Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review

[wdleehi]

"I put your team at the top of their division.  But they are not the best team in this league.
"

This team is one of the least flawed. I agree with Hobbs in Welcoming 3 teams in this discussion, The Nets, Blazers and Hornets.

No love for the Magics?    I'm curious what you (or anyone) think our flaws/weaknesses are... especially vs. the teams you listed.  (honest question i'm not trying to bait anyone... i just haven't seen any analysis of our team):

PG: Delonte West
SG: Allen IVerson
SF: Danny Granger / Matt Harpring
PF: Tim Duncan / Thaddeus Young
C: Brad Miller / Joakim Noah

(P.S. Keep in mind that we're *this close* to trading Delonte West for Eddy Curry and two 16th round picks )

I really like your team except for AI.  I think you would be better off with larger SG.  (especially when you look at he size of some of the SGs you would have to face in the playoffs)  And I don't trust AI to involve Duncan enough, and Duncan is the player on your team that can deliver a title. 

Well FWIW, here's my thinking....

For the most part Delonte and AI are gonna switch up (Delonte PG on offense, AI PG on D), that's an imperfect solution, but the one we have right now.  We added Harpring exactly to deal with guys like Maggette and Vince Carter.   In a pinch, if we're getting beat up by a big SG, we'll move AI to PG, put in Harpring or Thad Young and ask them + Granger to lock down the wings....

Delonte showed in the semifinals vs. Boston, while not the worlds best PG, he works well with star players and knows when to take the shot and when to pass.  So we're simplfying the game for him to allow Iverson to focus on scoring and secondary passing --- and Tommy's gonna be on AI and Delonte to RUN RUN RUN with Granger and Young.

As far as Iverson goes..... Iverson is who we think he is.... a warrior.  But AI also knows that this is his last shot for a ring after the attempt in Denver fell apart.  And Hubie will get him to see that the team has the best shot to win if he's involving other players --- something he does quite well btw, in addition to volume scoring.  Everyone said he couldn't play with Melo and they've worked well togehter and have gotten others involved in DEN (their problem was they played no defense as a team).

Iverson will be this year's Pierce in the playoffs, he won't change his stripes, but he'll alter their hue to get that ring.  Like Pierce he's not played with a player of Duncan's caliber and took far inferior teams much further.

And we've still got a few picks/trades we're working on.... thanks for the critique.

Maybe.   But Pierce has always showed more willingness to share then AI.  Even now, it seems that AI and Melo take turns being the scorers with very few plays that include both of them. 


And you need a very strong coach to convince AI that the ball needs to be in West's hands to start the offense.   

[JSD]

I am not sure why everyone sleeps on the Bobcats.

Yao Ming - Is a top 3 center in the league and has to be doubled at all times.

Deron Williams - Top 2 point guard and is showing he might be the best during olympics.

Ben Gordon- Lights out jump shooter you cannot double Yao off him.

Z. Randolph - Great 17 ft jumper and rebounder, will spread floor for Yao.

Marvin Willaims- Athletic 3 man plays solid D, Good Mid-range game.

Love, Stevenson, Gasol - All tough players, the Love to Williams connection could be pure magic ont he fast break. 

Also, who's starting and who's on the bench? What's your Generic starting lineup?

[JSD]

it's really hard to tell who's better right now. i say complete the rosters and put it into an nba simulation, best of 7.

This idea I like. Can this be done in NBA live or 2k? (I'm an NBA live guy just never tried).

[Evantime34]

"I put your team at the top of their division.  But they are not the best team in this league.
"

This team is one of the least flawed. I agree with Hobbs in Welcoming 3 teams in this discussion, The Nets, Blazers and Hornets.

No love for the Magics?    I'm curious what you (or anyone) think our flaws/weaknesses are... especially vs. the teams you listed.  (honest question i'm not trying to bait anyone... i just haven't seen any analysis of our team):

PG: Delonte West
SG: Allen IVerson
SF: Danny Granger / Matt Harpring
PF: Tim Duncan / Thaddeus Young
C: Brad Miller / Joakim Noah

(P.S. Keep in mind that we're *this close* to trading Delonte West for Eddy Curry and two 16th round picks )

I really like your team except for AI.  I think you would be better off with larger SG.  (especially when you look at he size of some of the SGs you would have to face in the playoffs)  And I don't trust AI to involve Duncan enough, and Duncan is the player on your team that can deliver a title. 

Well FWIW, here's my thinking....

For the most part Delonte and AI are gonna switch up (Delonte PG on offense, AI PG on D), that's an imperfect solution, but the one we have right now.  We added Harpring exactly to deal with guys like Maggette and Vince Carter.   In a pinch, if we're getting beat up by a big SG, we'll move AI to PG, put in Harpring or Thad Young and ask them + Granger to lock down the wings....

Delonte showed in the semifinals vs. Boston, while not the worlds best PG, he works well with star players and knows when to take the shot and when to pass.  So we're simplfying the game for him to allow Iverson to focus on scoring and secondary passing --- and Tommy's gonna be on AI and Delonte to RUN RUN RUN with Granger and Young.

As far as Iverson goes..... Iverson is who we think he is.... a warrior.  But AI also knows that this is his last shot for a ring after the attempt in Denver fell apart.  And Hubie will get him to see that the team has the best shot to win if he's involving other players --- something he does quite well btw, in addition to volume scoring.  Everyone said he couldn't play with Melo and they've worked well togehter and have gotten others involved in DEN (their problem was they played no defense as a team).

Iverson will be this year's Pierce in the playoffs, he won't change his stripes, but he'll alter their hue to get that ring.  Like Pierce he's not played with a player of Duncan's caliber and took far inferior teams much further.

And we've still got a few picks/trades we're working on.... thanks for the critique.

Maybe.   But Pierce has always showed more willingness to share then AI.  Even now, it seems that AI and Melo take turns being the scorers with very few plays that include both of them. 


And you need a very strong coach to convince AI that the ball needs to be in West's hands to start the offense.   

Wait doesn't AI average like 8 assists and Pierce averages about 4? AI does share the ball and he plays pretty good defense.

[celticmaestro]

it's really hard to tell who's better right now. i say complete the rosters and put it into an nba simulation, best of 7.

This idea I like. Can this be done in NBA live or 2k? (I'm an NBA live guy just never tried).

i don't think we should do that, because teams built for the future will get whooped.

how do we assess who's got the best young team made to win over a long period as opposed to the win-now teams?

[wdleehi]

"I put your team at the top of their division.  But they are not the best team in this league.
"

This team is one of the least flawed. I agree with Hobbs in Welcoming 3 teams in this discussion, The Nets, Blazers and Hornets.

No love for the Magics?    I'm curious what you (or anyone) think our flaws/weaknesses are... especially vs. the teams you listed.  (honest question i'm not trying to bait anyone... i just haven't seen any analysis of our team):

PG: Delonte West
SG: Allen IVerson
SF: Danny Granger / Matt Harpring
PF: Tim Duncan / Thaddeus Young
C: Brad Miller / Joakim Noah

(P.S. Keep in mind that we're *this close* to trading Delonte West for Eddy Curry and two 16th round picks )

I really like your team except for AI.  I think you would be better off with larger SG.  (especially when you look at he size of some of the SGs you would have to face in the playoffs)  And I don't trust AI to involve Duncan enough, and Duncan is the player on your team that can deliver a title. 

Well FWIW, here's my thinking....

For the most part Delonte and AI are gonna switch up (Delonte PG on offense, AI PG on D), that's an imperfect solution, but the one we have right now.  We added Harpring exactly to deal with guys like Maggette and Vince Carter.   In a pinch, if we're getting beat up by a big SG, we'll move AI to PG, put in Harpring or Thad Young and ask them + Granger to lock down the wings....

Delonte showed in the semifinals vs. Boston, while not the worlds best PG, he works well with star players and knows when to take the shot and when to pass.  So we're simplfying the game for him to allow Iverson to focus on scoring and secondary passing --- and Tommy's gonna be on AI and Delonte to RUN RUN RUN with Granger and Young.

As far as Iverson goes..... Iverson is who we think he is.... a warrior.  But AI also knows that this is his last shot for a ring after the attempt in Denver fell apart.  And Hubie will get him to see that the team has the best shot to win if he's involving other players --- something he does quite well btw, in addition to volume scoring.  Everyone said he couldn't play with Melo and they've worked well togehter and have gotten others involved in DEN (their problem was they played no defense as a team).

Iverson will be this year's Pierce in the playoffs, he won't change his stripes, but he'll alter their hue to get that ring.  Like Pierce he's not played with a player of Duncan's caliber and took far inferior teams much further.

And we've still got a few picks/trades we're working on.... thanks for the critique.

Maybe.   But Pierce has always showed more willingness to share then AI.  Even now, it seems that AI and Melo take turns being the scorers with very few plays that include both of them. 


And you need a very strong coach to convince AI that the ball needs to be in West's hands to start the offense.   

Wait doesn't AI average like 8 assists and Pierce averages about 4? AI does share the ball and he plays pretty good defense.

Ai get assists because the ball is always in his hands.  And his defense is terrible.  He plays passing lanes.  For every ball he steals in there, he is out of his position 4 to 5 times meaning the rest of the defense has to scramble to cover (which is why I can't understand why Denver traded Camby, the perfect C to cover AI)

[JSD]

it's really hard to tell who's better right now. i say complete the rosters and put it into an nba simulation, best of 7.

This idea I like. Can this be done in NBA live or 2k? (I'm an NBA live guy just never tried).

i don't think we should do that, because teams built for the future will get whooped.

how do we assess who's got the best young team made to win over a long period as opposed to the win-now teams?

We'll simulate an entire season and whatever young team doesn't "suck the most" wins?

[Scribbles]

Utah Jazz

PG: Udrih   Age 26   
SG: Johnson Age 27   
SF: McGrady Age 29   
PF: Aldrige Age 23   
 C: Diop    Age 26   
 6: Diaw    Age 26   
 7: Kapono  Age 27

Any thoughts on my team? 

[JSD]

Utah Jazz

PG: Udrih   Age 26   
SG: Johnson Age 27   
SF: McGrady Age 29   
PF: Aldrige Age 23   
 C: Diop    Age 26   
 6: Diaw    Age 26   
 7: Kapono  Age 27

Any thoughts on my team? 

WHy does everyone put it upside down like this? It hurts my eyes

Anyway I love the middle of your lineup and Diaw coming off the bench. I would look to upgrade at the 1 and 5 spots. I like Udrih who has some rings but I'm not sure he's a starter. Diop has never started more then 18 games in his career

[Scribbles]

Utah Jazz

PG: Udrih   Age 26   
SG: Johnson Age 27   
SF: McGrady Age 29   
PF: Aldrige Age 23   
 C: Diop    Age 26   
 6: Diaw    Age 26   
 7: Kapono  Age 27

Any thoughts on my team? 

WHy does everyone put it upside down like this? It hurts my eyes

Anyway I love the middle of your lineup and Diaw coming off the bench. I would look to upgrade at the 1 and 5 spots. I like Udrih who has some rings but I'm not sure he's a starter. Diop has never started more then 18 games in his career

Hoping my guy falls I'll have another big man that can handle starting...I hope.  Thanks for the input. 

[Edgar]

Utah Jazz

PG: Udrih   Age 26   
SG: Johnson Age 27   
SF: McGrady Age 29   
PF: Aldrige Age 23   
 C: Diop    Age 26   
 6: Diaw    Age 26   
 7: Kapono  Age 27

Any thoughts on my team? 

WHy does everyone put it upside down like this? It hurts my eyes

Anyway I love the middle of your lineup and Diaw coming off the bench. I would look to upgrade at the 1 and 5 spots. I like Udrih who has some rings but I'm not sure he's a starter. Diop has never started more then 18 games in his career

Hoping my guy falls I'll have another big man that can handle starting...I hope.  Thanks for the input. 

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[Steve Weinman]

Further, I'm not exactly sure why Bogut gets the edge over Al Horford, one of the game's most promising young bigs on both ends of the floor.

Bogut is better in every statistical category and He's 23. How does he not get the nod?

Career averages: Bogut 11.9 points, 8.5 boards, 1.1 blocks per game; Horford 10.1-9.7-0.9

It's not exactly a blowout, though Bogut is also the better passer.  That said, Horford is a year and a half younger, quicker, a better leaper and two years shorter on NBA experience thus far.  He came out of a great college program, is a hard worker and is expected to make tremendous progress over the next few seasons.  Here's guessing he'll pass Bogut in value sooner rather than later.

My earlier point about 'playoff experience' stands regardless.

-sw

[JSD]

Further, I'm not exactly sure why Bogut gets the edge over Al Horford, one of the game's most promising young bigs on both ends of the floor.

Bogut is better in every statistical category and He's 23. How does he not get the nod?

Career averages: Bogut 11.9 points, 8.5 boards, 1.1 blocks per game; Horford 10.1-9.7-0.9

It's not exactly a blowout, though Bogut is also the better passer.  That said, Horford is a year and a half younger, quicker, a better leaper and two years shorter on NBA experience thus far.  He came out of a great college program, is a hard worker and is expected to make tremendous progress over the next few seasons.  Here's guessing he'll pass Bogut in value sooner rather than later.

My earlier point about 'playoff experience' stands regardless.

-sw

Horford may surpass Bogut at some point in his career but my comparison was to show the here and now.

Also, Why are you using careers stats in this comparison? Wouldn't last year's statistics be more appropriate?

 

[JSD]

Coach K can get creative:

Starters:

C –  Andrew Bogut
PF - Shaquille O’neal
SF – Lamar Odom
SG – Kevin Martin
PG – Tony Parker

Bench:

C  – Alonzo Mourning
SF – Gerald Wallace
SG – Michael Finley
PG – Luke Ridnour
SF - Bonzi Wells
PF – Tyrus Thomas
PF/C – Zaza Pachulia

[RebusRankin]

Clippers:

PG: Williams, SG: Hamilton, SF: Jackson, PF: Nowitzki, C: Varejao
Bench: Hill, Oberto

We feel we have a nice 7 man rotation. We also feel we will be able to fill out our bench with quality.