Who is our 6th man?

[wdleehi]

I don't think Cassell replaces House.


I think he replaces TA. 



Cassell running the point on offense and House defending the point on defense. 

  That works great. Sam can shut down practically any 2-guard in the league. He'll do a much better job on Kobe than Tony did last night.

  If we're going to run people out of the lineup can't we start with people who have a negative impact on the team when they play?

Like the TA/House backcourt had on the teams offense when Kobe was on the bench? 

  I meant over the course of the year, not over 10 minutes in an individual game.

Well then do the Celtics play Kobe over the course of the year or in just an individual game?  

And those 10 minutes of the Laker games, if the offense is running better, and Kobe isn't on the floor?


Because come playoff time, there shouldn't be any minutes where Kobe (or Lebron) is on the floor when both Pierce and Ray are on the bench.

[wdleehi]

wait, your being sarcastic about Sam guarding Kobe right?

  If Eddie's guarding the opposing pg then what else will happen. Kobe's not going to guard himself, you know. It will just appear to be the case.

And the majority of the minutes that back court played was when Kobe is on the bench.

[D Dub]

Eddie has got to be the 6th man because of how well he spreads the floor.  That, and besides KG, there isn't a better guy to put in P/R with Pierce.

I felt that Doc should have went with a smaller lineup in OT last night including Eddie at the 2 in order to space the floor for Paul and Ray.  

RR, EH, RA, PP at pf, and KP

[EJPLAYA]

Leon played good last night, but he is a joke offensively and he can't hit free throws, and i loved Leon. but you can't just look at his stats and say he had good games vs. bad games. he's also dropping passes and turning the ball over.

Leon's sole purpose should be grabbing offensive boards and putting them back in.

BBD has the potential to be more than that and has shown that he is capable in his second year, thats why he started in the absense of KG and Scal.

And yet the facts show that his turnovers have dropped each month of the season and this magical horrible "month" in January he averaged almost half of BBD's don't matter. The fact that BBD's month of January where he was somehow this hugely improved player his turnovers doubled from earlier in the year. Yeah. None of that matters. We wouldn't want to look at the truth now when just making things up is so much easier... That's why this discussion is always so maddening. The facts and truth don't really matter. It is always about potential and the little things that "no one notices" except you really perceptive people... I guess the stat guys don't notice either...

[BballTim]

I don't think Cassell replaces House.


I think he replaces TA. 



Cassell running the point on offense and House defending the point on defense. 

  That works great. Sam can shut down practically any 2-guard in the league. He'll do a much better job on Kobe than Tony did last night.

  If we're going to run people out of the lineup can't we start with people who have a negative impact on the team when they play?

Like the TA/House backcourt had on the teams offense when Kobe was on the bench? 

  I meant over the course of the year, not over 10 minutes in an individual game.

Well then do the Celtics play Kobe over the course of the year or in just an individual game?  

And those 10 minutes of the Laker games, if the offense is running better, and Kobe isn't on the floor?


Because come playoff time, there shouldn't be any minutes where Kobe (or Lebron) is on the floor when both Pierce and Ray are on the bench.

  Here's my take on things:

  I said "If we're going to run people out of the lineup can't we start with people who have a negative impact on the team when they play?".

  You said "Like the TA/House backcourt had on the teams offense when Kobe was on the bench?".

  I said "I meant over the course of the year, not over 10 minutes in an individual game.".

  My last comment was meant to mean "show me how TA has had a negative impact over the course of the season, not just over a 10 minute stretch".

  Somewhere our understanding of the discussion must have diverged because your last post seems far enough off kilter that I don't even know how to respond to it.

  In any case, feel free to comment on how TA's had a negative impact on us over the course of the year, and I'll agree completely with your last statement about keeping Paul or Ray on the court when Kobe or LeBron is in the game (although I don't know that I'd have Ray guard LeBron).

[xmuscularghandix]

wait, your being sarcastic about Sam guarding Kobe right?

  If Eddie's guarding the opposing pg then what else will happen? Kobe's not going to guard himself, you know. It will just appear to be the case.

i meant, your sarcastic about him being CAPABLE of guarding him, i'm not stupid.

[BballTim]

wait, your being sarcastic about Sam guarding Kobe right?

  If Eddie's guarding the opposing pg then what else will happen? Kobe's not going to guard himself, you know. It will just appear to be the case.

i meant, your sarcastic about him being CAPABLE of guarding him, i'm not stupid.

  Sorry. Yes, I was being sarcastic. I'm not sure that Sam could shut down Danny Ainge right now.

[wdleehi]

I don't think Cassell replaces House.


I think he replaces TA. 



Cassell running the point on offense and House defending the point on defense. 

  That works great. Sam can shut down practically any 2-guard in the league. He'll do a much better job on Kobe than Tony did last night.

  If we're going to run people out of the lineup can't we start with people who have a negative impact on the team when they play?

Like the TA/House backcourt had on the teams offense when Kobe was on the bench? 

  I meant over the course of the year, not over 10 minutes in an individual game.

Well then do the Celtics play Kobe over the course of the year or in just an individual game?  

And those 10 minutes of the Laker games, if the offense is running better, and Kobe isn't on the floor?


Because come playoff time, there shouldn't be any minutes where Kobe (or Lebron) is on the floor when both Pierce and Ray are on the bench.

  Here's my take on things:

  I said "If we're going to run people out of the lineup can't we start with people who have a negative impact on the team when they play?".

  You said "Like the TA/House backcourt had on the teams offense when Kobe was on the bench?".

  I said "I meant over the course of the year, not over 10 minutes in an individual game.".

  My last comment was meant to mean "show me how TA has had a negative impact over the course of the season, not just over a 10 minute stretch".

  Somewhere our understanding of the discussion must have diverged because your last post seems far enough off kilter that I don't even know how to respond to it.

  In any case, feel free to comment on how TA's had a negative impact on us over the course of the year, and I'll agree completely with your last statement about keeping Paul or Ray on the court when Kobe or LeBron is in the game (although I don't know that I'd have Ray guard LeBron).

let's put it this way.


More times then not, the TA/House backcourt has been a negative for the Celtics.

[BballTim]

let's put it this way.


More times then not, the TA/House backcourt has been a negative for the Celtics.

  Thanks for clearing that up.

  According to 82games, we're a +95 on the year when both TA and House play. The team (with them both playing) has outscored opponents in 20 games and been outscored 14 times. This isn't specifically a House/TA backcourt, but if you look at their individual top 10 5 man units the only lineup that contains a House/TA backcourt that gets outscored contains a Scal/BBD/Powe frontcourt.

[kenmaine]

let's put it this way.


More times then not, the TA/House backcourt has been a negative for the Celtics.

  Thanks for clearing that up.

  According to 82games, we're a +95 on the year when both TA and House play. The team (with them both playing) has outscored opponents in 20 games and been outscored 14 times. This isn't specifically a House/TA backcourt, but if you look at their individual top 10 5 man units the only lineup that contains a House/TA backcourt that gets outscored contains a Scal/BBD/Powe frontcourt.

Mind if I jump in here? 
A backcourt of Eddie House and TA is a bizarre concept. A great shooting point guard who's not a great ballhandler, and a shooting guard who can't shoot. And I like them both, believe it or not, but they are both limited players.
Anyway, back to the OP, Eddie is the sixth man, or if it's a big, then it's a tossup right now.

[BballTim]

let's put it this way.


More times then not, the TA/House backcourt has been a negative for the Celtics.

  Thanks for clearing that up.

  According to 82games, we're a +95 on the year when both TA and House play. The team (with them both playing) has outscored opponents in 20 games and been outscored 14 times. This isn't specifically a House/TA backcourt, but if you look at their individual top 10 5 man units the only lineup that contains a House/TA backcourt that gets outscored contains a Scal/BBD/Powe frontcourt.

Mind if I jump in here? 
A backcourt of Eddie House and TA is a bizarre concept. A great shooting point guard who's not a great ballhandler, and a shooting guard who can't shoot. And I like them both, believe it or not, but they are both limited players.
Anyway, back to the OP, Eddie is the sixth man, or if it's a big, then it's a tossup right now.

  While you're right about your TA/House analysis, the fact remains that we do play that lineup from time to time and, despite what people think, we seem to do ok in that situation.

[xmuscularghandix]

wait, your being sarcastic about Sam guarding Kobe right?

  If Eddie's guarding the opposing pg then what else will happen? Kobe's not going to guard himself, you know. It will just appear to be the case.

i meant, your sarcastic about him being CAPABLE of guarding him, i'm not stupid.

  Sorry. Yes, I was being sarcastic. I'm not sure that Sam could shut down Danny Ainge right now.

Danny Ainge would say no, Sam would say yes.

[liam]

Scal!

[thirstyboots18]

Scal

[Roy Hobbs]

Apparently, from what I read, it should be Perk, with POB starting.