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Re: C's making the Loudest Noise for McDyess
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2008, 01:06:17 PM »

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Danny Ainge was either the coach or in management in Phoenix when McDyess decided to leave there and join the Nuggets for I believe the second time. So Dyess and Ainge have some history.

Re: C's making the Loudest Noise for McDyess
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2008, 01:19:46 PM »

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Nick, you're breakdown is nice. Its too bad the C's probably wont get McDyess. We can always hope for Mourning in about 3 months.  ;D

Re: C's making the Loudest Noise for McDyess
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2008, 03:39:35 PM »

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This from Billups in yesterday's press conference regarding McDyess and his possibly not wanting to go to Denver:

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"You don't come back to a city twice on your own will if you don't like that city," Billups said. "He loves Denver. He loves the organization and things like that. He's in a position where he has a decision to make. He's in the latter part of his career and he's tired of moving and tired of being in these kinds of situations. So, it's kind of up to him. I'm going to support him in any way he goes."


http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_10918927

Since I am guessing a longtime team mate of McDyess' would know better than anyone else, reading into what Chauncey said, it seems clear that McDyess' problem is uprooting at the moment:

"He's in the latter part of his career and he's tired of moving and tired of being in these kinds of situations."

If that is an accurate statement as is this about chasing titles:

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"That will probably be it for me," McDyess said of likely retiring in 2010. "I don't know if I want to be a chaser (for a title)."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/mar/28/tomasson-title-still-elusive-to-mcdyess/

I don't see Antonio McDyess coming to Boston for a couple of extra bucks when right now home and family is in Detroit. If he forces his way out of Denver, I would think based off the above quotes that McDyess will sit out a month and head back to Detroit. Chasing him will be the equivalent of chasing Brent Barry last season, talk all you want he is returning to his old team.

This is certainly the prevailing factor that may prevent Boston from getting him, but McDyess also has other priorities in his life.

Boston can offer him the remaining 2.3 mill from this year's MLE and the full MLE for next year if they wanted to. This represents nearly 8 million in total salary, which would likely more than replace his buyout money - in essence, he'd make money coming here beyond what his original 2-year deal was.

Secondly, McDyess would have a role here of significance. He'd be seeing at least 20 minutes a night behind Perk, and often more. This wouldn't be a "ring chaser" gig for him, but a legit opportunity to contribute to a title.

Third, McDyess is still going to take advice from his agent and Ainge is very persuasive when selling his perspective on the situation and opportunity the Celtics provide. Ainge will have a sit down and get a chance to paint the full picture - which gives him a distinct edge over most teams.

Which brings us to Boston's reputation. The field is clearly limited to contenders and McDyess would prefer not to up-root. Boston is probably going to hang-in the longest when it comes to options because of their success and Ainge's past history courting McDyess.

It may not be enough to convince him, but its certainly a powerful argument on all fronts and may be enough to tip the scales. Ainge can make a strong 2 year commitment, this year and next, because it is consistent with his short-term deal making. Ainge maintains flexibility for the FA market of 2010 and gets a productive vet big in the process, thus tipping the scales of power a little more Boston's way.

I think we have a legit shot at landing him, and the more that comes out the more it seems Ainge is going all-in to make it happen....3rd time's a charm? We'll see...

Re: C's making the Loudest Noise for McDyess
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2008, 03:49:08 PM »

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The Celtics cannot offer McDyess this year's MLE remainder and next year's full MLE. That is against the rules of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. There is a rule regarding how much a player's salary can increase from year to year. That would have to be two separate contracts and you can't really have a behind closed doors "wink wink" deal promising him the full MLE next year.

Re: C's making the Loudest Noise for McDyess
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2008, 04:04:57 PM »

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The Celtics cannot offer McDyess this year's MLE remainder and next year's full MLE. That is against the rules of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. There is a rule regarding how much a player's salary can increase from year to year. That would have to be two separate contracts and you can't really have a behind closed doors "wink wink" deal promising him the full MLE next year.

TP for saving me some typing.

Also, regarding the Celtics making the "loudest noise" about McDyess, I'm curious what noise they're talking about.  The Celtics are prohibited from commenting to or about McDyess until he's a free agent, unless the Nuggets grant them permission.

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Re: C's making the Loudest Noise for McDyess
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2008, 04:25:55 PM »

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The Celtics cannot offer McDyess this year's MLE remainder and next year's full MLE. That is against the rules of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. There is a rule regarding how much a player's salary can increase from year to year. That would have to be two separate contracts and you can't really have a behind closed doors "wink wink" deal promising him the full MLE next year.

TP for saving me some typing.

Also, regarding the Celtics making the "loudest noise" about McDyess, I'm curious what noise they're talking about.  The Celtics are prohibited from commenting to or about McDyess until he's a free agent, unless the Nuggets grant them permission.
TP back atcha because I've been thinking the same thing all day but just didn't type it. I'm actually quite surprised the Orlando Sentinel has Otis Smith making comment on Antonio McDyess considering he is signed with Orlando.

Re: C's making the Loudest Noise for McDyess
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2008, 06:57:38 PM »

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IF we get him i wonder how it affects our current lineup and who will go to the inactive list or be waived/traded and in addition who will give up their time on the court

i personally like to get him in the same way we had brown  who helped us out at the pf/c spot last year but i also want powe and davis to play more minutes(they been really good as a duo)




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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2008, 08:56:44 PM »

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IF we get him i wonder how it affects our current lineup and who will go to the inactive list or be waived/traded and in addition who will give up their time on the court

i personally like to get him in the same way we had brown  who helped us out at the pf/c spot last year but i also want powe and davis to play more minutes(they been really good as a duo)





Here's guessing a duo featuring Dice and Powe (with BBD getting spot minutes when reasonable) would be a lot more effective at this point in their careers.  I'm all in for pursuing this guy hard, and I think he'd be a big-time difference-maker off our bench.

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Re: C's making the Loudest Noise for McDyess
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2008, 09:41:15 PM »

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The Celtics cannot offer McDyess this year's MLE remainder and next year's full MLE. That is against the rules of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. There is a rule regarding how much a player's salary can increase from year to year. That would have to be two separate contracts and you can't really have a behind closed doors "wink wink" deal promising him the full MLE next year.

TP for saving me some typing.

Also, regarding the Celtics making the "loudest noise" about McDyess, I'm curious what noise they're talking about.  The Celtics are prohibited from commenting to or about McDyess until he's a free agent, unless the Nuggets grant them permission.

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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2008, 10:36:44 PM »

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I'm kind of mad right now that I happened to log on and read this thread - I really didn't want to get my hopes up about this at all. Why not? Because I know how much of a difference maker McDyess would be, and yet I also have a pretty strong gut feeling that McDyess will wind up back in Detroit. I just don't see a reason why he'd switch teams, at this point. He's been with Detroit for a while now, and they're just as much of a contender as the Celtics. Maybe they're not as good as the Cs on paper, but swtiching from Detroit to Boston because Boston is projected to be slightly better doesn't make sense. Like others have pointed out, Detroit is his home. If he's going to move, he needs a reason. NBA players play for money, and they play to win. I'm not sure that McDyess thinks he'll get an upgrade in either of those categories if he goes to Boston.

That all being said though, it's ABSOLUTELY worth a try for Danny. McDyess would be an excellent addition to an already good bench.


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« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2008, 01:57:26 AM »

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Re: C's making the Loudest Noise for McDyess
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According to Sports Center, McDyess has officially been bought out as of this evening.

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Re: C's making the Loudest Noise for McDyess
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2008, 07:57:35 AM »

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Miller said that 19 teams have inquired about McDyess' status, and it's possible that the veteran forward could return to the Pistons, the team who traded him on Monday, along with Chauncey Billups and Cheikh Samb, in exchange for Allen Iverson.

Hot Property, geesh!

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Miller said that 19 teams have inquired about McDyess' status, and it's possible that the veteran forward could return to the Pistons, the team who traded him on Monday, along with Chauncey Billups and Cheikh Samb, in exchange for Allen Iverson.

Hot Property, geesh!

Where's the love for Cheikh Samb?
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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2008, 08:01:18 AM »

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Via Denver Post:
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Miller said that 19 teams have inquired about McDyess' status, and it's possible that the veteran forward could return to the Pistons, the team who traded him on Monday, along with Chauncey Billups and Cheikh Samb, in exchange for Allen Iverson.

Hot Property, geesh!

Where's the love for Cheikh Samb?

Wasnt Cheikh Samb a Cold Chisel song?