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Gabe Pruitt
« on: January 25, 2009, 09:00:49 PM »

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Since Tony Allen went on the Injured List, Gabe Pruitt has been playing alongside Eddie House. I have seen a few games where he looked pretty good on both ends of the floor, but also a few where he didnt. The biggest thing I have noticed (and liked) is that he has a shooting and ballhandling component in his game that Tony Allen lacks.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like the second unit (with Ray or Paul) of Gabe, Eddie, Baby and Scal is clicking together. I never saw this kind of cohesiveness with Tony or Leon Powe as part of the unit. (No dispute that Leon has lost some minutes)

I wonder if Doc will put Tony back in that second unit and sit Gabe when Tony is healthy. I feel like Eddie plays better with Gabe's superior (to Tony) ballhandling. Gabe is not doing bad defensively either. Doc could be making a big mistake from a chemistry standpoint if he sits Gabe in favor of Tony IMO.
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Re: Gabe Pruitt
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2009, 09:03:16 PM »

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The main benefit has been House playing SG almost exclusively (or at least not being the primary ball handler.) Even when Pruitt is not in, House is playing with either Ray Allen or Rondo (or both) and they are handling the distributor role. I see this more as an injury solving a Doc created role/rotation problem more than anything.

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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2009, 09:12:15 PM »

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When Tony comes back, I think we'll see a bit more of him playing some SF and probably some more of the 5-benchmen units. House has been playing quite good since he hasn't had to be the primary ball handler.

With all that said, Pruitt doesn't convince me, even though I like him. If and when we get another back-up PG or Cassell is ready to go, he should go back to the bench. Pruitt isn't PG material as far as I'm concerned at the moment. He simply has a better handle that the rest of our bench. And even though he has a nice shooting touch, he's not been consistantly making shots.

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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2009, 09:15:30 PM »

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I think one of the reasons the team has looked a lot better in this stretch is because there really hasn't been a "second unit". 

Rather, Doc has been mixing the bench in with the starters more (which several of us have been calling for for awhile now).  Today, for instance, instead of going to four or five bench players in the second quarter, Doc went with a mix of bench guys with Rondo and Ray.  Naturally, when the bench guys play with better teammates, they're going to play better, as well.

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Re: Gabe Pruitt
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2009, 09:17:00 PM »

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When Tony comes back, I think we'll see a bit more of him playing some SF and probably some more of the 5-benchmen units.

That's probably true, and when that happens, I expect us to lose more games.  Operating as a five-man unit, our bench is horrific.  Mixed in with the starters, and the bench players can fill a role.

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Re: Gabe Pruitt
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2009, 09:22:40 PM »

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When Tony comes back, I think we'll see a bit more of him playing some SF and probably some more of the 5-benchmen units.

That's probably true, and when that happens, I expect us to lose more games.  Operating as a five-man unit, our bench is horrific.  Mixed in with the starters, and the bench players can fill a role.

I don't think we'll play as good as we could be, but I don't think we'll just start losing games. Overal we have been winning games this way between last season and this season, the games simply aren't as easy as they could've been.

But I'm interested in seeing how this new unit would look like, with Pruitt being the primary ball handler, House being as hot as he has been at the SG spot, Tony bringing a bit of his slashing ability and penetration, Scal spreading the floor at the 4, and whomever gets the call of Powe/Baby that particular day. I think Tony is good enough for some good kickouts plus he should have an easier time getting to the rim. We'll see.

I really don't mind Tony at the 3, since I don't think there are many SF that can take advantage of his lack of height, but he should have the advantage on the offensive end with his quickness. The only thing I ask of him is to finish better, that's really the main thing that has been bothering me from him this year. I can tolerate his occasional brain fart.
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2009, 09:32:12 PM »

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I think one of the reasons the team has looked a lot better in this stretch is because there really hasn't been a "second unit". 

Rather, Doc has been mixing the bench in with the starters more (which several of us have been calling for for awhile now).  Today, for instance, instead of going to four or five bench players in the second quarter, Doc went with a mix of bench guys with Rondo and Ray.  Naturally, when the bench guys play with better teammates, they're going to play better, as well.
I agree Doc has mixed in two or three bench players at a time effectively with the starters. He actually is 'staggering' them in until he has four bench players with a starter. He still ended up with the four I mentioned-Scal, Davis, Pruitt and House on the floor for a good length of time from the end of the first through a good portion of the second quarter tonite. (The commentators mentioned that he was rewarding the bench for keeping the lead and playing well)

My main point was not that Pruitt is the PG of our future, but that the combination of he and Eddie with Paul or Ray at the SF is working. I dont necessarily think Pruitt is a better player than Tony, especially on the defensive end. I do think he compliments Eddie House much more effectively because of his ballhandling and shooting.
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2009, 09:44:34 PM »

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I think one of the reasons the team has looked a lot better in this stretch is because there really hasn't been a "second unit". 

Rather, Doc has been mixing the bench in with the starters more (which several of us have been calling for for awhile now).  Today, for instance, instead of going to four or five bench players in the second quarter, Doc went with a mix of bench guys with Rondo and Ray.  Naturally, when the bench guys play with better teammates, they're going to play better, as well.

Do you have any statistical evidence of that?

Because although that would be somewhat natural (Tony Allen is, for all effects, the only backup wing), I don't see a big difference. For example, today, unlike you said, Doc went with four bench players in the second quarter. Only after Pruitt got his 3rd foul Rondo re-entered the game.

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Anyway, I'm not very impressed with Pruitt so far. It's still soon though, and he shows signs of quality, so let's give him some more time.

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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2009, 10:23:58 PM »

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For example, today, unlike you said, Doc went with four bench players in the second quarter.

Doc had four bench players on the floor for a total of 1:37 in the second quarter.  During such time, the Celts were outscored by 3 points.  That was the only time in the first three quarters that the Celts had more than three bench guys in there at once.

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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2009, 10:28:36 PM »

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For example, today, unlike you said, Doc went with four bench players in the second quarter.

Doc had four bench players on the floor for a total of 1:37 in the second quarter.  During such time, the Celts were outscored by 3 points.  That was the only time in the first three quarters that the Celts had more than three bench guys in there at once.

Yeps, as I've said, he went with the traditional 4 bench+1 starter unit until Pruitt got in foul trouble. I wouldn't read to much on the score of a 1:30 minutes stretch.
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For example, vs. Miami, Doc started the 2nd quarter with Pruitt/House/Powe/Scal/Pierce. Then Ray entered to replace Pierce. Only with 6 minutes to go the starters came back.

Vs. Orlando, he started the 2nd quarter with Pruitt/House/Scal/Davis/Pierce. He ended the 3rd and started the 4th with Pruitt/House/Pierce/Davis/Powe.

If there's a difference is minimal and mostly due to the fact that we don't really have legit wings on the bench besides the rookies (Scal is more a big and Pruitt is undersized even for a 2guard)

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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2009, 10:57:35 PM »

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For example, vs. Miami, Doc started the 2nd quarter with Pruitt/House/Powe/Scal/Pierce. Then Ray entered to replace Pierce. Only with 6 minutes to go the starters came back.

Vs. Orlando, he started the 2nd quarter with Pruitt/House/Scal/Davis/Pierce. He ended the 3rd and started the 4th with Pruitt/House/Pierce/Davis/Powe.

If there's a difference is minimal and mostly due to the fact that we don't really have legit wings on the bench besides the rookies (Scal is more a big and Pruitt is undersized even for a 2guard)

In those games, the bench played together (4+ guys) for a total of six minutes or less.  In the Miami game, the team was -5 with four bench guys in there; in Orlando, they were +2.  The fact that Doc has been playing the bench *less* together (he hasn't eliminated completely, but he's been doing it less) has had positive results.

(For instance, in the last two losses, Doc played the four bench guys together 10+ minutes in each game.  I'm not going to go through every game before and since the streak, but anecdotally, it seems like the bench players are getting more minutes with the starters, and the games I'm spot-checked seem to confirm that.)

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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2009, 11:27:11 PM »

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I think Gabe has not made a good use of the extra minutes he has received since Tony has been out. He is still tentative, he has been turnover prone, and doesn't seem to contribute offensively except in garbage time. Today was a step back for him, drawing 3 quick fouls.  I like the kid, but he has to step up and take it to the other team, and stop trying to avoid making mistakes.  He actually is a good penetrator when he puts his mind to it.

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Wow, I think this thread is brilliant. Truly an excellent topic. Reminds me of a subject I read somewhere else recently. Oh yeah, the one I started on the front page this morning.

Anyway, I have noticed Doc going with the two starters and three bench guys rotations more often. Am I saying it's happening every game? No. But I specifically remember him using it in the second quarter of one of the Toronto games, in the second quarter of the Phoenix game, for a decent part of the 2nd quarter of the Orlando game, and for today's game. Also, he has never gone to a 5 man all bench lineup in the 1st half of any game over the last 8-9 games that I can remember.

Has he gone to all bench squads in the second halves of games during blowouts? Of course he has. But he hasn't in the first half and that's a change from the beginning part of the year. And he is mixing in the two starter, three bench stuff more often, usually in tighter games.

I think this is a huge difference from what Doc used to do which was play bunches of 5 man Green Teams in the 2nd and 4th quarters no matter the situation or the score. And if he didn't go to the all bench team he only ever had one starter on the court at a time for 8-9 minute stretches in each half.

He has completely gone away from those long stretches unless it's a blowout and has kept starters in there more and more. Not all the time but definitely way more than the first 30 games of the year. I think he's learned that every game is absolutely needing a constant flow the whole game and not these hills and valleys in swings that the way he was coaching and the way the players were playing was creating.

But to the Tony Allen thing. Couple of things. Since he has been out both Doc and Tom Thibs have publicly criticized Tony Allen's defense stating that it hasn't been near as good and been very over rated by many. Danny has gone public with the statement that Pruitt might be the team's best perimeter defender. Couple that with a very simple stat that both Coach Thibs and Doc have mentioned, turnovers.

In 11 MPG in Jan. Gabe Pruitt is averaging 0.5 TOPG. In 18.8 MPG Eddie House has averaged 0.8 TOPG. They have been Jan.'s main bench backcourt as TA has only played in 2 games this month.

Compare that to the month of Dec. where the primary bench backcourt was Eddie House playing 16.9 MPG and having 0.9 TOPG and TA playing 19.3 MPG and averaging 2.2 TOPG. The difference in TO's generated by the backcourt has been huge. As has been Eddie's increase in shooting percentage as he's shooting went from 39.8% in Dec to 46.4% in Jan. The difference, the ability to play to his strength of having someone getting him the ball where he can do the most damage rather than having to worry about running the team.

Personally I think it's a no brainer and Doc has to keep the true PG at the helm and tell Tony if he wants minutes he is going to need to dislodge Eddie from the SG position or wait for Pruitt or Eddie to play themselves out of the rotation. This group is working and screwing with it would be bad.

And.....I'm going to go out on a ledge and say a bunch of you are wrong. Doc isn't just going to give Tony his minutes back. I think he's starting to trust Pruitt and from the comments that came out of him regarding Tony's defense I think he may have lost some in Tony. Because let's face it, if Tony can't give you good defense out there, he's a liability.

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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2009, 11:36:55 PM »

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I think Gabe has not made a good use of the extra minutes he has received since Tony has been out. He is still tentative, he has been turnover prone, and doesn't seem to contribute offensively except in garbage time. Today was a step back for him, drawing 3 quick fouls.  I like the kid, but he has to step up and take it to the other team, and stop trying to avoid making mistakes.  He actually is a good penetrator when he puts his mind to it.
Turnover prone??

Are we watching the same games??

Pruitt has averaged 0.5 TO's per game in 11 MPG. That's pretty [dang] good considering he's a PG.