Celtics (29-5) at Knicks (12-19) 1/4

[TatteredOnMySleeve]

The bench isnt the whole problem, but TA and Eddie are just being exposed
I really just dont like TA,  other than the fact he wears green, theres no reason to root for him, his game is just a sloppy mess and unexplainibly disastrous...he might as well have had a Knicks jersey on tonight, because when he was on the floor it was like playing 6 on 4. I like eddie, but he's been useless lately, and thats putting it nicely...
rondo needs to bring his game on the road...hes struggilng and isnt an all-star
Perkins hasnt been the same since his shoulder thing in LA, he must be playing cautious..KG continues his decline imo and it sticks out more when rondo and perk arent on
Pierce must be scratching his head after this one, because he brought it, wanted to win and played like it

[celticinorlando]

tony allen was awful tonight. i would rather have a guy like marbury run the point and allow house play the 2....marbury is a huge upgrade over tony allen. tony allen is not a viable bench player. do something with POB...if it takes trading tony allen and BBD to get a legit big man then do it

[EJPLAYA]

Bottom line is I recall Rondo trying to take his man to the basket only ONE time tonight. When Rondo isn't aggressive and looking to get in the paint we play poorly. Most nights we are good enough to overcome that. Tonight with our 6-25 three point shooting we couldn't. Rondo has been playing "cocky" basketball and I think that it is affecting his play. I don't get the sense of urgency for him to get to the rim and create for others. His shot is awful and getting worse. When he plays the way he played during that stretch run we are very tough to beat. He needs to get back to that.

I am also quite tired of PP's man being the other squad's leading scorer. I created a thread earlier in the year questioning why PP didn't seem to be playing the kind of D that he was last year and didn't seem to be too concerned by it. I think the question is just as pertinent right now. I don't see the defensive intensity out of the starters. I think that we are not making any attempts to get Perk the ball on the low block. We have become a team of jump shooters. When Ray's shot isn't falling like tonight's 0-9  3 pt debacle, we really need to pound it in.

Very frustrating. The sky isn't falling yet, but we definitely need to change the momentum.

[Rondo_is_better]

Bottom line is I recall Rondo trying to take his man to the basket only ONE time tonight. When Rondo isn't aggressive and looking to get in the paint we play poorly. Most nights we are good enough to overcome that. Tonight with our 6-25 three point shooting we couldn't. Rondo has been playing "cocky" basketball and I think that it is affecting his play. I don't get the sense of urgency for him to get to the rim and create for others. His shot is awful and getting worse. When he plays the way he played during that stretch run we are very tough to beat. He needs to get back to that.

I am also quite tired of PP's man being the other squad's leading scorer. I created a thread earlier in the year questioning why PP didn't seem to be playing the kind of D that he was last year and didn't seem to be too concerned by it. I think the question is just as pertinent right now. I don't see the defensive intensity out of the starters. I think that we are not making any attempts to get Perk the ball on the low block. We have become a team of jump shooters. When Ray's shot isn't falling like tonight's 0-9  3 pt debacle, we really need to pound it in.

Very frustrating. The sky isn't falling yet, but we definitely need to change the momentum.

This is so accurate I almost threw up.

[celticinorlando]

since LA...rondo has lost his confidence...much like the road playoff games last year. if he struggles this team does big time. also concerned about KG and his ankle...tough 3 game week coming up...

[TatteredOnMySleeve]

except for most of Harringtons points Pierce wasnt even guarding him

[EJPLAYA]

except for most of Harringtons points Pierce wasnt even guarding him

That's okay. Between Al's 30 and Chandlers 31 the SF position sure made us look bad. PP can take some credit for both of them. I hope he is still hobbled, because he is getting lit up way too often. What happened to our stud Great defender in TA tonight as well?! I am sure glad he can come off the bench and shut down their wing man... Another awful game for TA. Where was Gabe?!

[xmuscularghandix]

where has KG's game gone? i don't understand playing eddie and tony together for so long in the third/fourth...stupid

KG is injured. TA shouldn't get on the floor ever again.

If KG is injured then he shouldnt be on the floor either, he was terrible tonight, stop trying to make excuses for him, he was worse than powe and BBD tonight

Maybe he shouldn't be on the floor, but he clearly was injured so using that as an explanation for his poor play isn't a stupid thing. When your hurt you don't play as well, so that's why his game was off.

He was still better than BBD.

he was better than BBD tonight? did you watch the game?

KG- 29min, 6pts, 7reb, 4ast, 5blks, 3tos, 3pfs
BB- 11min, 6pts, 2reb, 1ast, 0blks, 0tos, 0pfs

KG may have done better on the noticeable stats (reb blks ast) except for the first time i can remember BBD had NO turnovers and NO personal fouls. also Glen played about 1/3 the minutes KG did.

Leon- 12min, 5pts, 6rbs, 0ast, 0blk, 1stl, 2tos, 0pfs

Yeah I actually did watch the game believe it or not. Congrats to BBD for not being a moron and not commiting 5 or 6 idiotic fouls.

The absence of turnovers is nice, but that just keeps you from being a negative. It doesn't make you good. It makes you NOT a liability.

KG on the other hand, he basically held this team together until he got injured. Guys were getting beat left and right, and he was shutting down their drives. His defense was superb, even if his O was lacking. He was tripled teamed all night and then injured. Considering Glen Davis was not tripled, and often not even guarded, I'd say KG outplayed him.

6 pts and 2 rebs is nothing to write home about, anyway.

i'm not talking about offensively, and i'm not saying that BBD is better than KG. but tonight he did his job, and he did it good. if BBD isn't a MORON for not not committing stupid fouls, then KG is a moron for committing them. Glen Davis may not have scored on triple teams, but even if BBD didn't score at all i'd say he had a good game. a bench players job is to go out and contest every shot, not commit turnovers, and not commit stupid fouls, thats exactly what BBD did.

TA scores points but still isn't a good player becuase of TO's and dumb fouls, so wouldn't that make BBD's perfomance tonight good? i'd say so.

[greg683x]

Bottom line is I recall Rondo trying to take his man to the basket only ONE time tonight. When Rondo isn't aggressive and looking to get in the paint we play poorly. Most nights we are good enough to overcome that. Tonight with our 6-25 three point shooting we couldn't. Rondo has been playing "cocky" basketball and I think that it is affecting his play. I don't get the sense of urgency for him to get to the rim and create for others. His shot is awful and getting worse. When he plays the way he played during that stretch run we are very tough to beat. He needs to get back to that.

I am also quite tired of PP's man being the other squad's leading scorer. I created a thread earlier in the year questioning why PP didn't seem to be playing the kind of D that he was last year and didn't seem to be too concerned by it. I think the question is just as pertinent right now. I don't see the defensive intensity out of the starters. I think that we are not making any attempts to get Perk the ball on the low block. We have become a team of jump shooters. When Ray's shot isn't falling like tonight's 0-9  3 pt debacle, we really need to pound it in.

Very frustrating. The sky isn't falling yet, but we definitely need to change the momentum.

This is so accurate I almost threw up.

Rondo played right into the hands of the Knicks defensive game plan tonight.  They took Rondos man, and let him roam defensively, and Rondo did nothing to punish them for it.  When teams leave Rondo he needs to get the ball in his hands and make them pay, not by jump shooting, but by driving and creating around the basket.

The other road to stopping this defense is taking Rondo out and putting House in so the Knick defender cant roam, only problem is, not just House but everyone except for Pierce couldnt hit the broadside of a barn past 18 ft tonight.

[celticinorlando]

i am afraid that this team thinks they can turn it on and off when needed....like friday against the cavs i expect they think they can turn it on...but I am not sure they can do this

[xmuscularghandix]

Bottom line is I recall Rondo trying to take his man to the basket only ONE time tonight. When Rondo isn't aggressive and looking to get in the paint we play poorly. Most nights we are good enough to overcome that. Tonight with our 6-25 three point shooting we couldn't. Rondo has been playing "cocky" basketball and I think that it is affecting his play. I don't get the sense of urgency for him to get to the rim and create for others. His shot is awful and getting worse. When he plays the way he played during that stretch run we are very tough to beat. He needs to get back to that.

I am also quite tired of PP's man being the other squad's leading scorer. I created a thread earlier in the year questioning why PP didn't seem to be playing the kind of D that he was last year and didn't seem to be too concerned by it. I think the question is just as pertinent right now. I don't see the defensive intensity out of the starters. I think that we are not making any attempts to get Perk the ball on the low block. We have become a team of jump shooters. When Ray's shot isn't falling like tonight's 0-9  3 pt debacle, we really need to pound it in.

Very frustrating. The sky isn't falling yet, but we definitely need to change the momentum.

This is so accurate I almost threw up.

Rondo played right into the hands of the Knicks defensive game plan tonight.  They took Rondos man, and let him roam defensively, and Rondo did nothing to punish them for it.  When teams leave Rondo he needs to get the ball in his hands and make them pay, not by jump shooting, but by driving and creating around the basket.

The other road to stopping this defense is taking Rondo out and putting House in so the Knick defender cant roam, only problem is, not just House but everyone except for Pierce couldnt hit the broadside of a barn past 18 ft tonight.

TP, 3-point shooting was lacking tonight. and we're not a team that lives by the 3, so why should we die by it?

[celticinorlando]

boston came out flat in the third...which is surprising....outscored by 13....is doc sacrificing some wins in order to get more rest for the big three?

[greg683x]

Bottom line is I recall Rondo trying to take his man to the basket only ONE time tonight. When Rondo isn't aggressive and looking to get in the paint we play poorly. Most nights we are good enough to overcome that. Tonight with our 6-25 three point shooting we couldn't. Rondo has been playing "cocky" basketball and I think that it is affecting his play. I don't get the sense of urgency for him to get to the rim and create for others. His shot is awful and getting worse. When he plays the way he played during that stretch run we are very tough to beat. He needs to get back to that.

I am also quite tired of PP's man being the other squad's leading scorer. I created a thread earlier in the year questioning why PP didn't seem to be playing the kind of D that he was last year and didn't seem to be too concerned by it. I think the question is just as pertinent right now. I don't see the defensive intensity out of the starters. I think that we are not making any attempts to get Perk the ball on the low block. We have become a team of jump shooters. When Ray's shot isn't falling like tonight's 0-9  3 pt debacle, we really need to pound it in.

Very frustrating. The sky isn't falling yet, but we definitely need to change the momentum.

This is so accurate I almost threw up.

Rondo played right into the hands of the Knicks defensive game plan tonight.  They took Rondos man, and let him roam defensively, and Rondo did nothing to punish them for it.  When teams leave Rondo he needs to get the ball in his hands and make them pay, not by jump shooting, but by driving and creating around the basket.

The other road to stopping this defense is taking Rondo out and putting House in so the Knick defender cant roam, only problem is, not just House but everyone except for Pierce couldnt hit the broadside of a barn past 18 ft tonight.

TP, 3-point shooting was lacking tonight. and we're not a team that lives by the 3, so why should we die by it?

exactly and right back atcha.  Truth is, is Ray has a normal night tonight, we probably pull this one out and this thread is dead about 3 pages ago, but the problem is, like you said we've never been a team that dies by the 3, but wow, nothing going on inside, no ones hitting an outside shot, Pierce is the only one doing anything on the offensive end.  Spotty defense......shades of two years ago.

[greg683x]

looks like I gave you a TP less than an hour ago, haha.  Guess i gotta wait.

[xmuscularghandix]

looks like I gave you a TP less than an hour ago, haha.  Guess i gotta wait.

haha.