When the team loses you hate doc but when they win you like him?

[MattG12]

I personally don't respect his coaching skills in relations to substitution patterns, when to call time outs, letting vets barge in huddles, disciplining young players hard but saying nothing to the vets etc. Yes i do agree he overall has good relations with the players and is not bad with teaching younger players about the game, but overall he is damm lucky to have a gm like ainge who pretty much spoonfed him two other HOF to the roster.

When we lose everyone bashes him good. When we win he is a good guy, he got us a championship, he should be coach of the year etc.

Why the two face reactions?? (no offense for those who stand by their decision about him)

To also add another point why he is below par compared to some other coaches, on some other thread i stated that mchale is a better coach than rivers. Everyone pretty much disagreed with that notion. So i provided the ultimate example that if you replace rivers with mchale right now the celts would be as good of a team if not better however if you replaced mchale with rivers, the wolves would stink again. (i would like to hear a real counterargument about this example for those don't agree)

In any case , i like to see people be decisive about rivers and for me personally i think he is [dang] lucky and lacks true coaching skills during crucial moments of the year and game. If he improves on those facets i can admit he is a good coach , that but thats a big if

I've always liked Doc, I didn't call for him to be fired when the team was bad, it wasn't his fault he was given garbage to work with... and don't say that McHale is better because he's coaching the same players and they're winning. Get it through your head that the players have grown up, it is not the same.

You also asked for people to provide you with a real counterargument that McHale wouldn't be a better coach here than Doc and Doc wouldn't be worse in Minny than McHale. In order for somebody to actually give you a counterargument shouldn't you actually give us a good argument? You have no numbers that prove McHale would be better. He is currently doing good. You don't talk about the fact that he lost his first 8 games coaching this year and the first time he took over after he fired Flip Saunders he failed to get the Timberwolves into the Finals... and he had Kevin Garnett. Doc Rivers got the Celtics a championship in his first year when given Garnett, wouldn't that make Doc better than McHale? If that's the type of argument you want to give, that's the type of argument you will receive. Stop voicing your flawed opinion. The fact the nobody agrees with you should be enough proof that you are wrong.

-mchale had to come in during mid season to clean up a mess and did a great job. Doc started with the team that year. How about talent comparison?? The celts had more talent on that team vs wolves(due to kg's enormous contract)

give me a better counter counter argument my friend


-And lastly 8 games losing streak in the beginning but going 10-2 there after. Rivers two years ago = 18 games losing streak and never stopped losing there after

I like how you mentioned Rivers 18 game losing streak of two years ago... If you are going to say he was responsible for that losing streak wouldn't that also make him responsible for this years 19 game winning streak?

[Chris]

you can't have x's and o's set in stone. As the game develops your strategy has to also. The problem with doc is that he is not keen on adapting to anything.

But see this just isn't true.  Doc is constantly making changes and adjustments. 

[MattG12]

you can't have x's and o's set in stone. As the game develops your strategy has to also. The problem with doc is that he is not keen on adapting to anything.

But see this just isn't true.  Doc is constantly making changes and adjustments. 

TP, even though it's a simple post it's straight to the point... this is the same Doc Rivers that has been known around the league for coming out of timeouts with great plays that he draws up during the timeouts correct, triboy?

[BballTim]

First of all love was inconsistant beginning of the year and ppl thought mchale was nutz to choose him over mayo. 2nd of all mike miller is an ok vet and lastly foye was also considered an inconsistant talent.

The wolves team right now are comparbale to the celts two years ago that had pierce, al jefferson(he broke through that season), d west, rondo who just like love was in his first year), perkins (vet by then), wally world/ricky davis etc.

The wolves have pretty much one vet in mike miller contributing and he is not even considered a star paul pierce was

  Pierce was either out or hurt most of the year, as were Allen and Wally. Jefferson, Gomes and Telfair were all 2 years younger. You say the Wolves have no vets but all three of those players are much more veteran than anyone we played in most games (as is Foye). Perkins (vet by then) was hampered the entire season with foot problems. He was unable to get into decent playing shape because of the injury.

  If you still don't understand how different the teams were, Gerald Green and Allan Ray played a lot of minutes for the Celts. Are comparable players getting a lot of time for Minny?

[BudweiserCeltic]

you can't have x's and o's set in stone. As the game develops your strategy has to also. The problem with doc is that he is not keen on adapting to anything.

But see this just isn't true.

Pretty much nothing he has claimed in this thread has any truth in it. I'm starting to wonder why we're even having a discussion about the things he's claiming.

[crownsy]

you can't have x's and o's set in stone. As the game develops your strategy has to also. The problem with doc is that he is not keen on adapting to anything.

But see this just isn't true.  Doc is constantly making changes and adjustments. 

yea, the knock on doc is that he cant stick to one thing (like a set rotation). this is the opposite of true.

your take on foye is also not based in reality, he's playing very well for that team, and love has been huge during this winning streak you want to count x1000 for the "doc sucks LOLOL!@!@!@!@" argument.

[Larry is Clear]

I used to blame Doc (especially early in the playoffs) a lot but now I hold the players more responsible.   

[Tr1boy]

We will see what happens rest of the way. Either i'm wrong or you(doc is an excellent coach supporters) are wrong.

The team has the talent to excel, get out of slumps and win close games. Doc might be able to inspire them to excel but i have zero confidence in his ability to get the team out of funks or help them win close/important games

[MattG12]

We will see what happens rest of the way. Either i'm wrong or you(doc is an excellent coach supporters) are wrong.

The team has the talent to excel, get out of slumps and win close games. Doc might be able to inspire them to excel but i have zero confidence in his ability to get the team out of funks or help them win close/important games

Do you remember going 2-7 in 9 games earlier this season... have you seen them win 9 straight since then? That is getting the team out of a funk...

There is no such thing as an important game... every game for this team is important, we need every win we can get to get home court advantage in the playoffs. We won the most important games we played last year. Game 7 vs. ATL, Game 7 vs. CLE, Game 6 vs. DET, Game 6 vs. LA... seriously do those games mean nothing to you?

[Fafnir]

We will see what happens rest of the way. Either i'm wrong or you(doc is an excellent coach supporters) are wrong.

The team has the talent to excel, get out of slumps and win close games. Doc might be able to inspire them to excel but i have zero confidence in his ability to get the team out of funks or help them win close/important games

Do you remember going 2-7 in 9 games earlier this season... have you seen them win 9 straight since then? That is getting the team out of a funk...

There is no such thing as an important game... every game for this team is important, we need every win we can get to get home court advantage in the playoffs. We won the most important games we played last year. Game 7 vs. ATL, Game 7 vs. CLE, Game 6 vs. DET, Game 6 vs. LA... seriously do those games mean nothing to you?

They meant this:

[MattG12]

We will see what happens rest of the way. Either i'm wrong or you(doc is an excellent coach supporters) are wrong.

The team has the talent to excel, get out of slumps and win close games. Doc might be able to inspire them to excel but i have zero confidence in his ability to get the team out of funks or help them win close/important games

Do you remember going 2-7 in 9 games earlier this season... have you seen them win 9 straight since then? That is getting the team out of a funk...

There is no such thing as an important game... every game for this team is important, we need every win we can get to get home court advantage in the playoffs. We won the most important games we played last year. Game 7 vs. ATL, Game 7 vs. CLE, Game 6 vs. DET, Game 6 vs. LA... seriously do those games mean nothing to you?

They meant this:

wow! I have never seen that picture... you get a tommy point for that gem, my friend.

[Fafnir]

It is from Celtics.com and its the wallpaper for my home and work computers. Every time I leave it up in front of my Laker fan co-worker he covers it up with a sheet of paper  .

http://www.nba.com/celtics/multimedia/wallpaper.html

Some other cool pictures as well. I like this one too, shows you what Doc has helped us do.

[xmuscularghandix]

It is from Celtics.com and its the wallpaper for my home and work computers. Every time I leave it up in front of my Laker fan co-worker he covers it up with a sheet of paper  .

http://www.nba.com/celtics/multimedia/wallpaper.html

Some other cool pictures as well. I like this one too, shows you what Doc has helped us do.

i think this picture is awesome becuase we can use it for this years championship as well, notice who Doc's hand is blocking out.

[nickagneta]

It is from Celtics.com and its the wallpaper for my home and work computers. Every time I leave it up in front of my Laker fan co-worker he covers it up with a sheet of paper  .

http://www.nba.com/celtics/multimedia/wallpaper.html

Some other cool pictures as well. I like this one too, shows you what Doc has helped us do.

i think this picture is awesome becuase we can use it for this years championship as well, notice who Doc's hand is blocking out.

Yeah, but PJ Brown is standing so tall he sticks out like a sore thumb. Maybe a little Photoshop touch up will be need and we really could just use the same picture. Of course as long as we are going the Photoshop editing route, maybe we could add in a picture of a pouting Kobe hanging around looking jealously at the goings on. Hehehehehe 

[CoachBo]

you can't have x's and o's set in stone. As the game develops your strategy has to also. The problem with doc is that he is not keen on adapting to anything.

But see this just isn't true.  Doc is constantly making changes and adjustments. 

Well said.

The entire premise of this thread leaves me shaking my head.

First, last year: If you've ever coached the game, you understand that Doc's mission last year was to blend a battalion of new faces together. Going into the season, I thought it was possible it would take at least two years to accomplish that. Instead, it resulted in a title - and getting all those new faces on the same page is a huge accomplishment.

This year, his hands have been tied from the beginning. He has the league's best starting 5 - and no one to go to on the bench for help when one of those starters go down, go flat, etc.

I know Doc gets a ton of grief for not playing individual posters' favorite kids or players a lot, but that's not his job. His job is to win, and 38-9 with this bench is remarkable.

This guy's a good ball coach. Period.