Is Kurt Warner a Hall of Famer?

[wdleehi]

I find K.Warner Hall of Fame worthy eventually mainly because his career has been sort of like Pierce a great player on medicroe to poor teams a lot of his career.He is a great quarterback when he is got  good receiver and protection to allow him to perform at the top of his game.Just like in Pierce's case he has always been a quality player always surrounded by less talent until recently.

Your analogy is flawed in that Pierce has been a great player for most of his career by pretty much every measure. He's also been healthy most of his career. Only in 06-07 did he miss major time in a season.

Warner has been hurt a lot, he also has been on the bench or had awful turnover statistics for much of the time during his career.

Pierce hasn't been recognized but he's produced throughout his career. I don't think they're at all similar.

His inability to adjust to his hand caused him to miss many years.

[Fafnir]

I find K.Warner Hall of Fame worthy eventually mainly because his career has been sort of like Pierce a great player on medicroe to poor teams a lot of his career.He is a great quarterback when he is got  good receiver and protection to allow him to perform at the top of his game.Just like in Pierce's case he has always been a quality player always surrounded by less talent until recently.

Your analogy is flawed in that Pierce has been a great player for most of his career by pretty much every measure. He's also been healthy most of his career. Only in 06-07 did he miss major time in a season.

Warner has been hurt a lot, he also has been on the bench or had awful turnover statistics for much of the time during his career.

Pierce hasn't been recognized but he's produced throughout his career. I don't think they're at all similar.

I said Pierce was a great player

But Warner hasn't been so the analogy falls apart. Ever since his hand injury he's turned the ball over at a rate that is far too high. Taking care of the ball is the most important thing for a QB. Add in the missed time due to injury and I think he's a definite no.

I do love that he appears to be healthy now and is playing well. He seems to be a nice guy from what I've read over his career.

Edit: Pierce missed part of one season, and that is somewhat dubious due to the tanking that was obviously happening at that point. Warner has missed 50+ games (since becoming a regular starter) due to either benching or injury. That is a lot of games to not play. Especially at QB where continuity is a major plus for the position.

[xChopsx]

Even though his career stats are not like Favre, Marino, Manning (eventually), I thin khe should be entered into the HOF. Theres other players who got into it with even less stats in different categories. If he wins a SuperBowl, or at least gets this franchise to somewhere deep in the playoffs, he deserves it.

[Fan from VT]

This is a very interesting topic. TP, Roy.

I see the closest analogy to Warner being Steve Young, Steve Nash, and jason giami (assuming steroids are not an issue). Relatively short primes, average career totals (a big part of HoF voting), marked by high peaks and mvp awards. I know Nash will get in simply because of his MVP awards, which is too bad, because considering the numbers other hall of fame point guards (and chris paul) put up in there best seasons, Nash really didn't deserve those awards. I'd rather see him judged on actual accomplishments, not the subjective media storm surrounding his MVP seasons. If Warner wins MVP this year and brings the Cards into the playoffs a round or two, he's got to be in. If not, then a lot more depends on his continued play and building up his career totals.


I need help with this, but let's try to put Warner's position into context of his era (obviously "era" is a gray area and has much overlap). How does he rank in this era? I'd say we had the previous era featuring HoFers Young, Aikmen, Marino, and Elway. Then we move to this era, with Payton Manning, Favre, and Tom Brady being sure fire HoFers. Who is next? McNair has some very good passing/running numbers. He had a very high peak. McNabb, when done, will have good combined numbers as well. However, neither has had the peak of Warner in terms of playoff success and season MVPs. The next era i think will be kind of among Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Palmer, Cutler (if ever back on track), aaron rodgers, matt ryan maybe, eli manning, etc. How many from each era go? 3-5? If so, with 3 spots locked up, you need at most 2 of McNair, McNabb, Warner. We'll see.

[Big Ticket]

6 dominant seasons was enough to get Sandy Koufax in the HoF and atop a short list of greatest lefties ever.

Not sure if Warner's good years can match that, and his bad years were probably worse. 

It will be a VERY interesting debate though, that's for sure.

[nickagneta]

If Joe Namath is in how can Warner not be included?

[wdleehi]

If Joe Namath is in how can Warner not be included?

He was the QB to something historical. 



And you can't compare Warner to Young.  Young sat behind a top 2 QB of all time.  When he became starter, had 7 straight Pro-Bowl years and three first team all pro.

Warner has had 6 seasons where he was the part time starter.  He was 13-29 during those 6 seasons.

[nickagneta]

If Joe Namath is in how can Warner not be included?

He was the QB to something historical. 

So what, he was a mediocre QB at best.

[MBz]

It'll be interesting to see whether he gets in or not.  I also agree with you can't compare Warner to Young.  Young is one of the best quarterbacks ever in my opinion, he was robbed of years by sitting behind one of the greatest of all time, but the years Young put up are rather amazing.  With Warner, I'm not sure, I don't know if he has enough starts to put himself into the hall of fame, I guess time will tell.

[Chris]

This is a hell of a question.  If it were MLB, or the NBA, I would say he wasn't great long enough to be a hall of famer.  However, in the NFL its different.  Careers are shorter, and some of the greatest players in history had short careers.

In general, I don't think he passes the "smell" test.  I think to be a hall of famer, you need to be someone who is universally considered one of the best of your generation, and despite the MVP's, I simply would not put Warner in that category.  But I have a feeling there are plenty of people who would disagree.

[Redz]

Ya reckon Warner is no longer in the running for MVP? 

He wasn't getting much support in the slop yesterday, but that was a really weak performance.

[Donoghus]

He sure as heck didn't help his cause yesterday.

That whole team didn't want a part of the elements or the Pats

[Donoghus]

Thought I'd bump this after the events of the past months or so.

Warner's Super Bowl record is now 1-2 but he has put up some pretty remarkable numbers in the sport's biggest stage.

SB 34- 24-45 414 yds 2 TD 0 INT

SB 36- 28-44 365 yds 1 TD 2 INT

SB 43- 31-43 377 yds 3 TD 1 INT

[Redz]

Thought I'd bump this after the events of the past months or so.

Warner's Super Bowl record is now 1-2 but he has put up some pretty remarkable numbers in the sport's biggest stage.

SB 34- 24-45 414 yds 2 TD 0 INT

SB 36- 28-44 365 yds 1 TD 2 INT

SB 43- 31-43 377 yds 3 TD 1 INT

If nothing else he's participated in 3 amazingly entertaining Super Bowls.  I was really surprised to see Arizona get up off the mat after the way the 1st half ended.

I'd say he's in.

[wdleehi]

Thought I'd bump this after the events of the past months or so.

Warner's Super Bowl record is now 1-2 but he has put up some pretty remarkable numbers in the sport's biggest stage.

SB 34- 24-45 414 yds 2 TD 0 INT

SB 36- 28-44 365 yds 1 TD 2 INT

SB 43- 31-43 377 yds 3 TD 1 INT

If nothing else he's participated in 3 amazingly entertaining Super Bowls.  I was really surprised to see Arizona get up off the mat after the way the 1st half ended.

I'd say he's in.

If he won two of them, yeah, he would be in.

But he lost two of them