O'Bryant, Walker Giddens must play

[Chris]

My whole comment was about TA, not Giddens. That was a whole tangent that he decided to go off on. I said I thought TA was more athletic than Giddens. Not sure why that is such a big stretch...

Well, I think it came off more like you were saying that Giddens was an average athlete, which he is not by any means. 

Really, I think Giddens is very similar to Tony was when he came into the league in many ways.  They were very similar athletes (agree to disagree), they both had questionable shots (although Giddens was better), they both have questionable ball handling, they both had off the court issues in their past, they both were seniors from the Big 12, and both draft picks came out of nowhere (if you go by mock drafts).

[crownsy]

My whole comment was about TA, not Giddens. That was a whole tangent that he decided to go off on. I said I thought TA was more athletic than Giddens. Not sure why that is such a big stretch...

Well, I think it came off more like you were saying that Giddens was an average athlete, which he is not by any means. 

Really, I think Giddens is very similar to Tony was when he came into the league in many ways.  They were very similar athletes (agree to disagree), they both had questionable shots (although Giddens was better), they both have questionable ball handling, they both had off the court issues in their past, they both were seniors from the Big 12, and both draft picks came out of nowhere (if you go by mock drafts).

hopefully thier career paths will diverge on;

Basketball IQ

and

Freakishly bad knee injuries.

[EJPLAYA]

My whole comment was about TA, not Giddens. That was a whole tangent that he decided to go off on. I said I thought TA was more athletic than Giddens. Not sure why that is such a big stretch...

Well, I think it came off more like you were saying that Giddens was an average athlete, which he is not by any means. 

Really, I think Giddens is very similar to Tony was when he came into the league in many ways.  They were very similar athletes (agree to disagree), they both had questionable shots (although Giddens was better), they both have questionable ball handling, they both had off the court issues in their past, they both were seniors from the Big 12, and both draft picks came out of nowhere (if you go by mock drafts).

I lumped him in there with 6 or 7 other guys I thought were less athletic than TA on our roster. Sure he may be close, but I never saw one thing in the preseason games that made me think he was anything special. It looked like a wasted pick since in addition to not really looking capable to play, the guy has a bad history which "hopefully" he has put behind him. Hopefully his time in the D League against better competition than what he faced in college will allow him to pick it up a notch.

Average athleticism in the NBA is nothing to sneeze at BTW.

[EJPLAYA]

My whole comment was about TA, not Giddens. That was a whole tangent that he decided to go off on. I said I thought TA was more athletic than Giddens. Not sure why that is such a big stretch...

I don't know where exactly I "Went Off", but uhm okay.

I was just trying to fill you in because you seemed misinformed.

Giddens is some where between 6'4 and 6'5, and if you stop the clip at 21/22 seconds of the clip, I'd say he's just below eye level with the rim.

I don't know what more you  expect.

Definition of a tangent: diverging from an original purpose or course.

Since my post was about TA being ONE OF the more athletic guys on our squad and I listed the guy in a list of 6-7 other guys on our team I thought were less athletic than TA, I would say it was accurate to say you "went off on a tangent" from what the topic of my post was.

Can you provide me with a Dr.'s note that says that Giddens is more athletic than TA since you are certain that I am so obviously "misinformed"?

Not sure why you are pursuing this line of discussion quite honestly. Are you Giddens father or something and upset that I feel TA is a little more athletic than your son? Talk about picking out an irrelevant point of my post and pouncing on it just to try and make yourself look smarter than someone...

[Chris]

My whole comment was about TA, not Giddens. That was a whole tangent that he decided to go off on. I said I thought TA was more athletic than Giddens. Not sure why that is such a big stretch...

Well, I think it came off more like you were saying that Giddens was an average athlete, which he is not by any means. 

Really, I think Giddens is very similar to Tony was when he came into the league in many ways.  They were very similar athletes (agree to disagree), they both had questionable shots (although Giddens was better), they both have questionable ball handling, they both had off the court issues in their past, they both were seniors from the Big 12, and both draft picks came out of nowhere (if you go by mock drafts).

I lumped him in there with 6 or 7 other guys I thought were less athletic than TA on our roster. Sure he may be close, but I never saw one thing in the preseason games that made me think he was anything special. It looked like a wasted pick since in addition to not really looking capable to play, the guy has a bad history which "hopefully" he has put behind him. Hopefully his time in the D League against better competition than what he faced in college will allow him to pick it up a notch.

Average athleticism in the NBA is nothing to sneeze at BTW.

Yes, but if Giddens had average athleticism, he would be bagging groceries right now.  His tremendous athleticism is what got him drafted, and will be his mealticket in the NBA. 

You are right that he didn't show it much in the preseason...but that it tough to do anyways, when you have no clue where you are supposed to be on the floor, and barely see the floor.

You are making it clear that you did not see him play in college (which is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of...there really wasn't that much reason to watch him in college), but at some point, you have to take into account the fact that some of us did, and are basing our opinions on seeing his athleticism in action, not just some footage of a slam dunk contest.

[EJPLAYA]

My whole comment was about TA, not Giddens. That was a whole tangent that he decided to go off on. I said I thought TA was more athletic than Giddens. Not sure why that is such a big stretch...

Well, I think it came off more like you were saying that Giddens was an average athlete, which he is not by any means. 

Really, I think Giddens is very similar to Tony was when he came into the league in many ways.  They were very similar athletes (agree to disagree), they both had questionable shots (although Giddens was better), they both have questionable ball handling, they both had off the court issues in their past, they both were seniors from the Big 12, and both draft picks came out of nowhere (if you go by mock drafts).

I lumped him in there with 6 or 7 other guys I thought were less athletic than TA on our roster. Sure he may be close, but I never saw one thing in the preseason games that made me think he was anything special. It looked like a wasted pick since in addition to not really looking capable to play, the guy has a bad history which "hopefully" he has put behind him. Hopefully his time in the D League against better competition than what he faced in college will allow him to pick it up a notch.

Average athleticism in the NBA is nothing to sneeze at BTW.

Yes, but if Giddens had average athleticism, he would be bagging groceries right now.  His tremendous athleticism is what got him drafted, and will be his mealticket in the NBA. 

You are right that he didn't show it much in the preseason...but that it tough to do anyways, when you have no clue where you are supposed to be on the floor, and barely see the floor.

You are making it clear that you did not see him play in college (which is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of...there really wasn't that much reason to watch him in college), but at some point, you have to take into account the fact that some of us did, and are basing our opinions on seeing his athleticism in action, not just some footage of a slam dunk contest.

That's great, but how does that discount the fact that I am saying that he isn't necessarily more athletic than TA is? We can read pages and pages of guys saying how important TA is to this team because of his athleticism. This wasn't even what I was trying to talk about in my post, and since we aren't really disagreeing about things, and if so barely, I'm not sure why we keep this going?! I guess it is a slow day... TP for insight though. The scouting reports do say he is very athletic so I hope he shows more than TA does with HIS athleticism. I was much more impressed with Walker though. HE is the one that looked athletic, and he didn't have any more clue than Giddens did.

[Chris]

My whole comment was about TA, not Giddens. That was a whole tangent that he decided to go off on. I said I thought TA was more athletic than Giddens. Not sure why that is such a big stretch...

Well, I think it came off more like you were saying that Giddens was an average athlete, which he is not by any means. 

Really, I think Giddens is very similar to Tony was when he came into the league in many ways.  They were very similar athletes (agree to disagree), they both had questionable shots (although Giddens was better), they both have questionable ball handling, they both had off the court issues in their past, they both were seniors from the Big 12, and both draft picks came out of nowhere (if you go by mock drafts).

I lumped him in there with 6 or 7 other guys I thought were less athletic than TA on our roster. Sure he may be close, but I never saw one thing in the preseason games that made me think he was anything special. It looked like a wasted pick since in addition to not really looking capable to play, the guy has a bad history which "hopefully" he has put behind him. Hopefully his time in the D League against better competition than what he faced in college will allow him to pick it up a notch.

Average athleticism in the NBA is nothing to sneeze at BTW.

Yes, but if Giddens had average athleticism, he would be bagging groceries right now.  His tremendous athleticism is what got him drafted, and will be his mealticket in the NBA. 

You are right that he didn't show it much in the preseason...but that it tough to do anyways, when you have no clue where you are supposed to be on the floor, and barely see the floor.

You are making it clear that you did not see him play in college (which is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of...there really wasn't that much reason to watch him in college), but at some point, you have to take into account the fact that some of us did, and are basing our opinions on seeing his athleticism in action, not just some footage of a slam dunk contest.

That's great, but how does that discount the fact that I am saying that he isn't necessarily more athletic than TA is? We can read pages and pages of guys saying how important TA is to this team because of his athleticism. This wasn't even what I was trying to talk about in my post, and since we aren't really disagreeing about things, and if so barely, I'm not sure why we keep this going?! I guess it is a slow day... TP for insight though. The scouting reports do say he is very athletic so I hope he shows more than TA does with HIS athleticism. I was much more impressed with Walker though. HE is the one that looked athletic, and he didn't have any more clue than Giddens did.

Fair enough.  I was just happy to have a discussion about something other than doom and gloom, and how Danny or Doc are messing things up.  TP for the discussion.  And I definitely agree that Walker is the diamond in the rough here.

[pearljammer10]

I completely agree. Get some fresh legs in there to give the stars a much needed rest. Whats the worst that can happen? We loose another game? The stars have already been showing that.

I've always been pushing for Patty O to start, since the beginning of the season. Why he hasn't been given Scal or Big Babys minutes is beyond me. There are always more pros than cons when you have a 7 footer on the floor. Rebounding and defense would improve with this oak in the middle. He may be soft, he may be young, who cares...This team needs length and he's on the bench waiting for the chance to provide it.

Give the kids some run before it is much to late and we need to start getting real worried.

[footey]

Preaching to the choir, pearljammer. I hear you.

[ManUp]

My whole comment was about TA, not Giddens. That was a whole tangent that he decided to go off on. I said I thought TA was more athletic than Giddens. Not sure why that is such a big stretch...

I don't know where exactly I "Went Off", but uhm okay.

I was just trying to fill you in because you seemed misinformed.

Giddens is some where between 6'4 and 6'5, and if you stop the clip at 21/22 seconds of the clip, I'd say he's just below eye level with the rim.

I don't know what more you  expect.

Definition of a tangent: diverging from an original purpose or course.

Since my post was about TA being ONE OF the more athletic guys on our squad and I listed the guy in a list of 6-7 other guys on our team I thought were less athletic than TA, I would say it was accurate to say you "went off on a tangent" from what the topic of my post was.

Can you provide me with a Dr.'s note that says that Giddens is more athletic than TA since you are certain that I am so obviously "misinformed"?

Not sure why you are pursuing this line of discussion quite honestly. Are you Giddens father or something and upset that I feel TA is a little more athletic than your son? Talk about picking out an irrelevant point of my post and pouncing on it just to try and make yourself look smarter than someone...

Lol, If I'm Giddens father you Glen Davis. Your pretty sensitive if your on the defensive about me quoting a small tidbit of your post. I wasn't pursuing anything, I was merely pointing out that Giddens isn't one of those middle of the pack athletes you were lumping him in with. You were the one who just tried to downplay Giddens' athleticism on what I think was a pretty impressive display. I guess It was arrogant of me to think there was something you might not have known. In the future I'll try not to quote you as to avoid you getting all worked up, and overreacting to a post.

[rondohondo]

Is Giddens or Walker on the active roster for tonights game? With PP having an injured knee , I would like to see at least one of these guys get some playing time tonight.

[EJPLAYA]

My whole comment was about TA, not Giddens. That was a whole tangent that he decided to go off on. I said I thought TA was more athletic than Giddens. Not sure why that is such a big stretch...

I don't know where exactly I "Went Off", but uhm okay.

I was just trying to fill you in because you seemed misinformed.

Giddens is some where between 6'4 and 6'5, and if you stop the clip at 21/22 seconds of the clip, I'd say he's just below eye level with the rim.

I don't know what more you  expect.

Definition of a tangent: diverging from an original purpose or course.

Since my post was about TA being ONE OF the more athletic guys on our squad and I listed the guy in a list of 6-7 other guys on our team I thought were less athletic than TA, I would say it was accurate to say you "went off on a tangent" from what the topic of my post was.

Can you provide me with a Dr.'s note that says that Giddens is more athletic than TA since you are certain that I am so obviously "misinformed"?

Not sure why you are pursuing this line of discussion quite honestly. Are you Giddens father or something and upset that I feel TA is a little more athletic than your son? Talk about picking out an irrelevant point of my post and pouncing on it just to try and make yourself look smarter than someone...

Lol, If I'm Giddens father you Glen Davis. Your pretty sensitive if your on the defensive about me quoting a small tidbit of your post. I wasn't pursuing anything, I was merely pointing out that Giddens isn't one of those middle of the pack athletes you were lumping him in with. You were the one who just tried to downplay Giddens' athleticism on what I think was a pretty impressive display. I guess It was arrogant of me to think there was something you might not have known. In the future I'll try not to quote you as to avoid you getting all worked up, and overreacting to a post.

And I am Glen Davis based on?!

If you want to point out to something to someone they might not have known, you may avoid talking down to them as if you are the almighty all knowing basketball genius and they are in need of your wisdom. In reviewing the NBA scouting reports I see multiple reports of the guy being extremely athletic. I was basing my comment on what I saw in preseason which was nothing, and that video of that dunk was a long ways from being impressive.

A simple "There are actually quite a few scouts that state that Giddens is extremely athletic" with a link to one wouldn't have sounded like you thought you were smarter than everyone...

I agree based on what I am seeing of these scouting reports from guys who actually do this for a living that the guy must be pretty athletic. Whether he is more athletic than TA I still don't know. What I have seen hasn't impressed me yet.

[ManUp]

My whole comment was about TA, not Giddens. That was a whole tangent that he decided to go off on. I said I thought TA was more athletic than Giddens. Not sure why that is such a big stretch...

I don't know where exactly I "Went Off", but uhm okay.

I was just trying to fill you in because you seemed misinformed.

Giddens is some where between 6'4 and 6'5, and if you stop the clip at 21/22 seconds of the clip, I'd say he's just below eye level with the rim.

I don't know what more you  expect.

Definition of a tangent: diverging from an original purpose or course.

Since my post was about TA being ONE OF the more athletic guys on our squad and I listed the guy in a list of 6-7 other guys on our team I thought were less athletic than TA, I would say it was accurate to say you "went off on a tangent" from what the topic of my post was.

Can you provide me with a Dr.'s note that says that Giddens is more athletic than TA since you are certain that I am so obviously "misinformed"?

Not sure why you are pursuing this line of discussion quite honestly. Are you Giddens father or something and upset that I feel TA is a little more athletic than your son? Talk about picking out an irrelevant point of my post and pouncing on it just to try and make yourself look smarter than someone...

Lol, If I'm Giddens father you Glen Davis. Your pretty sensitive if your on the defensive about me quoting a small tidbit of your post. I wasn't pursuing anything, I was merely pointing out that Giddens isn't one of those middle of the pack athletes you were lumping him in with. You were the one who just tried to downplay Giddens' athleticism on what I think was a pretty impressive display. I guess It was arrogant of me to think there was something you might not have known. In the future I'll try not to quote you as to avoid you getting all worked up, and overreacting to a post.

And I am Glen Davis based on?!

If you want to point out to something to someone they might not have known, you may avoid talking down to them as if you are the almighty all knowing basketball genius and they are in need of your wisdom. In reviewing the NBA scouting reports I see multiple reports of the guy being extremely athletic. I was basing my comment on what I saw in preseason which was nothing, and that video of that dunk was a long ways from being impressive.

A simple "There are actually quite a few scouts that state that Giddens is extremely athletic" with a link to one wouldn't have sounded like you thought you were smarter than everyone...

I agree based on what I am seeing of these scouting reports from guys who actually do this for a living that the guy must be pretty athletic. Whether he is more athletic than TA I still don't know. What I have seen hasn't impressed me yet.

I'm implying that your like Glen Davis in that your being too sensitive. Your being sensitive and taking exception to something that should be a non-issue. No one was talking down to you. You are imagining a tone in my post that simply isn't there.

I said 3 things. Giddens is a freak athlete, He might(keyword) be a better one then Tony, and that Tony at this point is closer to Powe in Athleticism. I fail to see how something like that can be considered condescending. If anything your follow up to my post was condescending.

...And Why exactly would I think saying Giddens is probably better athlete then Tony make me look smarter?

[Spfldkid]

A lot of people talk about POB, as if they have ever seen him play with this team....Well you haven't....only garbage minutes, which do not reaaly count. Just a lot of gunners ect.....POB can do a lot more than BBD, Scal, and eventually even Leon. Those guys cannot post up and dunk, I love Leon, but he isn't 7'. If this team ever plays POB in prime time, with some real players, and let him ride out his early mistakes and jitters, he will become a mojor player here. Perk was a foul a minute when he started, and he still loses his defensive assignments. Scal is allergic to paint, he never goes near it. Play POB prime time for a few games, like 6 or so, then talk stuff. Until then, you have nothing to say negatively about him. It is just your prediction and nothing else. Don't try to quote what you think he did in college, that means very little.

[guava_wrench]

A lot of people talk about POB, as if they have ever seen him play with this team....Well you haven't....only garbage minutes, which do not reaaly count. Just a lot of gunners ect.....POB can do a lot more than BBD, Scal, and eventually even Leon. Those guys cannot post up and dunk, I love Leon, but he isn't 7'. If this team ever plays POB in prime time, with some real players, and let him ride out his early mistakes and jitters, he will become a mojor player here. Perk was a foul a minute when he started, and he still loses his defensive assignments. Scal is allergic to paint, he never goes near it. Play POB prime time for a few games, like 6 or so, then talk stuff. Until then, you have nothing to say negatively about him. It is just your prediction and nothing else. Don't try to quote what you think he did in college, that means very little.

You talk as if the coaching staff hasn't seen what POB can (or better yet can't) do.