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Joakim Noah on the trading block? C's should go after him!
« on: January 07, 2009, 05:03:53 AM »

Offline rondohondo

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According to this blog by Andy Katz, Joakim Noah has butted heads with bulls coach Vinny Del Negro and was recently fined for his reaction to a team rule that players are not allowed to eat in the locker room

http://dimemag.com/2009/01/is-joakim-noah-the-bulls-problem/
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The Chicago Tribune’s Rick Morrissey has no problem pointing the finger for the Bulls’ recent slide, in which they’ve barely been competitive in six of their last seven games, losing by an average of 12.1 points per game. And it’s not like there was one 40-point piecing. It’s been consistently ugly. Morrissey’s answer to the issue is that Joakim Noah, Larry Hughes, and Tyrus Thomas have a serious problem with authority. But mainly, it’s Noah’s fault.

    This is a fragile time for Del Negro, who came into the job with no coaching experience. If he’s going to be challenged by a player, at least have it be by someone who can play.

    If Paxson jettisons Noah, it will send a message to the rest of the team that good behavior is expected from everyone, even the ninth overall pick in the 2007 draft, even a player in whom the Bulls have invested lots of time and money. Especially him.

    The scouting report on Noah is that he provides “energy.” Some of us view it as bogus energy, sort of like the guy who pretends he’s talking on the phone at work in order to look busy.

Though I don’t get to watch the Bulls on a regular basis, I’ve found myself glued to Derrick Rose and thus have missed out totally on what Noah’s done. Perhaps it’s because he hasn’t done anything. But it could also be that no one is watching. On last year’s Bulls’ team, everyone was searching to find something positive to hold onto. Joakim’s 6.6 points, 5.7 boards, and 0.8 blocks per game were refracted into a positive light. Now, his 4.6 points, 5.9 boards, and 1.3 blocks per game aren’t viewed the same way.

Is Morrissey being unfairly critical of Joakim?

So it appears that the bulls fans and coaches are beginning to get fed up with Joakim Noah. To me I think they expect way to much from the kid because of his college career. He is never going to be a low post offensive threat that the bulls have been looking for forever, but I think he can still be a solid big man in the NBA .

This year he is averaging 4.5ppg, 6rpg and 1.2blks in just 18 mins. He appears to be on the trading block and I think the C's should go after him !


So here's the trade :
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2367~3200~3019~3224&teams=4~4~4~2&te=&cash=

Bos gets: Noah
Chi gets: TA, BBD, POB

OR


Bos gets:
Noah
Chi gets: TA and Giddens


I think Chicago might take this deal, or one similar to it. We might have to give up giddens instead of POB, but I think I would do it to make the deal work.

Why chicago does it:

1)According to many reports and blogs I have read it appears Noah could be moved to send a message to the rest of the team.

2)Tony Allen is a Chicago native. The bulls appear to need help at SG with the uncertainty of Gordons  future and Larry Hughs future beyond next year they could use a young low salary wingman who still has time to develop

3)They get either Giddens or BBD and POB. They are  young players that still have time to develop for cheap while the bulls try to build around Rose

Why for Boston:


I think Joakim Noah would be a PERFECT fit for this team. He can defend ,rebound , hustle, and is a legit 7ft tall. We are going to need another big body to go against Big Z, Dwight Howard, Gasol and Bynum when then Playoffs come and I think he is one of the best options out there as a big man. I  don't see him having a bad attitude on this team, because if he does KG, Pierce and Ray will be all over his ass. I think a contending team with strong veteran leaders is the exact atmosphere this kid needs to reach his full potential. While I know it was only college the kid has played in many big games over his career, so I don't think he will fold under playoff pressure. With KG and Perk in his ear he will develop the toughness and intensity he needs to bring every night.

Remember it usually takes a big man 5 years to reach his potential, as Perk is showing this year. I think this kid would devlop wonderfully on the C's

What do you guys think? I think it is worth a shot!

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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2009, 06:07:14 AM »

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Don't really think we have anything they'd want. I like Noah, but I'm not sure if he's right for us. I'd rather hold out for a proven vet.

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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2009, 07:13:09 AM »

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last night in my game.... i traded tony allen and somebody else for Noah and a 2nd round draft pick. and made bill walker my main wing off the bench. :o

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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2009, 07:46:36 AM »

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If we want to make a trade for a promising young player like Noah, we will have to take a bad contract and it will probably cost Ray Allen.

Does Allen & Powe for Noah, Nocioni, and Hinrich work for you?

Solves our depth issues at the 3-4-5 very quickly, but leaves us with a major downgrade at the 2. If Noah could be had for free (TA&Rookie, etc), I am all in, but not if it costs Ray.
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2009, 08:27:26 AM »

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If we want to make a trade for a promising young player like Noah, we will have to take a bad contract and it will probably cost Ray Allen.

Does Allen & Powe for Noah, Nocioni, and Hinrich work for you?

Solves our depth issues at the 3-4-5 very quickly, but leaves us with a major downgrade at the 2. If Noah could be had for free (TA&Rookie, etc), I am all in, but not if it costs Ray.

I like the trade, but not sure I'm ready to give up on Ray yet.

Too bad they wouldn't take TA and POB for Noah.
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2009, 09:19:14 AM »

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Leon Powe and Tony Allen for Joakim Noah seems like a reasonable deal for both teams. Chicago will finally get their low post player they have been wanting in Leon. Tony Allen could work out nicely off the bench as a defensive guy.

For the Celtics, we need a guy like Noah. This trade will give us three legitimate bigs. Noah is a defensive minded player who would fit in nicely. 

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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2009, 09:22:18 AM »

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why would we want a young guy who is not very good, yet has a problem with authority?

no thanks

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2009, 09:29:23 AM »

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why would we want a young guy who is not very good, yet has a problem with authority?

no thanks

6pts and 6rebs in 18 minutes sounds pretty good to me.

Plus he's a mobile 7 footer who hustles and plays defense.

... Oh, and Kevin Garnett is his favorite player.

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2009, 09:51:31 AM »

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If we want to make a trade for a promising young player like Noah, we will have to take a bad contract and it will probably cost Ray Allen.

Does Allen & Powe for Noah, Nocioni, and Hinrich work for you?

Solves our depth issues at the 3-4-5 very quickly, but leaves us with a major downgrade at the 2. If Noah could be had for free (TA&Rookie, etc), I am all in, but not if it costs Ray.

I like the trade, but not sure I'm ready to give up on Ray yet.

Too bad they wouldn't take TA and POB for Noah.

gentlemen, let's get real here. danny is not trading ray allen to get noah, or anyone else, this year.
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2009, 09:51:38 AM »

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why would we want a young guy who is not very good, yet has a problem with authority?

no thanks

6pts and 6rebs in 18 minutes sounds pretty good to me.

Plus he's a mobile 7 footer who hustles and plays defense.

... Oh, and Kevin Garnett is his favorite player.

It is a lot easier to cause trouble when you are one of the better players on a bad team without any leaders, and you think you are underutilized. Put him on a team where he is clearly the third big man and he will perform beutifully.

If we dropped our pupu platter of contract relief (Scal, House, Allen, Giddens, Powe, Pick) on the Bulls, do you think they would send Nocioni (5 years left) with Noah?

Marbury-Nocioni-Noah would be one of the best benches in the league.
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2009, 09:52:58 AM »

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I have been a fan of Noah for a few years now...good, hustle player and  leader for the second unit....but not at the expense of Ray Allen, please.....
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2009, 10:02:23 AM »

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why would we want a young guy who is not very good, yet has a problem with authority?

no thanks

6pts and 6rebs in 18 minutes sounds pretty good to me.

Plus he's a mobile 7 footer who hustles and plays defense.

... Oh, and Kevin Garnett is his favorite player.

It is a lot easier to cause trouble when you are one of the better players on a bad team without any leaders, and you think you are underutilized. Put him on a team where he is clearly the third big man and he will perform beutifully.

If we dropped our pupu platter of contract relief (Scal, House, Allen, Giddens, Powe, Pick) on the Bulls, do you think they would send Nocioni (5 years left) with Noah?

Marbury-Nocioni-Noah would be one of the best benches in the league.

How much is Nocioni getting paid on a per year basis? I like that we don't have any truly ugly contracts on the team, and the flexibility it'll bring in the future.

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2009, 10:02:30 AM »

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Leon Powe and Tony Allen for Joakim Noah seems like a reasonable deal for both teams. Chicago will finally get their low post player they have been wanting in Leon. Tony Allen could work out nicely off the bench as a defensive guy.

For the Celtics, we need a guy like Noah. This trade will give us three legitimate bigs. Noah is a defensive minded player who would fit in nicely. 

Marbury
House/Pruitt
Scal/Walker/Giddens
Davis
Noah

I like this idea a lot better than giving up Ray Allen.
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2009, 10:10:05 AM »

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these threads crack me up...

"hey, i traded this guy in my video game so danny should be able to do it too..."

sorry, reality doesn't quite work that way...the celtics have NO assets to offer anyone outside of rondo and powe and neither of those 2 are going anywhere. 
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2009, 10:15:32 AM »

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these threads crack me up...

"hey, i traded this guy in my video game so danny should be able to do it too..."

sorry, reality doesn't quite work that way...the celtics have NO assets to offer anyone outside of rondo and powe and neither of those 2 are going anywhere. 

I am pretty sure TA, powe and maybe a 2nd round pick could get it done . I think I would do it too. If you think about it we could lose Powe next year without getting anything in return.  Chances are Powe gets offered a 5-7 mil a year deal by a team looking for a PF with potential, so why not trade him now for a guy who is signed for an extra year?