Miles is Waived

[no kidding]

Brandon Wallace isn't an NBA player?  Maybe so, but what makes you so sure?

All I know is, I saw him several times last year in the summer league, and he was at least on a par with, if not superior to Leon Powe, Glen Davis, and Gabe Pruitt.  At that point in time, the latter two weren't NBA players, and Powe was certainly borderline. But now they've all been given time to play, and hey, they're now all NBA players. Who says Wallace can't be the same? And agile, inexpensive 6'9 small forwards aren't easy to find.

[Chris]

Brandon Wallace isn't an NBA player?  Maybe so, but what makes you so sure?

All I know is, I saw him several times last year in the summer league, and he was at least on a par with, if not superior to Leon Powe, Glen Davis, and Gabe Pruitt.  At that point in time, the latter two weren't NBA players, and Powe was certainly borderline. But now they've all been given time to play, and hey, they're now all NBA players. Who says Wallace can't be the same? And agile, inexpensive 6'9 small forwards aren't easy to find.

Other than the fact that no NBA team signed him?

Wallace has potential, but he had a LOT to learn last year.  He looked decent in the summerleague, but that means pretty much nothing.  And he wasn't that good.  He had a couple nice plays, and showed some flashes, but overall, he looked like a Center who was just moved to the wing, and didn't really know what he was doing, or have any perimeter skills other than a halfway decent midrange shot. 

I think Wallace could be an NBA player, but he wasn't last year, and I don't see much reason to think that has changed that quickly.

[no kidding]

Chris, could be you're right.  But I suspect the skills you thought he was lacking were on the offensive side.  What I remember was a very long guy with the agility to play defense on the perimeter, and who had no problem moving inside to snag rebounds. For a guy off the bench, that sounds real attractive to me.

[Edgar]

I hate when basketball things became money things
and i am pretty sure non of  u will convince me that scal is better than miles
or at least that hes better for the future of this team
Of course he is contract wise
but thats pretty much it
mis 2 centavos

[EJPLAYA]

It's a pity,I really wanted Miles to make the roster...

Instead there may be more Scalabrick nights of 2 pts, 1 reb in 18min... 

Stop falsifying the guy's stats. They aren't spectacular, but they aren't that bad. First of all he averaged 10.7 min a night. He scored 1.8 pts, 1.6 boards, .8 assists, and shot 33% from the three point line. Considering he only played in half the games all year and only in spotty stretches it wasn't that bad. The guy showed us the other night in preseason that he is a competent guy on the floor that plays team ball. He's not athletic, not great at any one thing necessarily, but he can shoot the ball from the corner if given the opportunity.

That's a heck of a lot more than Miles was going to give us as well. I wish the guy well, but he physically isn't even close to being there.

Hey man, relax... I've seen many nights of Scal in which he has these stats, i didn't say he averaged that..

And now, how many nights like the NJersey one has he had in the last months? He normally struggles to make baskets and to grab any rebounds. On court, the only valuable thing he is really good at is team defense. Other than that I don't see what he adds to this team.

Edited: just for fun, check his game by game stats from last year:

Some examples of what i mentioned (i am falsifying?)

April 14 vs NY: 2 pts, 2 reb in 19 min
Feb 8 vs Min: 0 pts, 3 reb in 19 min
Jan 31 vs Dal: 0pts, 2 ast in 17 min
Jan 27 vs Orl: 1 pt, 1 reb in 22 min

Most of his nights he scores a basket or two and get a couple rebounds... plus he has missed lots of open look shots last season. You can'r rely on him as a shooter anymore, he lacks confidence.

To his credit though, he seems to play well versus his former team. He played well the other day and had 2 good games against them last season


http://www.nba.com/playerfile/brian_scalabrine/game_by_game_stats.html

Please. You know you were insinuating that these were his averages in that amount of minutes. Using your new logic then how about this...

We need more of his 15-16 pts in 24 minutes per game. The guy should be an all-star.

(1-31-07 vs the lakers 17 pts in 26 min., Jan 5 vs Memhis 16 pts in 23 min)

Come on. The guy has a 29 pt game under his belt. Lots of double digit points games over his career. You just hate Scal and are trying to invent stats to make the guy look worse than he is. At least make a credible assessment of the guy and tell the truth. With fans like you out there it is no wonder the guy can't get his shooting confidence back.

[Edgar]

It's a pity,I really wanted Miles to make the roster...

Instead there may be more Scalabrick nights of 2 pts, 1 reb in 18min... 

Stop falsifying the guy's stats. They aren't spectacular, but they aren't that bad. First of all he averaged 10.7 min a night. He scored 1.8 pts, 1.6 boards, .8 assists, and shot 33% from the three point line. Considering he only played in half the games all year and only in spotty stretches it wasn't that bad. The guy showed us the other night in preseason that he is a competent guy on the floor that plays team ball. He's not athletic, not great at any one thing necessarily, but he can shoot the ball from the corner if given the opportunity.

That's a heck of a lot more than Miles was going to give us as well. I wish the guy well, but he physically isn't even close to being there.

Hey man, relax... I've seen many nights of Scal in which he has these stats, i didn't say he averaged that..

And now, how many nights like the NJersey one has he had in the last months? He normally struggles to make baskets and to grab any rebounds. On court, the only valuable thing he is really good at is team defense. Other than that I don't see what he adds to this team.

Edited: just for fun, check his game by game stats from last year:

Some examples of what i mentioned (i am falsifying?)

April 14 vs NY: 2 pts, 2 reb in 19 min
Feb 8 vs Min: 0 pts, 3 reb in 19 min
Jan 31 vs Dal: 0pts, 2 ast in 17 min
Jan 27 vs Orl: 1 pt, 1 reb in 22 min

Most of his nights he scores a basket or two and get a couple rebounds... plus he has missed lots of open look shots last season. You can'r rely on him as a shooter anymore, he lacks confidence.

To his credit though, he seems to play well versus his former team. He played well the other day and had 2 good games against them last season


http://www.nba.com/playerfile/brian_scalabrine/game_by_game_stats.html

Please. You know you were insinuating that these were his averages in that amount of minutes. Using your new logic then how about this...

We need more of his 15-16 pts in 24 minutes per game. The guy should be an all-star.

(1-31-07 vs the lakers 17 pts in 26 min., Jan 5 vs Memhis 16 pts in 23 min)

Come on. The guy has a 29 pt game under his belt. Lots of double digit points games over his career. You just hate Scal and are trying to invent stats to make the guy look worse than he is. At least make a credible assessment of the guy and tell the truth. With fans like you out there it is no wonder the guy can't get his shooting confidence back.

i will make this easier
hes playing worst than any other celtics I saw this pre season
and he played worst than any other celtic last year too
in every single game

[Chris]

Chris, could be you're right.  But I suspect the skills you thought he was lacking were on the offensive side.  What I remember was a very long guy with the agility to play defense on the perimeter, and who had no problem moving inside to snag rebounds. For a guy off the bench, that sounds real attractive to me.

I saw a guy with potential to defend on the perimeter, but he was still very raw.  He got beat numerous times on plays he never should be beat on.  Even on some of his good plays, he was beat pretty badly, but was able to make up for it because of his length.  He wouldn't be able to do that against real NBA players.

[no kidding]

Wallace "was beat pretty badly, but was able to make up for it because of his length.  He wouldn't be able to do that against real NBA players."

Somehow that doesn't seem to make Scalabrine any less inept, or Tony Allen and Bill Walker any taller.

[Chris]

Wallace "was beat pretty badly, but was able to make up for it because of his length.  He wouldn't be able to do that against real NBA players."

Somehow that doesn't seem to make Scalabrine any less inept, or Tony Allen and Bill Walker any taller.

Scalabrine has been a quality NBA defender for years (although offensively, he is deteriorating quicker than any player I have ever seen...and he wasnt good in the first place).  Allen and Bill Walker are plenty tall enough to cover just about any NBA wing.  And in general, as soon as you start playing someone just because they are tall, you are on your way to the lottery.

[greenwise]

[/quote]

You just hate Scal and are trying to invent stats to make the guy look worse than he is. At least make a credible assessment of the guy and tell the truth. With fans like you out there it is no wonder the guy can't get his shooting confidence back.
[/quote]

Look, i don't want to get into an argument here because it's ridiculous...who are you to tell me what kind of fan i am? Who are you to tell me that I don't say the truth and that i invent things???

It seems you see a player that no one else sees...It doesn't matter if i hate Scal or not...he is just the least talented player in our roster, no matter how you put it

[Redz]

You just hate Scal and are trying to invent stats to make the guy look worse than he is. At least make a credible assessment of the guy and tell the truth. With fans like you out there it is no wonder the guy can't get his shooting confidence back.
[/quote]

Look, i don't want to get into an argument here because it's ridiculous...who are you to tell me what kind of fan i am? Who are you to tell me that I don't say the truth and that i invent things???
[/quote]

So a guy saying he likes Miles over Scals is contributing to Scals level of play?  Heh?

OK, speaking in mod voice now: You guys disagree.  You've made your points.  Let's leave it at that without making personal attacks

[no kidding]

I hate to interrupt tonight's argument about Scalabrine, but I keep thinking about who's going to guard Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Tracy McGrady, and Tayshaun Prince when Pierce is on the bench.

The thought of Brandaon Wallace being available to stay (mostly) in front of those guys, with those long arms of his, sounds good to me. Even if he gets beat, those guys would be aware of his reach from behind. And as I recall, Posey got beat a number of times too, but was still considered a solid defensive contributor.

[greenwise]

Ok, Redz 

[vjcsmoke]

This wasn't a big surprise.  His only value was to stick it to Portland.
He wasn't showing enough in games to warrant a roster spot outside of that.

[tenn_smoothie]

isn't a recovering and hopefully improving Darius Miles more valuable long-term than Sam Cassell, who in the pre-season practice and game coverage i've seen, continues to ignore the flow of the offense and just jack it up with no regard for the good of the team ?

so he shoots alot in practice pick up games, and thus is going to kill the team from his 14th or 15th roster spot....

logic leaps are fun!

you know, i saw rondo hit 3 3-pointers in a row during pre season practice this year. clearly he's a 40% 3 point shooter this year. 

That was hardly a logic leap, we have all seen Sam Cassell do exactly what Tenn_Smoothie said he does in meaningful playoff games. And we have seen Doc Rivers move Cassell from the end of the bench to 7th guy in the rotation in those playoff games even when there were better players like House that should have been playing.

I'm guessing, ok hoping, that when PJ decides to comeback after the All-Star break that Cassell is an assistant and his spot is used for PJ

thank you Yak for explaining my point that i thought was an obvious one.

yes - what i've seen from Cassell this pre-season is just that - pre-season. the larger point here is that what Sam is doing this preseason is just a continuation of all the bad offensive decisions that he was making last year into the playoffs ......... dribbling too much, making little attempt to contribute to the flow of the offense and, of course, jacking up bad shots.