O'Bryant, Walker Giddens must play

[Who]

I'd like to see Giddens and Walker get an opportunity ahead of Brian Scalabrine as the Celtics second wing. Everyone already knows what Scal will contribute in that role, and he can easily be re-inserted later on if the rookies struggle. I'd like to see what they're capable of, particularly Giddens.

There's no role that O'Bryant can play.

[winsomme]

If a seasoned all-star cannot guard LeBron, what makes you think an unproven rookie can. We have never seen Walker or Giddens defend anyone in the league so there is no barometer to judge defensive ability against. Im all for playing them a little bit to see what they could bring to the table, but saying that if we put them in we could have stopped the King, that is a little farfetched

Absolutely agreed, especially since Lebron has about 4 inches on either Giddens or Walker.  If we're relying on rookies to be a "Lebron stopper", this team is truly screwed.

As for POB, he's averaging 7 turnovers and 12 fouls per 36 minutes, playing against scrubs in garbage time.  His coach says he's lazy, as did his former coach and GM.  I'm not sure what the fascination is, but the guy is a stiff.

As did the people who saw him in college.

TP. Said everything I would have said. Giddens and Walker have no hope against a player like Lebron, and O'Blount has no business in the league.

Then why did Ainge sign him?

Ask Ainge. But last I checked Danny was human which makes him falliable. The man does make mistakes you know.

I'd love to ask Danny why in the devil he did a lot of the things he did last summer. I have a boatload of questions about the Dumpster Diving Summer of 2008.

the only mistake that i see that he made was not resigning Pose...

the two draft picks seem to be playing well in the D-League and POB, for me at least, was a next year addition....

I know that we've been over this before but you really consider the Posey non sign his only mistake?

It's a mistake to not give Posey that extra year under the logic that it is wasting a year of the GPA window and yet signing POB isn't wasting a year of the POB window? Wouldn't signing a veteran, any productive veteran you could have gotten for similar money been better. Bonzi Wells at the same money wouldn't have helped more this year in the prime of the GPA window? I can't see how signing O'Bryant as a project when you have decided to already keep two rookie draftees on the roster is a wise decision when a productive veteran would have helped this team so much more.

And after watching Tony Allen and seen his propensity for dumb play and getting reinjured, you really think that was a good move on Ainge's part. That's 2.5 million over two years for a guy that's been the most injured player on the roster this year and who's game every single Tony Lover said would return to his 16 game miracle Tony form of 2006-07. It hasn't. He's the same old Tony. You know the guy this coach all but refused to play in the playoffs because he doesn't trust his decision making, play or game.

Sorry, if Danny wasn't going to overpay for Posey from the beginning and just given him what he wanted right away, he should have immediately jettisoned the idea of a Posey return and worked to bring in a better group of veteran's and maybe overpaid for someone reallly good.

well i'm not sure how willing or unwilling he was to overpay Pose. he clearly  had reservations about giving him that 4th year (never understood that) and didn't think anybody else would give it either (a misread on his part)...

but i also think that he thought would give the Cs a chance to match any offer...i guess he wasn't too happy with their initial offer or NOs offer was only good for a small window, either way it was not handled well and looks like a clear mistake...

as for it being the only mistake, my reasoning there is based on our bench last year being:

House
Pose
BBD
Powe

that was out bench for the majority of the season. and the only difference this year is no Pose.

i'm not saying Pose would cure everything that is wrong right now, but i do think that the offseason moves would look a lot better with him here.

[footey]

I think it is a mistake to dwell on last year and our success then.  The loss of Posey has just a little bit to do with our current woes. Does anyone think we would have won all, or even most of, the last 10 games if we only had Posey?  Seriously doubt it.

[Evantime34]

I think if O'Bryant can't give us anything when we are struggling and really need a big body, then he is useless and should be sent down to the D-League (if that is possible).

[gkiteisscal]

I think it is a mistake to dwell on last year and our success then.  The loss of Posey has just a little bit to do with our current woes. Does anyone think we would have won all, or even most of, the last 10 games if we only had Posey?  Seriously doubt it.

I couldn't agree with this more.  I think that he would have been useful in the Charlotte game taking on G.Wallace.  He had a great role.  The thin with the POse signing was ether we (fans) were going to be complaining about not having posey this year or having posey 2-3 years from now when danny or whoever is trying to rebuild the roster.  

The biggest problem with this team right now is not the personel, it is the passion. When Cleveland picked up the intensity in the 4th quarter the C's couldn't match it.  This was where the C's excelled last year.  They could match the intensity.  The C's showed in the games against LAL, Portland, NYK, Charlotte & Cleveland that when the going got tough they couldn't get going.  This had nothing to do with who was playing it has everything to do with the play.  It doesn't make a difference if TA or Posey are the 6th if PP can't stay in front of LBJ, your C has 1 rebound and your PG goes 1-8.  No matter how the bench plays you can't win games if your starters play like that.

Also, I do not think Danny will hesitate cutting POB if a better option comes along.  But he is not going to cut him to bring up question marks from the D-League b/c of depth issues. I can just imagine what the fan reaction would be if Perk has to have a couple games off & the C's find BBD in foul trouble & Scal has to play C against Shaq or the rookie from Stanford.  Meanwhile, Giddens or Walker end up being exactly what they are, scrubs.

[crownsy]

 2 horrid possessions with eddie at the point, would have hated to see gabe keep up his good play. thank god doc yanked him out quick. 

[gkiteisscal]

2 horrid possessions with eddie at the point, would have hated to see gabe keep up his good play. thank god doc yanked him out quick. 

unfortunately we know how Doc is w/young point guards.

[ManUp]

I won't say that the rookies deserve playing time, but I will say they shouldn't be in Utah. I think that the D-league is for players who are really behind development wise (or dumb players). I'm pretty sure that's not the case for Giddens or Walker they both seem to have NBA ready games. They should be practicing with and learning with the team, not with D-league scrubs.

The Celtics would be holding back the rookies by having them in the d-league. In my opinion, what they are basically doing is putting 4th graders in a second grade class. Sure you can try to make it more beneficial for the 4th graders, but they'll be learning at a much slower pace than they should be. The d-league doesn't seem challenging in the least bit for them.

We should keep these guys around with the hopes that they can step in at some point this season. The D-league won't have them ready to contribute. They aren't learning how to play with us on offense or defense. Even if they were learning some things they would probably learn much faster with the team. The way our bench is doing right now, It wouldn't really hurt to give them a look.

[Marco Vincent]

I agree with ManUp... what we saw from Walker and Giddens did seem like they were ready for at least minimal NBA time. 

[greenwise]

Well, it seems Doc doesn't think the same. 0 min for them

[nickagneta]

I won't say that the rookies deserve playing time, but I will say they shouldn't be in Utah. I think that the D-league is for players who are really behind development wise (or dumb players). I'm pretty sure that's not the case for Giddens or Walker they both seem to have NBA ready games. They should be practicing with and learning with the team, not with D-league scrubs.

The Celtics would be holding back the rookies by having them in the d-league. In my opinion, what they are basically doing is putting 4th graders in a second grade class. Sure you can try to make it more beneficial for the 4th graders, but they'll be learning at a much slower pace than they should be. The d-league doesn't seem challenging in the least bit for them.

We should keep these guys around with the hopes that they can step in at some point this season. The D-league won't have them ready to contribute. They aren't learning how to play with us on offense or defense. Even if they were learning some things they would probably learn much faster with the team. The way our bench is doing right now, It wouldn't really hurt to give them a look.

While I agree that I would like to see Walker and Giddens up spending more time on big team and working in the C's system and learning from our coaches, the fact remains that the Celtics have had little to no practice time and all the rooks would have been doing constructive would have been carrying Pierce's and KG's bags through airports for them.

Best not to let their games and physical conditions atrophy while doing nothing Best to send them somewhere where they can work on the things that need work in game time environments and continue their development.

[crownsy]

Well, it seems Doc doesn't think the same. 0 min for them

tough to play them when they are in another country.

but hey, mabey doc should have fired up the transporter at halftime and had them beamed in from boston so he could play them for you.

[EJPLAYA]

I won't say that the rookies deserve playing time, but I will say they shouldn't be in Utah. I think that the D-league is for players who are really behind development wise (or dumb players).


Maybe that is where TA has been the past couple games! He should be the poster child for the D league based on this.

(before anyone responds about where he really is I know he is injured)

[KCattheStripe]

Well, it seems Doc doesn't think the same. 0 min for them

tough to play them when they are in another country.

but hey, mabey doc should have fired up the transporter at halftime and had them beamed in from boston so he could play them for you.

The NBA: Where Star Trek technology happens.

[Donoghus]

Absolutely no on O'Bryant.  This guy doesn't belong on this team.

Regarding Walker and Giddens, from a personal interest standpoint, I'd like to see them out there in an NBA game just to gauge where they're at.  However, I don't think plugging either of those guys in the regular rotation is going to make a discernable difference.  Look, the C's have been slumping a bit but I really think its more due to lack of rest and the inability to get up to the same intensity that the Charlotte's and New York's of the world have been throwing at us lately.  Not necessarily, the need for a change in personnel.