 1-8 outside shooting big man who is 40% from the floor this year overall and much worse with the jumper. Much better than Powe...

There is a reason that BBD kept getting left open for jumpers and they were indeed allowed to pack it in. They know what we know and that is BBD can't shoot with any consistency.

Your argument is fine except the part about us needing to have him extend the floor with his shot making ability because they just packed it in anyway. As he is a slow shooter, they were still able to get out and block his shot since he can't get off the floor and shoots the ball at neck level...

i think you know the point that is being made here. Powe was not a better option based on how LA was playing.

BBD while not being ideal in such a high pressured game has been hitting that shot of late and that was the shot that was being left open by the Lakers. If Scal was active and BBD got the call you might have a case, but BBD over Powe is just not a clear mistake from where i am sitting.

[BudweiserCeltic]

It's all clear now. What we needed out there was our 1-8 outside shooting big man who is 40% from the floor this year overall and much worse with the jumper. Much better than Powe...

There is a reason that BBD kept getting left open for jumpers and they were indeed allowed to pack it in. They know what we know and that is BBD can't shoot with any consistency.

Your argument is fine except the part about us needing to have him extend the floor with his shot making ability because they just packed it in anyway. As he is a slow shooter, they were still able to get out and block his shot since he can't get off the floor and shoots the ball at neck level...

Look at how he was shooting during the last 10 games... clearly not representative of a 40% shooter. He shot 48% from the floor last month.

Prior to being inserted for KG, he had only taken/missed 3 jumpshots... not really a big deal. It's a small sample.

[EJPLAYA]

It's all clear now. What we needed out there was our 1-8 outside shooting big man who is 40% from the floor this year overall and much worse with the jumper. Much better than Powe...

There is a reason that BBD kept getting left open for jumpers and they were indeed allowed to pack it in. They know what we know and that is BBD can't shoot with any consistency.

Your argument is fine except the part about us needing to have him extend the floor with his shot making ability because they just packed it in anyway. As he is a slow shooter, they were still able to get out and block his shot since he can't get off the floor and shoots the ball at neck level...

i think you know the point that is being made here. Powe was not a better option based on how LA was playing.

BBD while not being ideal in such a high pressured game has been hitting that shot of late and that was the shot that was being left open by the Lakers. If Scal was active and BBD got the call you might have a case, but BBD over Powe is just not a clear mistake from where i am sitting.

I DO know what you are saying and that is that because BBD has been a little better the last few games that he is somehow magically this great shooter that the Lakers had to respect. It isn't true and their leaving him open proved that.

Do you think if Eddie was out there on the floor that they would leave the guy open to shoot if he had just gone through a rough stretch?! Of course not. They know he is a great shooter. BBD is a bad shooter. At best if he improves he will be an OK shooter. THAT is why they left the guy out there.

I am not just talking about the last play either. Powe was the only one on the floor consistently hitting the offensive glass. His being in there would have likely resulted in a couple more shot opportunities and even another made basket or two out of him. His man wouldn't have been able to double team or rotate out because of his ability to rebound and put it back in.  BBD was having a poor game up to that point and inserting him played into LA's hands.

[EJPLAYA]

It's all clear now. What we needed out there was our 1-8 outside shooting big man who is 40% from the floor this year overall and much worse with the jumper. Much better than Powe...

There is a reason that BBD kept getting left open for jumpers and they were indeed allowed to pack it in. They know what we know and that is BBD can't shoot with any consistency.

Your argument is fine except the part about us needing to have him extend the floor with his shot making ability because they just packed it in anyway. As he is a slow shooter, they were still able to get out and block his shot since he can't get off the floor and shoots the ball at neck level...

Look at how he was shooting during the last 10 games... clearly not representative of a 40% shooter. He shot 48% from the floor last month.

Prior to being inserted for KG, he had only taken/missed 3 jumpshots... not really a big deal. It's a small sample.

You know I had a game where I was 6-6 from three point land and followed it up with a few more that I was shooting about 75% as well. That doesn't change the fact that I am not a three point shooter...

[winsomme]

It's all clear now. What we needed out there was our 1-8 outside shooting big man who is 40% from the floor this year overall and much worse with the jumper. Much better than Powe...

There is a reason that BBD kept getting left open for jumpers and they were indeed allowed to pack it in. They know what we know and that is BBD can't shoot with any consistency.

Your argument is fine except the part about us needing to have him extend the floor with his shot making ability because they just packed it in anyway. As he is a slow shooter, they were still able to get out and block his shot since he can't get off the floor and shoots the ball at neck level...

i think you know the point that is being made here. Powe was not a better option based on how LA was playing.

BBD while not being ideal in such a high pressured game has been hitting that shot of late and that was the shot that was being left open by the Lakers. If Scal was active and BBD got the call you might have a case, but BBD over Powe is just not a clear mistake from where i am sitting.

I DO know what you are saying and that is that because BBD has been a little better the last few games that he is somehow magically this great shooter that the Lakers had to respect. It isn't true and their leaving him open proved that.

Do you think if Eddie was out there on the floor that they would leave the guy open to shoot if he had just gone through a rough stretch?! Of course not. They know he is a great shooter. BBD is a bad shooter. At best if he improves he will be an OK shooter. THAT is why they left the guy out there.

I am not just talking about the last play either. Powe was the only one on the floor consistently hitting the offensive glass. His being in there would have likely resulted in a couple more shot opportunities and even another made basket or two out of him. His man wouldn't have been able to double team or rotate out because of his ability to rebound and put it back in.  BBD was having a poor game up to that point and inserting him played into LA's hands.

I'm not gonna get into a round and round debate on this. you have never been a big fan of BBD and i know that i am not going to turn you on this.

the point being made is that we don't know what personnel moves are going to be made down the line here. So without assuming that something will change, Doc has limited options and options that he does have, the staff is clearly working to develop certain things.

one of the things they have been working on is getting a bench-big to hit some kind of jumper to help spread the floor.

1) Scal is probably the best option of the bench-bigs at doing that job, but he is hurt.

2) they have clearly been trying to add this shot to BBDs game and of late he has been hitting it.

so where does that leave us? we are in a game against a team that we could end up playing in the playoffs with a roster that for all we know could be the one that we go to battle with. so the logic is to use the personnel in the way that you are trying to use them and get them ready to potentially do it when it really, really matters....

I just don't see the flaw in that reasoning.

could Powe have come up with a great hustle play that won us the game? sure. but your assertion that LA would not have continued to pack it in if Powe was in there instead of BBD just doesn't seem right to me.

what is more likely is Powe would be left open for those same jumpers and i can't say that that would have been a better option than BBD.

[BudweiserCeltic]

EJ, you clearly have a bias against Davis. Davis hasn't been a "little" better than Powe, he's been much better than Powe for one. But this isn't about that anyways.

I guess Davis didn't rebound the ball when he came in for Garnett. We did have quite a few offensive rebounds during that stretch. About 4 if not mistaken.

I find it quite hilarious that you ask for people to be consistent and reasonable when discussing Scal, and then do quite the contrary when BBD, Tony, and Cassell are involved.

[wdleehi]

I don't think Cassell replaces House.


I think he replaces TA. 



Cassell running the point on offense and House defending the point on defense.