ESPN: Marbury, Celtics interested in deal

[Scalablob990]

I really don't think he's going to be bought out PERIOD, and this might be a waste of time. It's hard to say but if I was DA I wouldn't be able to resist giving Marbury a shot. If this can work like someone said before our bench would explode on offense, and if it doesn't he gets alienated and thrown out of the Celtics circle like he did in NY. The man has stated that he doesn't want to be known as a cancer, Darius was similar, and even though Darius had a short stay on the team, the guy was never a bum or the cancer he was hyped up to be.

[LarBrd33]

Marbury has game.  I don't think you can deny it has the POTENTIAL to work out.  I mean... it could be a disaster, but it also could be fantastic, right?

So using that same logic...  Marbury starting for the Lakers has the POTENTIAL to work out too...  Does that worry anyone?

[greg683x]

What do we expect? Marbury is typical of what is available out there at our price. We either roll the dice with the guy and hope he accepts his role or dont. I dont see a lot of difference here from the initial Posey signing. The guy has a bad rep from his former team/coach and we dont know how he will fit in. His teammates dont say a lot one way or the other except that he needs to focus on the game rather than his own needs. A lot of us (myself included) will tend to say I told you so, if this doesnt work.

This is nothing like the initial Posey signing.  I guess youre referring to Posey getting benched by Riley because he wasnt meeting Pat Rileys body fat requirements (which are nuts by the way).  Well the same Pat Riley became very frustrated with the Heat ownership who wouldnt pay Posey to stay in Miami.  Pat Riley wanted James Posey back on his team, and I dont think James Posey had any kind of bad reputation coming out of Miami, and if he did, I dont think Riley would be at fault for it. 

The Knicks do not want Marbury on their team.  In fact, while Miami didnt want to pay Posey the money he deserved to stay in Miami, the Knicks are willing to give Marbury 17 Million just to get out of town ASAP.  Marbury has gone out of his way to become a distraction in New York and completely ruined any kind of team atmosphere with his selfishneess.

There is nothing similar between the two signings.

[crownsy]

What do we expect? Marbury is typical of what is available out there at our price. We either roll the dice with the guy and hope he accepts his role or dont. I dont see a lot of difference here from the initial Posey signing. The guy has a bad rep from his former team/coach and we dont know how he will fit in. His teammates dont say a lot one way or the other except that he needs to focus on the game rather than his own needs. A lot of us (myself included) will tend to say I told you so, if this doesnt work.

This is nothing like the initial Posey signing.  I guess youre referring to Posey getting benched by Riley because he wasnt meeting Pat Rileys body fat requirements (which are nuts by the way).  Well the same Pat Riley became very frustrated with the Heat ownership who wouldnt pay Posey to stay in Miami.  Pat Riley wanted James Posey back on his team, and I dont think James Posey had any kind of bad reputation coming out of Miami, and if he did, I dont think Riley would be at fault for it. 

The Knicks do not want Marbury on their team.  In fact, while Miami didnt want to pay Posey the money he deserved to stay in Miami, the Knicks are willing to give Marbury 17 Million just to get out of town ASAP.  Marbury has gone out of his way to become a distraction in New York and completely ruined any kind of team atmosphere with his selfishneess.

There is nothing similar between the two signings.

well, i dont think there's much between the two signing either, but your piture here is slanted.

James did in fact have a bad reputation coming out of miami (thats why we got to sign him for short money enar the end of FA, every team was trying to low ball him)

He was being portrayed as an ok bench guy who got happy with one ring and didn't hustle. That seems foolish now of course, but at the time, yes, he did in fact have a bad rep and major questions surronding him.

The diffrence were his were drive and conditioning releated, and stephs are locker room killing crazy related.

[RebusRankin]

Is Marbury better than House or Gabe?

I say yes.

[KJ33]

Why does everyone think this is a great idea? If his performance over the past few seasons is any indicator how his game would complement the Celtics, why even bother?

Theoretically, we could move House to the 2 where he's better suited (not necessarily defensively though, as he's certain to continue getting burned even as a 2) while Marbury handles the ball... but that whole theory lies under the assumption that Marbury would defer to the team game.

Forgive me for having doubts specifically about Marbury's willingness to "buy" in. Another thing - his game has always been more suited to play the Rucker Park type ball. If you are ready for lots of crossover dribbles and forced up shots that appear drawn out of an and-1 tourney than an NBA playbook, be my guest, have your Marbury. I think if Marbury becomes a key part of the rotation, it'll be a disaster warning. We won't perform any better than we did during this road trip. He'll stagnate the second unit even more than it's already been doing on its own.

If you are concerned about him playing the team game, don't you think Danny and Doc share your concerns x10 since they are actually running the team whereas you are just on the sideline cheerleading?  Don't you think they would consider this before bringing him in?  If they have a shred of doubt, they won't do it.  Every single concern raised here by fans are of far greater importance to the team brass, and you are really selling them short if you don't think they would go through that with him up and down and need to be convinced or they don't sign him.  You are making it sound like Danny is a fantasy GM who will just pick him up because of his stats, and don't even care about chemistry issues in his decision making. 

If every single fan here thinks he will ruin the locker room, but those actually in the locker room don't feel that way, I think I will trust the actual C's employees.

[KJ33]

While I agree that Marbury will have to change his ways for this to work, i don't think that he is

a me first stat hanger.

A couple of years ago he was dishing out 6 assists and shooting 45%.  He has so much game that he can be two different players.  He can be a ball hog, or he can dish the rock. 

If this goes through, then he will make House look awesome.  Eddie will be at his natural 2.

Marbury
Eddie
TA
Powe
Big Baby

Geez we need a big.  We need a big in a big way.

And how did his TEAM do when he was putting up those stats?


He (like AI and Francis) gets assists because the ball is in his hand so often. 

He wasn't playing on a team this good though, with 3 hall of famers.  I don't think there is a chance in hell Marbury could mess things up.  If he tries, he's gone, plain and simple.

True he has never been on a team this good. 


But he has never brought a team up except by leaving.  Nets, Suns, Knicks; all improved once he was removed. 


He has a ton of talent.  Could have been the best PG of his era.  But how he plays the game doesn't lead to wins in the NBA.

He has always been looked to as the main guy on those teams though, playing 40+ minutes a game.  If the C's were bringing him in to be that, I would agree with you.  But they aren't.  They are looking for about 20 minutes a game, playing against other teams' backups, he is not going to be our lead guard playing most of the game. 

Since 20 mpg is 20 more mpg than what he is currently getting, I am sure he will be OK with that role.  Again, that would all be on the table beforehand.  After what Steph has gone through this year, the timing may be just right for him to gleefully accept less, but more important minutes on a championship club. He is almost 32, young enough to still be effective, unlike the 39 yr old Cassell(ridiculous comparison) but old enough not to need to be THE GUY any more.  No brainer move if the C's can make it work.

[KJ33]

I understand the thinking, because the bench definitely needs both a scorer and a distributor, and talent-wise, he's an upgrade over what we have.  I'd be very, very cautious before bringing in a proven cancer like Starbury, though.

If you would be cautious looking in from the outside, be assured those making millions and with everything to gain or lose, will be that way too.

[KJ33]

The time to upgrade the bench, though, was in the off-season, not by picking up the dregs of the NBA off the waiver wire.

Affirmative.

Yea, the acquisitions of PJ Brown and Sam Cassell were so harmful to the team last year.

First, Danny *did* upgrade the team last off-season, and then supplemented the bench through in-season acquisitions.

This off-season, the team downgraded its bench (by replacing Posey and P.J. with POB), and took no other steps to improve until the season started.

I don't see how that's comparable, at all.

Come on, we got Posey on the cheap last year, on a make good deal, that was not available this past summer.  Who did Danny pass up that he could have gotten as cheap within the C's budget??

[Roy Hobbs]

The time to upgrade the bench, though, was in the off-season, not by picking up the dregs of the NBA off the waiver wire.

Affirmative.

Yea, the acquisitions of PJ Brown and Sam Cassell were so harmful to the team last year.

First, Danny *did* upgrade the team last off-season, and then supplemented the bench through in-season acquisitions.

This off-season, the team downgraded its bench (by replacing Posey and P.J. with POB), and took no other steps to improve until the season started.

I don't see how that's comparable, at all.

Come on, we got Posey on the cheap last year, on a make good deal, that was not available this past summer.  Who did Danny pass up that he could have gotten as cheap within the C's budget??

Roger Mason, Matt Barnes, Chris Anderson...  there were a ton of guys available for less than the MLE that could have helped this team.  The suggestion that somehow there were no affordable free agents is just patently false.

[KJ33]

The time to upgrade the bench, though, was in the off-season, not by picking up the dregs of the NBA off the waiver wire.

Affirmative.

Yea, the acquisitions of PJ Brown and Sam Cassell were so harmful to the team last year.

First, Danny *did* upgrade the team last off-season, and then supplemented the bench through in-season acquisitions.

This off-season, the team downgraded its bench (by replacing Posey and P.J. with POB), and took no other steps to improve until the season started.

I don't see how that's comparable, at all.

Come on, we got Posey on the cheap last year, on a make good deal, that was not available this past summer.  Who did Danny pass up that he could have gotten as cheap within the C's budget??

Roger Mason, Matt Barnes, Chris Anderson...  there were a ton of guys available for less than the MLE that could have helped this team.  The suggestion that somehow there were no affordable free agents is just patently false.

Then, as I suspect you already know, you are smarter than Ainge who, for whatever reason, did not make a move on those guys.  You should have forwarded those moves to Wyc for consideration.

[celts55]

It seems to me that while it is a lovely notion that everyone on this team loves each other, the fact remains that talent wins titles and the Celtics beach is lacking talent. I don't think it is essental that there is a team love fest. I think it is essental that when they are on the floor they play together as a team, but they do not have to be best friends off the court.
In Marbury's case, the fact that he has a career average of around 8 assists tells me that he can share the ball. 20 point per game tells me he can score. To be honest, i haven't watched enough of him to have an opinion on his defense.
My point is that team can win that don't get along that well off the court. It's a pretty well known fact that Bird and McHale didn't hang out together once the game was over.
Now I don't know if Marbury would fit here or not, but with the state of the bench as it is, I'd give him a shot. And who knows, maybe he'd even get along with everyone.

[BballTim]

The time to upgrade the bench, though, was in the off-season, not by picking up the dregs of the NBA off the waiver wire.

Affirmative.

Yea, the acquisitions of PJ Brown and Sam Cassell were so harmful to the team last year.

First, Danny *did* upgrade the team last off-season, and then supplemented the bench through in-season acquisitions.

This off-season, the team downgraded its bench (by replacing Posey and P.J. with POB), and took no other steps to improve until the season started.

I don't see how that's comparable, at all.

Come on, we got Posey on the cheap last year, on a make good deal, that was not available this past summer.  Who did Danny pass up that he could have gotten as cheap within the C's budget??

Roger Mason, Matt Barnes, Chris Anderson...  there were a ton of guys available for less than the MLE that could have helped this team.  The suggestion that somehow there were no affordable free agents is just patently false.

  I spent an entire offseason hearing that we had to get Posey because all of the FAs sucked. Now I keep hearing that Danny passed up on all these useful players.

[Roy Hobbs]

The time to upgrade the bench, though, was in the off-season, not by picking up the dregs of the NBA off the waiver wire.

Affirmative.

Yea, the acquisitions of PJ Brown and Sam Cassell were so harmful to the team last year.

First, Danny *did* upgrade the team last off-season, and then supplemented the bench through in-season acquisitions.

This off-season, the team downgraded its bench (by replacing Posey and P.J. with POB), and took no other steps to improve until the season started.

I don't see how that's comparable, at all.

Come on, we got Posey on the cheap last year, on a make good deal, that was not available this past summer.  Who did Danny pass up that he could have gotten as cheap within the C's budget??

Roger Mason, Matt Barnes, Chris Anderson...  there were a ton of guys available for less than the MLE that could have helped this team.  The suggestion that somehow there were no affordable free agents is just patently false.

Then, as I suspect you already know, you are smarter than Ainge who, for whatever reason, did not make a move on those guys.  You should have forwarded those moves to Wyc for consideration.

Marcus Banks, Gerald Green, Brian Scalabrine, Raef LaFrentz...

Sorry, I forgot that Danny never made mistakes.

[Roy Hobbs]

The time to upgrade the bench, though, was in the off-season, not by picking up the dregs of the NBA off the waiver wire.

Affirmative.

Yea, the acquisitions of PJ Brown and Sam Cassell were so harmful to the team last year.

First, Danny *did* upgrade the team last off-season, and then supplemented the bench through in-season acquisitions.

This off-season, the team downgraded its bench (by replacing Posey and P.J. with POB), and took no other steps to improve until the season started.

I don't see how that's comparable, at all.

Come on, we got Posey on the cheap last year, on a make good deal, that was not available this past summer.  Who did Danny pass up that he could have gotten as cheap within the C's budget??

Roger Mason, Matt Barnes, Chris Anderson...  there were a ton of guys available for less than the MLE that could have helped this team.  The suggestion that somehow there were no affordable free agents is just patently false.

  I spent an entire offseason hearing that we had to get Posey because all of the FAs sucked. Now I keep hearing that Danny passed up on all these useful players.

That's disingenuous and I suspect you know it. 

Many posters on here were okay with losing Posey, if and only if the team used the money that was freed up to upgrade the team in other areas.  Instead, the team replaced Posey and P.J. with Paddy O'Blount.