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Re: Bill Walker
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2009, 10:12:46 AM »

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I have a Bill Walker jersey on right now, i've loved this kid since he was a high profile high school prospect. also: i've made my first mix ever and guess who its of?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACkJl0UGO7A#

TP for the mix, I love watching this kid play.
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Re: Bill Walker
« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2009, 08:30:45 AM »

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i want to see the kid really play. i'm excited during blowouts; i scream walker time. i think this year alone he could be a 15+ ppg scorer with more minutes.

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Re: Bill Walker
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2009, 12:11:21 PM »

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i want to see the kid really play. i'm excited during blowouts; i scream walker time. i think this year alone he could be a 15+ ppg scorer with more minutes.

i agree except that he would foul out every other game, thats one of his major issues up to this point. He defenitly has the chops to score in this league though.

Re: Bill Walker
« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2009, 01:46:21 PM »

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Walker's had some flashy plays, but we don't know yet whether he can contribute to this squad.

Now's the time to find out.  Ease him into the rotation, as they've been doing with Pruitt.  10-15 minutes a night.  A few minutes with the starters.  Keep him on a short leash, but let's see if he's ready to take over TA's role down the stretch.  Not even necessarily a complaint about TA's abilities - even if TA was playing at his best, we're still lacking in having someone with the size and strength to match up against some of the bigger 3s.  Be good to see - in real-game action, not just garbage time, if Walker's got the ability to D up some of the bigger 3s. 

If Walker's going to have a role on this team, it will be playing D - but we'll never know if he CAN D up at the NBA level if he's only getting garbage-time minutes.

Re: Bill Walker
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2009, 02:08:49 PM »

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It's just you.

  That's harsh.

  With so many people on this blog, there must be at least 1-2 others that feel the same way...

I apologize for being harsh, but c'mon, the kid has done nothing but throw down a few dunks in garbage time. ::)

Hm. More than TA has done, with less stupidity, even.

Um, no. Tony actually played well in a few MEANINGFUL games.  Walker hasn't.

2006-2007 was meaningful?  ???

Tony played well a few games THIS season.  Hello!

Once. Against a Detroit team that just traded for Iverson. Other than that, nothing else is really even note worthy.

And Bill Walker has played well a few games this season, just in limited minutes.

Meaningful games? Nope. But neither were any of the games TA played in. Only the post season really matters, everyone knows that. And what was TA doing while we made our title run? Oh, right. Waving a freaking towel on a bench.

Is this a joke? You don't like TA as a player that's fine. But don't sit here and try to play Tony down to make it look like Bill Walker has actually done a single thing of real merit this year. He hasn't...period. Say what you want about Tony but even in mentioning the small handful of games where Tony has peformed well he's still light years ahead of Bill Walker who to be honest, right now couldn't even spell the word defense let alone play any.

Anyone can play team defense, first of all and really though... WHAT has Tony Allen done? And if he really has done anything, what makes it so much more significant than what Walker has done? The fact of the matter is that Walker has played pretty well in the time he is given, and it's not his fault Doc Rivers never see's a player's real talent unless it's shoved right into his face because of injuries.

Have a look at Al Jefferson, granted he was a high school rookie coming into the league, but he still shouldn't have been playing behind Mark freakin' Blount and Raef LaFrentz. Not like the could rebound or play defense better than Al.

Then Delonte didn't play at all his rookie year, now he was injured a lot from what I remember but when we traded Payton to Atlanta, Delonte stepped in, played fantastic, then returned to the bench.

Next example; Ryan Gomes, who didn't play until half the season was over just because he was a rookie.

Oh, and we also have everyone's current binky... Rajon Rondo, who if I remember correctly, was on the bench behind Sebastian Telfair. The same Sebastian Telfair that essentially was exiled from Boston by the ownership for being a complete idiot. God knows how he is still in the league.

The point is just because Doc Rivers doesn't give Bill Walker a chance, doesn't mean he isn't worthy, doesn't even have to mean he has better players a head of him in the depth chart (Which obviously Ray and Pierce are better, but I really, really don't know if you can say that about Tony.)

And for the record, and you can even go back in look, during the summer I was a huge advocate for bring TA back, I really thought that dunk against the Lakers in game six would really spark something in his head, but he isn't the same player he was a couple years ago, and even when TA was TA, he was NEVER good at coming off the bench, and it's not like we can start him over Ray.

So, I don't have a thing against Tony, but right now I think Bill is a better player, and a better fit and to discredit the little Bill has done already just because Doc doesn't want to give him Tony's minutes is ridiculous.

Re: Bill Walker
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2009, 05:19:37 PM »

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Walker made some nice plays today, hitting shots, setting Eddie up. He even had a nice play on D where he caused George to commit a shot clock violation.

Re: Bill Walker
« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2009, 05:32:03 PM »

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It's just you.

  That's harsh.

  With so many people on this blog, there must be at least 1-2 others that feel the same way...

I apologize for being harsh, but c'mon, the kid has done nothing but throw down a few dunks in garbage time. ::)

Hm. More than TA has done, with less stupidity, even.

Um, no. Tony actually played well in a few MEANINGFUL games.  Walker hasn't.

2006-2007 was meaningful?  ???

Tony played well a few games THIS season.  Hello!

Once. Against a Detroit team that just traded for Iverson. Other than that, nothing else is really even note worthy.

And Bill Walker has played well a few games this season, just in limited minutes.

Meaningful games? Nope. But neither were any of the games TA played in. Only the post season really matters, everyone knows that. And what was TA doing while we made our title run? Oh, right. Waving a freaking towel on a bench.

Is this a joke? You don't like TA as a player that's fine. But don't sit here and try to play Tony down to make it look like Bill Walker has actually done a single thing of real merit this year. He hasn't...period. Say what you want about Tony but even in mentioning the small handful of games where Tony has peformed well he's still light years ahead of Bill Walker who to be honest, right now couldn't even spell the word defense let alone play any.

Anyone can play team defense, first of all and really though... WHAT has Tony Allen done? And if he really has done anything, what makes it so much more significant than what Walker has done? The fact of the matter is that Walker has played pretty well in the time he is given, and it's not his fault Doc Rivers never see's a player's real talent unless it's shoved right into his face because of injuries.

Have a look at Al Jefferson, granted he was a high school rookie coming into the league, but he still shouldn't have been playing behind Mark freakin' Blount and Raef LaFrentz. Not like the could rebound or play defense better than Al.

Then Delonte didn't play at all his rookie year, now he was injured a lot from what I remember but when we traded Payton to Atlanta, Delonte stepped in, played fantastic, then returned to the bench.

Next example; Ryan Gomes, who didn't play until half the season was over just because he was a rookie.

Oh, and we also have everyone's current binky... Rajon Rondo, who if I remember correctly, was on the bench behind Sebastian Telfair. The same Sebastian Telfair that essentially was exiled from Boston by the ownership for being a complete idiot. God knows how he is still in the league.

The point is just because Doc Rivers doesn't give Bill Walker a chance, doesn't mean he isn't worthy, doesn't even have to mean he has better players a head of him in the depth chart (Which obviously Ray and Pierce are better, but I really, really don't know if you can say that about Tony.)

And for the record, and you can even go back in look, during the summer I was a huge advocate for bring TA back, I really thought that dunk against the Lakers in game six would really spark something in his head, but he isn't the same player he was a couple years ago, and even when TA was TA, he was NEVER good at coming off the bench, and it's not like we can start him over Ray.

So, I don't have a thing against Tony, but right now I think Bill is a better player, and a better fit and to discredit the little Bill has done already just because Doc doesn't want to give him Tony's minutes is ridiculous.
There's so much revisionist history and looking back at players current capabilities and believing they had them way back then that I wouldn't even know where to begin to dispute everything. So I'll just say that i think you might be looking back with a Monday morning quarterback's eye on this one and leave it at that.

Re: Bill Walker
« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2009, 05:46:59 PM »

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Plus once we were in full on tanking mode for draft position Rondo was limited to few minutes behind Telfair.

Re: Bill Walker
« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2009, 06:00:07 PM »

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I want to know why some Celtics fans are so focused on developing the young guys. It's like we had to live only with potential and not success for so long, we can't handle just winning.

Back at the end of the glory days (when we were still pretty good, but were looking for new players to carry the team), there was excitement over those young guys who could step in immediately (e.g. Reggie Lewis, Brian Shaw, Dee Brown). But these guys showed they could play immediately. It wasn't just that they oozed potential (like Gerald Green, Marcus Banks, Kedrick Brown).

I think it is important to plan for the future, but I don't understand those people who are upset that Billy Walker isn't getting enough playing time. Calm down and enjoy the present.

Re: Bill Walker
« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2009, 11:35:39 PM »

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I don't think Bankshot was harsh. He's right. Walker has shown in three games during garbage time that he can show a little something. That's fabulous. But the OP's idea of fun is probaby out of tune with a very large majority of the people who post here. Why's it harsh to let him know that.

Personally, I think it's fun to watch the starters. I love the chemistry. I love the knowledge that they have 5 guys that function as one. I love watching the passing and the defense. As a Celtic fan, that's most fun for me.

I got 20 years of watching fun young players develop. I'm all fun-ed out watching youngsters who might have a little something try to perform at a level that could help this team. I'd rather watch excellence and wins and championships.



Yep.  Every time I see him I'm reminded of the fun glory days of Kedrick Brown and Gerald Green. 

Walker is not ready to contribute on a regular basis. He'll be an instigator. I am not quite ready to relegate Bill Walker to the class of Kedrick Brown or Jerome Moiso yet (those were two of Chris Wallaces (I mean RP) finest selections).
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Re: Bill Walker
« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2009, 11:51:23 PM »

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I want to know why some Celtics fans are so focused on developing the young guys. It's like we had to live only with potential and not success for so long, we can't handle just winning.

Back at the end of the glory days (when we were still pretty good, but were looking for new players to carry the team), there was excitement over those young guys who could step in immediately (e.g. Reggie Lewis, Brian Shaw, Dee Brown). But these guys showed they could play immediately. It wasn't just that they oozed potential (like Gerald Green, Marcus Banks, Kedrick Brown).

I think it is important to plan for the future, but I don't understand those people who are upset that Billy Walker isn't getting enough playing time. Calm down and enjoy the present.

With Walker, the team could use a reserve 3, who's bigger. He has the size, has played decent D and shown offensive ability. I think its more excitement over having a quality reserve at this point.

Re: Bill Walker
« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2009, 11:58:27 PM »

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It's just you.

  That's harsh.

  With so many people on this blog, there must be at least 1-2 others that feel the same way...

I apologize for being harsh, but c'mon, the kid has done nothing but throw down a few dunks in garbage time. ::)

Hm. More than TA has done, with less stupidity, even.

Um, no. Tony actually played well in a few MEANINGFUL games.  Walker hasn't.

2006-2007 was meaningful?  ???

Tony played well a few games THIS season.  Hello!

Once. Against a Detroit team that just traded for Iverson. Other than that, nothing else is really even note worthy.

And Bill Walker has played well a few games this season, just in limited minutes.

Meaningful games? Nope. But neither were any of the games TA played in. Only the post season really matters, everyone knows that. And what was TA doing while we made our title run? Oh, right. Waving a freaking towel on a bench.

Is this a joke? You don't like TA as a player that's fine. But don't sit here and try to play Tony down to make it look like Bill Walker has actually done a single thing of real merit this year. He hasn't...period. Say what you want about Tony but even in mentioning the small handful of games where Tony has peformed well he's still light years ahead of Bill Walker who to be honest, right now couldn't even spell the word defense let alone play any.

Anyone can play team defense, first of all and really though... WHAT has Tony Allen done? And if he really has done anything, what makes it so much more significant than what Walker has done? The fact of the matter is that Walker has played pretty well in the time he is given, and it's not his fault Doc Rivers never see's a player's real talent unless it's shoved right into his face because of injuries.

Have a look at Al Jefferson, granted he was a high school rookie coming into the league, but he still shouldn't have been playing behind Mark freakin' Blount and Raef LaFrentz. Not like the could rebound or play defense better than Al.

Then Delonte didn't play at all his rookie year, now he was injured a lot from what I remember but when we traded Payton to Atlanta, Delonte stepped in, played fantastic, then returned to the bench.

Next example; Ryan Gomes, who didn't play until half the season was over just because he was a rookie.

Oh, and we also have everyone's current binky... Rajon Rondo, who if I remember correctly, was on the bench behind Sebastian Telfair. The same Sebastian Telfair that essentially was exiled from Boston by the ownership for being a complete idiot. God knows how he is still in the league.

The point is just because Doc Rivers doesn't give Bill Walker a chance, doesn't mean he isn't worthy, doesn't even have to mean he has better players a head of him in the depth chart (Which obviously Ray and Pierce are better, but I really, really don't know if you can say that about Tony.)

And for the record, and you can even go back in look, during the summer I was a huge advocate for bring TA back, I really thought that dunk against the Lakers in game six would really spark something in his head, but he isn't the same player he was a couple years ago, and even when TA was TA, he was NEVER good at coming off the bench, and it's not like we can start him over Ray.

So, I don't have a thing against Tony, but right now I think Bill is a better player, and a better fit and to discredit the little Bill has done already just because Doc doesn't want to give him Tony's minutes is ridiculous.

Really?? So you're answer is blame Doc for not seeing the talent sooner? And that's why Walker isn't playing now. No chance at all that a championship coach could've seen EXACTLY what the talent level and appropriate level of contribution was for each of those young players at that time? Of course not. No chance Rivers through patience and teach could've coached and developed those players into assets that could procure HOF talent from other teams, huh?? Cuz that would be crazy.  ::)

Anyone can play team defense?? Not Bill Walker. Not right now anyway. I'm sorry but the kid's a hacker right now. He couldn't last 5 consecutive minutes on the floor right now without giving at least 3 fouls. I understand Walker is the new Gerald Green(and by that I mean new "next big thing" kid) but why not ease off and let this kid take his time. He's gonna be good eventually but right now despite what you may think of Tony, he has played in meaningful minutes this year and guarded primetime players. Walker couldn't sniff his jock right now.
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Re: Bill Walker
« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2009, 12:21:20 AM »

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Is it me or this sky-Walker guy likes to showoff? He likes the spotlight & lets everyone know about it. And I love it! Reminds me of house, the way he takes it to his opponent every single game & never backs down. We might have found something special as long as he keeps working on his game similar to (Rondo, Perk, BBD, Gabe)

Re: Bill Walker
« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2011, 08:51:39 AM »

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(bump)

Since Quisy is out and PP will start playing more minutes, I thought I'd get a jump on the "bring back Bill Walker" and "we never should have traded Bill Walker" threads...

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Re: Bill Walker
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2011, 08:58:04 AM »

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Never should have traded him.