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Re: What the Scouts are Saying (About The Contending Teams)
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2009, 12:10:22 PM »

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Ariza being a "mini pippen" is the dumbest thing Ive heard since "Kobe is better than MJ"
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Re: What the Scouts are Saying (About The Contending Teams)
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2009, 12:10:35 PM »

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Well, it's no secret that I like TA. He doesn't bring what Posey brings, but Posey wasn't in the league's top ten in steals, either.

TA is what he is, an energy player who does alot of good things (including things that don't show in the box score), but who is also capable of glaringly bad plays when his mind gets ahead of his body.  

I wish people would stop knocking TA because an apple isn't an orange.

Re: What the Scouts are Saying (About The Contending Teams)
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2009, 12:15:41 PM »

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Well, it's no secret that I like TA. He doesn't bring what Posey brings, but Posey wasn't in the league's top ten in steals, either.

TA is what he is, an energy player who does alot of good things (including things that don't show in the box score), but who is also capable of glaringly bad plays when his mind gets ahead of his body.  

I wish people would stop knocking TA because an apple isn't an orange.

Why oh why do you like Tony Allen? hes dumber than a rock, sorry but he should and eventually will be out of this league..useless
Sometimes just being a Celtic isnt enough...I just dont see or understand how you can like him
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Re: What the Scouts are Saying (About The Contending Teams)
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2009, 12:45:19 PM »

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Because he plays good D and takes the ball to the rack.

Re: What the Scouts are Saying (About The Contending Teams)
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2009, 01:09:35 PM »

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Well, it's no secret that I like TA. He doesn't bring what Posey brings, but Posey wasn't in the league's top ten in steals, either.

TA is what he is, an energy player who does alot of good things (including things that don't show in the box score), but who is also capable of glaringly bad plays when his mind gets ahead of his body.  

I wish people would stop knocking TA because an apple isn't an orange.

Why oh why do you like Tony Allen? hes dumber than a rock, sorry but he should and eventually will be out of this league..useless
Sometimes just being a Celtic isnt enough...I just dont see or understand how you can like him
I'm pretty sick of the "dumber than a rock" whenever you want to show a player is bad. All players make bone headed decisions, and Brick's analysis that he makes bad plays when "his mind gets ahead of his body" seems a lot more dead on. If by dumber than a rock you mean bad BBall instinct, I disagree. His anticipation in the passing lanes, and his drop off passed when he drives show he's got SOME good instincts.

If by bad BBIQ you mean he's undisciplined - I'll agree - but again I think it's more getting ahead of himself and trying to do the right thing, than not knowing what the right thing is.

Re: What the Scouts are Saying (About The Contending Teams)
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2009, 03:03:33 PM »

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Well, it's no secret that I like TA. He doesn't bring what Posey brings, but Posey wasn't in the league's top ten in steals, either.

TA is what he is, an energy player who does alot of good things (including things that don't show in the box score), but who is also capable of glaringly bad plays when his mind gets ahead of his body.  

I wish people would stop knocking TA because an apple isn't an orange.

Why oh why do you like Tony Allen? hes dumber than a rock, sorry but he should and eventually will be out of this league..useless
Sometimes just being a Celtic isnt enough...I just dont see or understand how you can like him
I'm pretty sick of the "dumber than a rock" whenever you want to show a player is bad. All players make bone headed decisions, and Brick's analysis that he makes bad plays when "his mind gets ahead of his body" seems a lot more dead on. If by dumber than a rock you mean bad BBall instinct, I disagree. His anticipation in the passing lanes, and his drop off passed when he drives show he's got SOME good instincts.

If by bad BBIQ you mean he's undisciplined - I'll agree - but again I think it's more getting ahead of himself and trying to do the right thing, than not knowing what the right thing is.


Um, have you ever heard him talk? he sounds pretty [dang] stupid.... He also plays stupid..how can you even deny it? its beyond homerism to deny that this kid has one of the lowest basketball IQs in the NBA history
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Sorry, but youre sick of hearing how dumb tony is and im sick of hearing how good a defender he is, ****, im not blind, hes **** below average and hes the most eratic out of control "slasher" in league history..He has no room on a high BBIQ team, just doesnt make sense
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Re: What the Scouts are Saying (About The Contending Teams)
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2009, 03:11:25 PM »

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Well, it's no secret that I like TA. He doesn't bring what Posey brings, but Posey wasn't in the league's top ten in steals, either.

TA is what he is, an energy player who does alot of good things (including things that don't show in the box score), but who is also capable of glaringly bad plays when his mind gets ahead of his body.  

I wish people would stop knocking TA because an apple isn't an orange.

Why oh why do you like Tony Allen? hes dumber than a rock, sorry but he should and eventually will be out of this league..useless
Sometimes just being a Celtic isnt enough...I just dont see or understand how you can like him
I'm pretty sick of the "dumber than a rock" whenever you want to show a player is bad. All players make bone headed decisions, and Brick's analysis that he makes bad plays when "his mind gets ahead of his body" seems a lot more dead on. If by dumber than a rock you mean bad BBall instinct, I disagree. His anticipation in the passing lanes, and his drop off passed when he drives show he's got SOME good instincts.

If by bad BBIQ you mean he's undisciplined - I'll agree - but again I think it's more getting ahead of himself and trying to do the right thing, than not knowing what the right thing is.


Since when has lowering your head and driving wildly into the lane whether it was open or not ever been considered the "right thing"?! The proof that he is stupid is that every time he commits that same turnover, the look on his face is one of utter surprise. It doesn't matter how many times he makes the same boneheaded play, he can't seem to understand why he got called for the charge again, or why he lost the ball out of bounds again.

The guy is a decent defender ONLY because he is athletic. He makes a lot of fundamental errors out there defensively that his athleticism allows him to often recover from. If he was smart enough to not over run his defender, or get faked into the air he could truly be a special defender. He's just not very bright though. I mean that on and OFF the court as well.

Re: What the Scouts are Saying (About The Contending Teams)
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2009, 03:21:47 PM »

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Because he plays good D and takes the ball to the rack.

so this is enough for you to like him? ( hes an average defender and is an eratic driver with no jumpshot) Yet I see you making Anti-James Posey threads and posts all the time...A guy who helped the celtics win a championship while being a vital bench player...this wasnt enough for you to like Poz, and you legitimately prefer tony turnover? ridicolous..
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Re: What the Scouts are Saying (About The Contending Teams)
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2009, 03:37:36 PM »

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Because he plays good D and takes the ball to the rack.

so this is enough for you to like him? ( hes an average defender and is an eratic driver with no jumpshot) Yet I see you making Anti-James Posey threads and posts all the time...A guy who helped the celtics win a championship while being a vital bench player...this wasnt enough for you to like Poz, and you legitimately prefer tony turnover? ridicolous..

I'm with Brick on this one.  You are dead wrong about TA's D, he is one of the league's best at his position, if you can't recognize that you either aren't watching the games or have a bias against him.  Its not about 'not liking Posey' - we all loved the guy - its about recognizing current team development.

Add to that the contribution that Scal is making, which is currently pretty darn close to replicating Posey's role last year, and JP just becomes less and less of an issue.

imho, TA + Scal > Posey

Re: What the Scouts are Saying (About The Contending Teams)
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2009, 03:38:37 PM »

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His defense is vastly overrated and his drives to the basket result in plenty of misses and turnovers.

But ... his lack of basketball sense is probably more of a contrast with Posey, who plays the game with great basketball sense.

I'd move Tony for anything with a pulse right now.
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Re: What the Scouts are Saying (About The Contending Teams)
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2009, 03:49:37 PM »

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His defense is vastly overrated and his drives to the basket result in plenty of misses and turnovers.

But ... his lack of basketball sense is probably more of a contrast with Posey, who plays the game with great basketball sense.

I'd move Tony for anything with a pulse right now.

  His athleticism is also a big contrast to Posey, who you overrate at about the same level that many overrate Tony Allen. He was the 6th best player on the team last year, a good but not exceptional 6th man.

Re: What the Scouts are Saying (About The Contending Teams)
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2009, 03:58:09 PM »

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Because of Manu's injury last season? I can't even remember one of their players being injured during other playoffs.


I remember Manu's injury last season.

When have those injuries you're talking about happened?

I'm not totally, sure, and I don't really want to go look it up. If you look it up and prove to me that they didn't happen then TP for you.

LOL

Save the TP. You were the one making the claim that the Spurs players were injury-prone, right? I'd expect you to provide evidence for that and I really don't know how could one prove that Duncan has been relatively healthy throughout his career.

Anyway, if you don't have evidence for that and just made it up, that's fine with me.


Alright, wow. Way to be a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.. So I don't have stats, and I don't want to look up things on the internet. That's no reason to just blatantly disrespect me. I don't know where to look for the stats and I don't feel like putting in a ton of effort to prove what I'm saying to you, because I have better things to do.

 ;D Look, I'm sorry if you feel insulted, I apologize for that and I can assure you it was not my intention. It's just that there's no factual basis whatsoever to back your assertion that the Spurs should be ruled out of contenting status because of extreme injury proneness.

You can check the amount of games and injuries alerts players had here:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/players/Tim_Duncan/ (this one is for Duncan). I mean, they had injuries here and there, and Ginobilli has been playing every Summer for years, but what about Ray and his ankles reconstruction? Or Perkins shoulder? Or Ilgauskas? Or Trevor Ariza? I'd be far more worried with those guys than with the Spurs.

Re: What the Scouts are Saying (About The Contending Teams)
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2009, 04:04:47 PM »

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Posey made a great contribution to the Celtics last year.
This year, with the Hornets, his impact has been minimal.

A few regular season victories one way or the other mean little.  We won't know until playoff time if Posey would have been a difference maker for the Celtics this year.

My guess is that the Celtics will do just as well without him, but only time will tell.

BTW, the differences in record between this year and last have very little to do with Posey's absence, and everything to do with the fact that (1) teams like LA and Cleveland have improved, and (2) the Celtics' early season schedule did not permit them to get any rest.

Every time I saw Brickowski making an optimistic prediction re: the C's, I instantaneously become much more skeptical. :S And I thought you guaranteed the Hornets would win the West.

I've always said the absence of Posey would be of little significance during the regular season. But of course it's being felt - and it'd be enough to guarantee a couple of wins by the end of the year.

His athleticism is also a big contrast to Posey, who you overrate at about the same level that many overrate Tony Allen. He was the 6th best player on the team last year, a good but not exceptional 6th man.

Throughout his career, Posey has been the second or third best player in some play-off teams and a top4 or top5 player in championship teams.

You are dead wrong about TA's D, he is one of the league's best at his position, if you can't recognize that you either aren't watching the games or have a bias against him. 

Tom Thibodeau is a hater(I see he sitting on the bench, so I'm assuming he watches the games) !!!!

I like TA's D, he can be really good playing 1on1. But sometimes he's so unfocused that he becomes a liability. That's Tony Allen problem and biggest flaw. People can talk all they want about his skill-set. But that's missing the point.

Re: What the Scouts are Saying (About The Contending Teams)
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2009, 04:36:16 PM »

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His athleticism is also a big contrast to Posey, who you overrate at about the same level that many overrate Tony Allen. He was the 6th best player on the team last year, a good but not exceptional 6th man.

Throughout his career, Posey has been the second or third best player in some play-off teams and a top4 or top5 player in championship teams.


  So has Sam Cassell. I don't think Posey played at that level last year.

Re: What the Scouts are Saying (About The Contending Teams)
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2009, 05:12:12 PM »

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I think we only seem to miss Posey more because when we lost him we didn't re-fortify the bench. Had we gotten a few guys (vets) my guess is people would be saying we don't miss him. And if and when Ainge does get another Vet or Two for the run we may find that we in fact don't miss him as much as we thought...