Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review

[JSD]

Houston VS. Portland (WCF)

Scoring Type: Boxing rounds:


Bogut (10) > Horford (9) - The numbers are pretty close with Bogut having an edge in every statistical category last season. Bogut has a track record of progress and improved every year in this league. Horford is an undersized C and will eventually log the majority of his minutes at the 4 spot.

Odom (8 ) < Amare (10) - Amare is a monster, nothing more to add here.


Wallace(10) > Gay (9) - The numbers are almost identical offensively with Wallace a superior defensive player at this point in his career.

Kevin Martin (9) < Iguodala (10) - Martin is a better shooter and offensive player, while A.I individual defense and passing skills earn him a slight nod.

Tony Parker (10) - TJ Ford (8 )- Parker is one of the best scoring PG's in the league and annually posts one of the highest FG% in the NBA. Ford is a good play maker who will be on his third team in 5 years.

Bench (10) > (8 ) - Although we still have a ways to go, experience and talent heavily favor Houston at this point in the draft.


Final Score:

Rockets (57) > Blazers (54)

Blazers are better.  They have more players putting up similar stats but on winning (playoff) teams. 


Though a deciding factor can be healthy.   Ford (back) and Wallace (concussions) could both be out of this league really fast. 

You are ignoring the experience and talent coming off of my bench. ATl wasn't even .500 last season and Ford barely played so the "playoff team" in this comparison is overrated.

You mean Finley and Shaq who both looked 'done' at different points in the playoffs?  Their days of being consistent threats are over.

They were both starter last season logging serious minutes. On the Rockets they are coming off the bench...

[JSD]

Houston VS. Portland (WCF)

Scoring Type: Boxing rounds:


Bogut (10) > Horford (9) - The numbers are pretty close with Bogut having an edge in every statistical category last season. Bogut has a track record of progress and improved every year in this league. Horford is an undersized C and will eventually log the majority of his minutes at the 4 spot.

Odom (8 ) < Amare (10) - Amare is a monster, nothing more to add here.


Wallace(10) > Gay (9) - The numbers are almost identical offensively with Wallace a superior defensive player at this point in his career.

Kevin Martin (9) < Iguodala (10) - Martin is a better shooter and offensive player, while A.I individual defense and passing skills earn him a slight nod.

Tony Parker (10) - TJ Ford (8 )- Parker is one of the best scoring PG's in the league and annually posts one of the highest FG% in the NBA. Ford is a good play maker who will be on his third team in 5 years.

Bench (10) > (8 ) - Although we still have a ways to go, experience and talent heavily favor Houston at this point in the draft.


Final Score:

Rockets (57) > Blazers (54)

Blazers are better.  They have more players putting up similar stats but on winning (playoff) teams. 


Though a deciding factor can be healthy.   Ford (back) and Wallace (concussions) could both be out of this league really fast. 

You are ignoring the experience and talent coming off of my bench. ATl wasn't even .500 last season and Ford barely played so the "playoff team" in this comparison is overrated.

But look at some of your starters.  Wallace - lotto.  Bogut - lotto.  Martin - lotto.  Thomas - lotto.  Ridnour - lotto.  And how many of them were the best player on their team? 

Talent is talent and experience is experience.

Your logic is flawed:

Peirce in 07 - Lotto
KG in 07 - Lotto
Ray Allen in 07 - Lotto

[Rondo2287]

Nobody is a hater on your team man you just seem to be way to cocky and overrating alot of your players.  We agree that they are good, but there is a reason why Gerald is injury prone, he probably wont be immune to injuries now that hes on the rockets, it doesnt work that way

[wdleehi]

Houston VS. Portland (WCF)

Scoring Type: Boxing rounds:


Bogut (10) > Horford (9) - The numbers are pretty close with Bogut having an edge in every statistical category last season. Bogut has a track record of progress and improved every year in this league. Horford is an undersized C and will eventually log the majority of his minutes at the 4 spot.

Odom (8 ) < Amare (10) - Amare is a monster, nothing more to add here.


Wallace(10) > Gay (9) - The numbers are almost identical offensively with Wallace a superior defensive player at this point in his career.

Kevin Martin (9) < Iguodala (10) - Martin is a better shooter and offensive player, while A.I individual defense and passing skills earn him a slight nod.

Tony Parker (10) - TJ Ford (8 )- Parker is one of the best scoring PG's in the league and annually posts one of the highest FG% in the NBA. Ford is a good play maker who will be on his third team in 5 years.

Bench (10) > (8 ) - Although we still have a ways to go, experience and talent heavily favor Houston at this point in the draft.


Final Score:

Rockets (57) > Blazers (54)

Blazers are better.  They have more players putting up similar stats but on winning (playoff) teams. 


Though a deciding factor can be healthy.   Ford (back) and Wallace (concussions) could both be out of this league really fast. 

You are ignoring the experience and talent coming off of my bench. ATl wasn't even .500 last season and Ford barely played so the "playoff team" in this comparison is overrated.

But look at some of your starters.  Wallace - lotto.  Bogut - lotto.  Martin - lotto.  Thomas - lotto.  Ridnour - lotto.  And how many of them were the best player on their team? 

Talent is talent and experience is experience.

Your logic is flawed:

Peirce in 07 - Lotto
KG in 07 - Lotto
Ray Allen in 07 - Lotto

And all had lead their teams to conference finals in the past.  All still were in their prime.  All three of those players are better then all the players on your team (Parker and Ray is close)



Which one of your lotto guys can say that? 




Also, good luck convincing Shaq to come off the bench.

[Edgar]

Houston VS. Portland (WCF)

Scoring Type: Boxing rounds:


Bogut (10) > Horford (9) - The numbers are pretty close with Bogut having an edge in every statistical category last season. Bogut has a track record of progress and improved every year in this league. Horford is an undersized C and will eventually log the majority of his minutes at the 4 spot.

Odom (8 ) < Amare (10) - Amare is a monster, nothing more to add here.


Wallace(10) > Gay (9) - The numbers are almost identical offensively with Wallace a superior defensive player at this point in his career.

Kevin Martin (9) < Iguodala (10) - Martin is a better shooter and offensive player, while A.I individual defense and passing skills earn him a slight nod.

Tony Parker (10) - TJ Ford (8 )- Parker is one of the best scoring PG's in the league and annually posts one of the highest FG% in the NBA. Ford is a good play maker who will be on his third team in 5 years.

Bench (10) > (8 ) - Although we still have a ways to go, experience and talent heavily favor Houston at this point in the draft.


Final Score:

Rockets (57) > Blazers (54)

Blazers are better.  They have more players putting up similar stats but on winning (playoff) teams. 


Though a deciding factor can be healthy.   Ford (back) and Wallace (concussions) could both be out of this league really fast. 

You are ignoring the experience and talent coming off of my bench. ATl wasn't even .500 last season and Ford barely played so the "playoff team" in this comparison is overrated.

You mean Finley and Shaq who both looked 'done' at different points in the playoffs?  Their days of being consistent threats are over.



I did see how Hortford play in the playoffs.  Ford, while missing a lot of time this year, averaged 25 minutes a game this year in the playoff, and played last year in the playoffs.  



But look at some of your starters.  Wallace - lotto.  Bogut - lotto.  Martin - lotto.  Thomas - lotto.  Ridnour - lotto.  And how many of them were the best player on their team?


And for the players that were in the playoffs, how many of them were the best player on their team?  

whatever u two say
Mavs will be the not that surprise team
and will rule the west!!!Outscoring oponents one day and the other too

[wdleehi]

Houston VS. Portland (WCF)

Scoring Type: Boxing rounds:


Bogut (10) > Horford (9) - The numbers are pretty close with Bogut having an edge in every statistical category last season. Bogut has a track record of progress and improved every year in this league. Horford is an undersized C and will eventually log the majority of his minutes at the 4 spot.

Odom (8 ) < Amare (10) - Amare is a monster, nothing more to add here.


Wallace(10) > Gay (9) - The numbers are almost identical offensively with Wallace a superior defensive player at this point in his career.

Kevin Martin (9) < Iguodala (10) - Martin is a better shooter and offensive player, while A.I individual defense and passing skills earn him a slight nod.

Tony Parker (10) - TJ Ford (8 )- Parker is one of the best scoring PG's in the league and annually posts one of the highest FG% in the NBA. Ford is a good play maker who will be on his third team in 5 years.

Bench (10) > (8 ) - Although we still have a ways to go, experience and talent heavily favor Houston at this point in the draft.


Final Score:

Rockets (57) > Blazers (54)

Blazers are better.  They have more players putting up similar stats but on winning (playoff) teams. 


Though a deciding factor can be healthy.   Ford (back) and Wallace (concussions) could both be out of this league really fast. 

You are ignoring the experience and talent coming off of my bench. ATl wasn't even .500 last season and Ford barely played so the "playoff team" in this comparison is overrated.

You mean Finley and Shaq who both looked 'done' at different points in the playoffs?  Their days of being consistent threats are over.



I did see how Hortford play in the playoffs.  Ford, while missing a lot of time this year, averaged 25 minutes a game this year in the playoff, and played last year in the playoffs.  



But look at some of your starters.  Wallace - lotto.  Bogut - lotto.  Martin - lotto.  Thomas - lotto.  Ridnour - lotto.  And how many of them were the best player on their team?


And for the players that were in the playoffs, how many of them were the best player on their team?  

whatever u two say
Mavs will be the not that surprise team
and will rule the west!!!Outscoring oponents one day and the other too

I think you are one good trade from moving to the head of your division.  (I think I told you that somewhere else)

[JSD]

Houston VS. Portland (WCF)

Scoring Type: Boxing rounds:


Bogut (10) > Horford (9) - The numbers are pretty close with Bogut having an edge in every statistical category last season. Bogut has a track record of progress and improved every year in this league. Horford is an undersized C and will eventually log the majority of his minutes at the 4 spot.

Odom (8 ) < Amare (10) - Amare is a monster, nothing more to add here.


Wallace(10) > Gay (9) - The numbers are almost identical offensively with Wallace a superior defensive player at this point in his career.

Kevin Martin (9) < Iguodala (10) - Martin is a better shooter and offensive player, while A.I individual defense and passing skills earn him a slight nod.

Tony Parker (10) - TJ Ford (8 )- Parker is one of the best scoring PG's in the league and annually posts one of the highest FG% in the NBA. Ford is a good play maker who will be on his third team in 5 years.

Bench (10) > (8 ) - Although we still have a ways to go, experience and talent heavily favor Houston at this point in the draft.


Final Score:

Rockets (57) > Blazers (54)

Blazers are better.  They have more players putting up similar stats but on winning (playoff) teams. 


Though a deciding factor can be healthy.   Ford (back) and Wallace (concussions) could both be out of this league really fast. 

You are ignoring the experience and talent coming off of my bench. ATl wasn't even .500 last season and Ford barely played so the "playoff team" in this comparison is overrated.

But look at some of your starters.  Wallace - lotto.  Bogut - lotto.  Martin - lotto.  Thomas - lotto.  Ridnour - lotto.  And how many of them were the best player on their team? 

Talent is talent and experience is experience.

Your logic is flawed:

Peirce in 07 - Lotto
KG in 07 - Lotto
Ray Allen in 07 - Lotto

And all had lead their teams to conference finals in the past.  All still were in their prime.  All three of those players are better then all the players on your team (Parker and Ray is close)



Which one of your lotto guys can say that? 




Also, good luck convincing Shaq to come off the bench.

Two of my 5 starters have been to the Finals, one has 3 rings. Bogut and Martin have both been key contributors on playoff teams and Gerald Wallace has appeared in 3 separate playoff years (granted in a more limited role).

Historically, the East was never weaker then in "01" and "02" when Allen and Peirce went to the ECF respectively. And Garnett only made it past the 1st round of the playoffs 1 time before going green

so again, your logic is flawed.

Stop being lazy, do some research and crunch some numbers.

[JSD]

Houston VS. Portland (WCF)

Scoring Type: Boxing rounds:


Bogut (10) > Horford (9) - The numbers are pretty close with Bogut having an edge in every statistical category last season. Bogut has a track record of progress and improved every year in this league. Horford is an undersized C and will eventually log the majority of his minutes at the 4 spot.

Odom (8 ) < Amare (10) - Amare is a monster, nothing more to add here.


Wallace(10) > Gay (9) - The numbers are almost identical offensively with Wallace a superior defensive player at this point in his career.

Kevin Martin (9) < Iguodala (10) - Martin is a better shooter and offensive player, while A.I individual defense and passing skills earn him a slight nod.

Tony Parker (10) - TJ Ford (8 )- Parker is one of the best scoring PG's in the league and annually posts one of the highest FG% in the NBA. Ford is a good play maker who will be on his third team in 5 years.

Bench (10) > (8 ) - Although we still have a ways to go, experience and talent heavily favor Houston at this point in the draft.


Final Score:

Rockets (57) > Blazers (54)

Blazers are better.  They have more players putting up similar stats but on winning (playoff) teams. 


Though a deciding factor can be healthy.   Ford (back) and Wallace (concussions) could both be out of this league really fast. 

You are ignoring the experience and talent coming off of my bench. ATl wasn't even .500 last season and Ford barely played so the "playoff team" in this comparison is overrated.

You mean Finley and Shaq who both looked 'done' at different points in the playoffs?  Their days of being consistent threats are over.



I did see how Hortford play in the playoffs.  Ford, while missing a lot of time this year, averaged 25 minutes a game this year in the playoff, and played last year in the playoffs. 



But look at some of your starters.  Wallace - lotto.  Bogut - lotto.  Martin - lotto.  Thomas - lotto.  Ridnour - lotto.  And how many of them were the best player on their team?


And for the players that were in the playoffs, how many of them were the best player on their team?   

whatever u two say
Mavs will be the not that surprise team
and will rule the west!!!Outscoring oponents one day and the other too

I don't know Edgar, You might be 2 or 3 trades away right now

[wdleehi]

Houston VS. Portland (WCF)

Scoring Type: Boxing rounds:


Bogut (10) > Horford (9) - The numbers are pretty close with Bogut having an edge in every statistical category last season. Bogut has a track record of progress and improved every year in this league. Horford is an undersized C and will eventually log the majority of his minutes at the 4 spot.

Odom (8 ) < Amare (10) - Amare is a monster, nothing more to add here.


Wallace(10) > Gay (9) - The numbers are almost identical offensively with Wallace a superior defensive player at this point in his career.

Kevin Martin (9) < Iguodala (10) - Martin is a better shooter and offensive player, while A.I individual defense and passing skills earn him a slight nod.

Tony Parker (10) - TJ Ford (8 )- Parker is one of the best scoring PG's in the league and annually posts one of the highest FG% in the NBA. Ford is a good play maker who will be on his third team in 5 years.

Bench (10) > (8 ) - Although we still have a ways to go, experience and talent heavily favor Houston at this point in the draft.


Final Score:

Rockets (57) > Blazers (54)

Blazers are better.  They have more players putting up similar stats but on winning (playoff) teams. 


Though a deciding factor can be healthy.   Ford (back) and Wallace (concussions) could both be out of this league really fast. 

You are ignoring the experience and talent coming off of my bench. ATl wasn't even .500 last season and Ford barely played so the "playoff team" in this comparison is overrated.

But look at some of your starters.  Wallace - lotto.  Bogut - lotto.  Martin - lotto.  Thomas - lotto.  Ridnour - lotto.  And how many of them were the best player on their team? 

Talent is talent and experience is experience.

Your logic is flawed:

Peirce in 07 - Lotto
KG in 07 - Lotto
Ray Allen in 07 - Lotto

And all had lead their teams to conference finals in the past.  All still were in their prime.  All three of those players are better then all the players on your team (Parker and Ray is close)



Which one of your lotto guys can say that? 




Also, good luck convincing Shaq to come off the bench.

Two of my 5 starters have been to the Finals, one has 3 rings. Bogut and Martin have both been key contributors on playoff teams and Gerald Wallace has appeared in 3 separate playoff years (granted in a more limited role).

Historically, the East was never weaker then in "01" and "02" when Peirce and Allen went to the ECF respectively. And Garnett only made it past the 1st round of the playoffs 1 time before.

so again your logic is flawed.

Stop being lazy, do some research and crunch some numbers.

Odom folded like an accordion in the Finals.  

Bogut was in the playoffs when he was a rookie.  But, notice who was the starting PG?  (Ford)  And notice who was the C also played 30 minutes a game.  (Magloire)


Again, KG, Pierce and Ray are better then everyone on your team (with Parker and Ray being very close).  

None of your players lead their team to conference finals.  They were either the 2nd best player or 3rd best player.  



Wallace averaged 12 minutes a game at most when he was on a playoff team.  


I put your team at the top of their division.  But they are not the best team in this league.

[JSD]

"I put your team at the top of their division.  But they are not the best team in this league.
"

This team is one of the least flawed. I agree with Hobbs in Welcoming 3 teams in this discussion, The Nets, Blazers and Hornets.

"How's Shaq going handle not being a starter?" - It is not the Gm's job to handle the personalities on the team, thats a responsibility reserved for the coach.

Coach K has done a fine job so far managing star personalities in China and I look for him to continue that in Houston.

[Edgar]

Make it 4 Jsaad the Mavs are Hot right now

in other news acording to our team 2nd star Pau Gasol

BEIJING – Pau Gasol sat courtside with his feet dunked in a bucket of ice as the irony of ironies unfolded around him.

The Los Angeles Lakers center had just finished training Wednesday at the Beijing Language and Culture University, where students from around the world gather to learn Mandarin and promote international understanding.

Four days into the most global of events, and surrounded by buildings which foster social harmony across all colors and creeds, Gasol had to apologize for the actions of a Spanish men’s basketball team that made Asian “slant eyes” at the camera for a sponsor’s advertisement and thinks it’s OK.

Around him, his teammates and coaches reacted to the criticism homing in on them from around the world with a mixture of embarrassment, confusion and some mild defiance. The ad in question was for a Spanish courier company, Seur, but the Spanish team also counts the athletic shoe and apparel company owned by Li Ning – the former Chinese Olympian who lit the torch at this summer’s Games – among its sponsors.

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Jose Calderon of the Toronto Raptors has spent the last three years in North America, but he didn’t get it. He could still not understand how an action with such deep racial undertones had generated so much attention. In his mind a non-story became a story only when it was blown out of proportion by journalists with a mind for mischief.

“We did it because we thought it was going to be something nice, something with no problem,” Calderon told Yahoo! Sports. “But somebody wants to talk about it. It is too much of a big deal with you guys (the media) and everybody talking about that.”

Head coach Aíto García Reneses didn’t get it, either. Reneses comes from an older generation of Spanish society, one which has little time for the politically correct niceties of the modern world.

“If I go to play with a taller team and I put here (raising up on the tips of his toes) it is not an offense,” Reneses said. “I can’t understand anything more.”

But Gasol got it. He didn’t get it when the Spanish courier company persuaded the players to pose with their index fingers stretching their eyes to a thin slit at a team media day, but he sure as heck gets it now.

“Some of us didn’t feel comfortable doing it just because to me it was a little clownish for our part to be doing that,” Gasol said. “But the sponsors insisted and insisted. I think it is just a bad idea I guess to do that, but it was never intended to be offensive or racist against anybody.


“I didn’t find it very funny. I didn’t find it offensive, either. I guess some guys didn’t mind. To me I don’t want to be that way, I guess, to be doing that stuff.


“If anybody feels offended by it we totally apologize for it. We never meant anything offensive by it.”

The advertisement has regularly run as a full page in Spanish sports daily Marca soon after the picture was taken on July 1. However, it only came to prominence after it reached the attention of the Guardian newspaper in London this week.

Spanish sports is no stranger to racial controversy.


Luis Aragones, the head coach of Spain’s men’s soccer team, was overheard telling his player Jose Antonio Reyes to “tell that black (expletive) you are better than him” at a training session in 2004. Aragones was referring to Thierry Henry, a black player from France who was then a teammate of Reyes at English Premier League club Arsenal.

Aragones also struggled to understand what all the fuss was about, even as anti-racism groups seethed and soccer’s power brokers held their heads.

At a Formula One motor racing testing session this year, a group of Spanish fans believed to be supporting home driver Fernando Alonso were pictured with their faces covered with black paint. They wore T-shirts with the slogan “Hamilton’s Family,” a reference to Alonso’s world title rival Lewis Hamilton, a black Englishman.

Moreover, at an exhibition match in Madrid in 2004, several black members of the England men’s soccer team were subjected to monkey chants and whistles whenever they touched the ball.

Back in Spain, there has been no criticism of the advertisement, just support for a group of players who shoulders the hopes of a nation. Members of the Spanish media who spoke to Yahoo! Sports on Wednesday could not grasp why the issue had garnered so much publicity.

And while Gasol, in many ways the public face of Spain’s basketball team, sensed the photo was not a great idea, he refused to back down from his assertion that no harm was intended.

“If you put it in the wrong context and put it with the wrong people or a different kind of people, you could take it that way,” he said. “But not with our group and not with our people. I would find that a wrong read.”

[JSD]

"Odom folded like an accordion in the Finals. "

Against the best PF in the game.

How did he do against Martin, West and Duncan?

"Bogut was in the playoffs when he was a rookie.  But, notice who was the starting PG?  (Ford)  And notice who was the C also played 30 minutes a game.  (Magloire)"

So when you're a rookie it doesn't count...

[Gainesville Celtic]

"I put your team at the top of their division.  But they are not the best team in this league.
"

This team is one of the least flawed. I agree with Hobbs in Welcoming 3 teams in this discussion, The Nets, Blazers and Hornets.

No love for the Magics?    I'm curious what you (or anyone) think our flaws/weaknesses are... especially vs. the teams you listed.  (honest question i'm not trying to bait anyone... i just haven't seen any analysis of our team):

PG: Delonte West
SG: Allen IVerson
SF: Danny Granger / Matt Harpring
PF: Tim Duncan / Thaddeus Young
C: Brad Miller / Joakim Noah

(P.S. Keep in mind that we're *this close* to trading Delonte West for Eddy Curry and two 16th round picks )

[JSD]

"lamar odom did have a bad finals. i do think the nba dpoy had something to do with that. along with the best team defense in the league by far. against the 3rd best defense last year in SA lamar put up 13/10 but against utah against boozer he put up 18/11 and utah is better defensively than phoenix and amare is a turnstile on defense. check www.82games.com for opp per for amare. you cant chalk that all up to pace. odom is a better defender than amare stoudamire.

parker is arguably a top 5 pg in this league with nash, cp3, deron, and billups. martin was one of the most efficient scorers in the league last year. superb shooter, athletic and gets to the line a ton."

A PM I received from an onlooker of this thread.

[indeedproceed]

"I put your team at the top of their division.  But they are not the best team in this league.
"

This team is one of the least flawed. I agree with Hobbs in Welcoming 3 teams in this discussion, The Nets, Blazers and Hornets.

No love for the Magics?    I'm curious what you (or anyone) think our flaws/weaknesses are... especially vs. the teams you listed.  (honest question i'm not trying to bait anyone... i just haven't seen any analysis of our team):

PG: Delonte West
SG: Allen IVerson
SF: Danny Granger / Matt Harpring
PF: Tim Duncan / Thaddeus Young
C: Brad Miller / Joakim Noah

(P.S. Keep in mind that we're *this close* to trading Delonte West for Eddy Curry and two 16th round picks )

Don't do it! Its a trap! Eddy Curry doesn't exist!