Cliff: use Chief as Prototype for O'Bryant on Offense

[footey]

Amazing how a lack of playing time and a relatively mild quote from Doc translates, for many, as the guy being a bum at 22.  A 7 foot, athletically gifted, bum.  I don't think we have the luxury of being dismissive so soon.  

[footey]

I think the intensity thing is overblown by Doc for a purpose which in the end will make POB a better player.

Agreed.

[xmuscularghandix]

he WILL be better than Kwame Brown and Scot Pollard.

[ManUp]

My impersonation of Bill Simmons impersonating Hubie Brown: "You're Patrick O'Bryant, you had tremendous upside potential, you have great length, but your team (who has no backup center) won't let you on the floor because you couldn't identify intensity if it was dripping off of KG's nose as he's screaming in your face."

Hahahaha Well done Jeff! Definitely looks like something Brown would say, add in my imagination, and you get a TP

[Andy Jick]

I think the intensity thing is overblown by Doc for a purpose which in the end will make POB a better player.

someone needs to get POB this memo...

[CoachBo]

My impersonation of Bill Simmons impersonating Hubie Brown: "You're Patrick O'Bryant, you had tremendous upside potential, you have great length, but your team (who has no backup center) won't let you on the floor because you couldn't identify intensity if it was dripping off of KG's nose as he's screaming in your face."

Once again, I find myself bemoaning the inability to give more than one TP for a classic post.

Jeff, you owe me a laptop. I spat orange juice all over mine laughing.

GREAT post.

[CoachBo]

Amazing how a lack of playing time and a relatively mild quote from Doc translates, for many, as the guy being a bum at 22.  A 7 foot, athletically gifted, bum.  I don't think we have the luxury of being dismissive so soon.  

And blowing up at Golden State. And being pathologically lazy in college ...

You're just not ever going to acknowledge the facts about this guy, are you?

[ScoobyDoo]

Tommy Point to Jeff for the sweat dripping off KG's nose comments, hilarious.

I agree with muscular and I'm gonna give the kid a little time...in a real program. Not in a college program and not in a Golden State program. In the Boston Celtics program and with Clifford Ray, Doc Rivers and our trainin crew. I give him two years to show the right progress.
Getting back to muscular's point, I think his single biggest issue is that he is not strong enough. It's hard to be confident or aggressive out there when you are physically being man handled all the time. And if you're being outmuscled all the time it is also hard to appear to be showing intensity.

I like his obvious pros: very long, athletic, potential to block shots and offensive tendencies ( outside shot and I love the hook, especially if it starts going in.)   

I want to see what two years of our training team and Clifford Ray can do.

I wasn't a fan of the signing but I think he might suprise us by becoming a good "back up center for us" withn another year or two....at 24 years old.

 

[footey]

Amazing how a lack of playing time and a relatively mild quote from Doc translates, for many, as the guy being a bum at 22.  A 7 foot, athletically gifted, bum.  I don't think we have the luxury of being dismissive so soon.  

And blowing up at Golden State. And being pathologically lazy in college ...

You're just not ever going to acknowledge the facts about this guy, are you?

Blowing up in GS? Maybe, but be fair: Nellie has made a career out of playing small. POB never had a chance there, IMO.

Pathologically lazy in college?  He is a classic late bloomer, who managed to win Defensive Player of the Year in his College Conference as a Sophomore.  I think you are a little too strong here in your criticism. 

[jdpapa3]

footey, you had a great point about how it's really a Doc Rivers motivational tactic. I think you hit it exactly on the head.

Once this kid gets strength, how will he not be a serviceable center in this league? Look at some of the centers around the NBA. He's a legit 7' and is coordinated. Just seems like he can't bench the bar with no weights on it or squat a pole with big baby's shorts on either end. He's got touch, is well liked on the team, and showed that he can finish pretty well. He looked pretty good playing with the starters in the preseason and I'd rather judge him on that, rather than playing ice cold in garbage time.

[Chris]

Recently read article where O'Bryant spoke of his difficulty gaining weight, and his focus on getting stronger.  Robert Parish was a great 5, and played alot more low post. POB 9/10 possessions is in high post. He needs to use better leverage to get the ball in closer to the hoop, where he can be more effetive. His size is wasted too much up top. Yes, he sees the floor well, and has made some nifty Bill Walton passes out of the high post. But he will be of far greater value by establishing low post position.  Like the Chief. POB has very good shooting touch, I see no reason why he doesn't work on that little 10 foot turnaround that Chief perfected. 

It is tough to shoot a 10 foot turnaround, when you are unable to get position inside 15 feet.

Really though, who cares about his offense?  Offense is not the reason he is not playing, it is because of his lack of defensive fundamentals, and the fact that he is completely lost out there.

[ScoobyDoo]

O'bryant doesn't have to become Kendrick Perkins. He just had to get "strong enough". I doubt very much Golden State invested much intense energy into developing this kid. He is still only a rookie in age, having come out two years early as a big man, who generally take the longest to develop anyway.

I like his length and ability to effect shots around the basket, his coordination and his offensive touch.

He may very well gain confidence with strength training and become more aggressive overall because of it.

Again, he doesn't need to become Perkins, just needs to get "strong enough" and  learn how to play with the body he has...like Tayshaun Prince has.

As someone else said, look around the league for true seven footers with any talent. This kid has talent, he needs his body to come along.

I'm leaving the jury open until I see what Ainge, Doc, Cliff and our training staff can mold him into over two years time.

I think really sees this kid as becoming a good back up to Perkins within 2-3 years time.

if that happens, our center position will be covered for another 10+ years, from now...

If it happens...Ainge will look good on this signing.   

[Lucky17]

Here's what I wonder: why hasn't he been sent to the NBDL?

He ought to be playing down there for a bit just to a) compete and develop and/or b) experience first-hand from some of his less-gifted peers how desire and tenacity are essential to those aspiring to play basketball for a career.

[Roy Hobbs]

Here's what I wonder: why hasn't he been sent to the NBDL?

He ought to be playing down there for a bit just to a) compete and develop and/or b) experience first-hand from some of his less-gifted peers how desire and tenacity are essential to those aspiring to play basketball for a career.

Only players in their first two seasons can be sent to the D-League.

[Andy Jick]

Here's what I wonder: why hasn't he been sent to the NBDL?

He ought to be playing down there for a bit just to a) compete and develop and/or b) experience first-hand from some of his less-gifted peers how desire and tenacity are essential to those aspiring to play basketball for a career.

Only players in their first two seasons can be sent to the D-League.

it's probably best...i bet if they sent him down he'd have embarrassingly low numbers.