Manny to the Dodgers

[LB3533]

I will say this, Bay is a much better player than JD Drew, and he is not as injury prone as JD Drew.

I can cut Drew some slack this year because he's rebounded from a god awful season last year....but still his current production doesn't warrant 15mill per season.

And we are paying less than 8mill to Bay for such "very good" production?? (I like that!)

Another key point is that Bay had an awful year last year, but it might have been a fluke...just like Scal's one good half a season with the Nets.

Bay's already surpassed his HRs total of last year with 22 > 21 and his average is nearly 40 points higher this year then last year.

Question(s) still remains:

Can Bay hit better in our lineup?

Will Bay struggle like JD Drew or Renter-Wreck did their first stint with us?

Can Bay play on "our type of stage"?

Seems to me that Nomar could, Manny could, even Cabrera eventually could and JD Drew is showing he can play like a slightly > Trot Nixon......but what about Bay?

[LB3533]

You all have to think what exactly did the Red Sox do to make this team "a better team".

They fixed a problem by trading away a malcontent...but did that make the team on the field better or just better in the clubhouse?

If you want to call Bay for Manny a "push" then you have to say that the team didn't get better....just stayed the same.

This was a sideways deal for this season.

I am not in the camp that feels Bay for Manny is a wash because Manny strikes more fear into pitchers and the combo of Manny and Ortiz is about 100x more powerful than the combo of Bay and Ortiz.

By giving up our own Red Sox resources to "sweetin the pot" for getting rid of Manny just doesn't make sense for the future of this organization.

and the "trading a malcontent" angle would only work if Manny stayed a problem after the deadline which is not a given.

actually what is more likely is that he would have been all business because he is playing for a contract and if he wants some team to give him 60 mil over the next three seasons, then he would have to have a big final push to the season...

which is another reason i think the team would have been better to play this out than make a trade.

I agree with this 100%. If Manny continued to be a "baby" or a "poor teammate" it would not serve him nor his agent anything positive for future teams looking to seek Manny's services.

I can almost guarantee that had WE not gotten swept by the Angels TWICE, and lost 2 out of 3 to the Red Hot Yankees....we would not have been so desperate to make this deal.

Things are so much better when we are winning and had we been winning....this Manny situation would still be filed under "Manny is being Manny".

But since we are losing, the Front Office feels like they have to do something to shake things up.

Also can we place sole blame on Manny and this circus as to why we are losing and playing poor baseball?

Hell no!

A team loses as a team and wins as a team.

[Fan from VT]

I gotta say, things felt "off" this year. maybe management thought they didn't have it in them this year; this may be more for next season. spending six mil instead of 20 on left field, make splash with a pitcher and shortstop, go for it next year.

[LB3533]

I gotta say, things felt "off" this year. maybe management thought they didn't have it in them this year; this may be more for next season. spending six mil instead of 20 on left field, make splash with a pitcher and shortstop, go for it next year.

I don't know if I agree with this. Weren't we the best team in baseball right from the very beginning?

Had we not won the World Series last year?

Sure the Schilling stuff hurt us, but he was pretty mediocre last year and we still swept the Rockies....

The Yankees came out of the gate really slow....

Sure the -Rays came out and surprised everyone including the Devil himself.

But we were still the top team in the majors and then we got mediocre and we have been that way for the last month I think.

Actually we're worse than mediocre (11-13) in our last 30 days.

[hpantazo]

Stupid trade. The only thing similiar about Bay and Manny are their homerun numbers. Manny is a far superior all around hitter. He walks more - he is the smarter hitter. He can hit good pitching.
John Henry and company suffer from a bit too much holier then thou complex.. They need to learn how to manage some egos..

Pete

Problem is he literally stopped showing up in games with good right-handed pitchers starting, with those phantom injuries.  It was time for Manny to go.

exactly, TP

[winsomme]

I gotta say, things felt "off" this year. maybe management thought they didn't have it in them this year; this may be more for next season. spending six mil instead of 20 on left field, make splash with a pitcher and shortstop, go for it next year.

i agree with the "off" feeling. for me it started back in Feb when Schilling wasn't allowed to have his surgery.

i thought the surgery was the only chance he had to play this year and without him, i worried about our pitching staff...

but if the front office is in any way giving in this season in their minds, it is a huge mistake because when you play in a division with the Yankees you are almost always going to be in a battle for the division title.

plus more and more teams are getting really good at developing players, so there is simply no way to plan on making the playoffs in ANY season.

right now, we are leading the Wild Card race and right there for the Division.....you simply cannot concede a season in that position.

[winsomme]

Stupid trade. The only thing similiar about Bay and Manny are their homerun numbers. Manny is a far superior all around hitter. He walks more - he is the smarter hitter. He can hit good pitching.
John Henry and company suffer from a bit too much holier then thou complex.. They need to learn how to manage some egos..

Pete

Problem is he literally stopped showing up in games with good right-handed pitchers starting, with those phantom injuries.  It was time for Manny to go.

that's the most ridiculous thing i have EVER heard.

Manny faking injuries to miss good right-handed pitchers.....please...

this is what happens when the Red Sox PR machine gets in motion with their smear campaigns.

pretty much proof of what Manny was saying about how they treat players they decide they don't want any more regardless of their place in the history of the game.

[hpantazo]

Stupid trade. The only thing similiar about Bay and Manny are their homerun numbers. Manny is a far superior all around hitter. He walks more - he is the smarter hitter. He can hit good pitching.
John Henry and company suffer from a bit too much holier then thou complex.. They need to learn how to manage some egos..

Pete

Problem is he literally stopped showing up in games with good right-handed pitchers starting, with those phantom injuries.  It was time for Manny to go.

that's the most ridiculous thing i have EVER heard.

Manny faking injuries to miss good right-handed pitchers.....please...

this is what happens when the Red Sox PR machine gets in motion with their smear campaigns.

pretty much proof of what Manny was saying about how they treat players they decide they don't want any more regardless of their place in the history of the game.

yea, and I'm sure he didn't push an old guy to the floor and get in a fight with youk either. come one, wake up, the guy was acting like a spoiled brat because management didn't give him an insane contract extension during the season. He deserved to be sent packing, they put up with his bs for a long time, but now he went overboard and he's getting old and his skills are declining.

[acieEarl]

Manny is one hell of a hitter and you could only down grade with a replacement, but at the same time I really don't think this team was going to win this year with the current line up. Manny was out the door at the end of the year so I think management just said lets get something for Manny.

[nickagneta]

Some fabulous summertime hyperbole here.

Without Manny we won't make the playoffs even though we are replacing him with a guy who plays better defense and has almost the exact same numbers this year?

Without Manny we wouldn't have won the 2 World Series even though it was Ortiz's clutch hitting and excellent pitching that brought us back from the dead in 2004 and balance offense and excellent pitching that did the same last year?

There aren't 10 players in the history of the game as good as Manny? Ruth, Cobb, Williams, Gehrig, Mays, Bonds, Killebrew, Mantle, Aaron, Griffey Jr., Schmidt, F. Robinson, B Robinson, Rodriguez, Banks, Musial, Ripken, Rose, Bench, Berra and a bunch of pitchers might have something to say about that.

Manny had a good reason to quit on his teammates in 2006 because the front office made a trade the players didn't like?

I love summertime hyperbole!!

[bandonox]

manny was my favorite player...
words cannot express how depressed i am....
now i know what nomar fans felt like in 04....
and yeah... like torre's gonna put up with manny being manny....sure

[Fan from VT]

Regardless of what happens going forward, Manny deserves to be remembered and respected for what he did in Boston. I believe that had steroids not impacted baseball so much, Manny would go down as the greatest hitter between Griffey and Alex Rodriguez. He is and has always been a great hitter, and he's come through when it mattered time and again, unlike some other big regular season hitters. We would still have no world series titles without him, I am confident in that. I believe and hope that when he enters the Hall of Fame he will be wearing a Boston hat, because Boston is where much of his legacy was solidified. In baseball terms, he was easily worth the contract the Red Sox signed him to. As big a fan of the Sox as I am, there is no way that Jason Bay replaces Manny's production; however, it is still possible for the team to win another title this year as presently constructed if the cards fall correctly. But let's not lessen Manny's impact just because we are talking ourselves into Jason Bay. Let's root wholeheartedly for Bay and remember the greatness that was Manny, and thank him for all that he gave his fans.

I am not a manager of a team, nor am I in player personnel, I am a fan. As I stated above, I had a bad feeling about the rest of this season, so if this is what management thought was best for the Sox going forward, I will wait and see, and I will root for them to win many more world series. And I will not expect Bay to be as good as Manny, but I will not boo him if he does not live up to Manny's legacy. I wish the best for the Sox, and will always remember the Hall of Fame quirky left fielder that delivered two titles.

Thank you Manny, Good luck Jason.

[bballinlilbetty]

i am completely shocked with this trade. I do not see how this makes us any better as a ballclub. First off, you cannot replace manny's bat, and without him behind ortiz, im sure we will see a slight decline in ortiz's numbers as well. as bad as people think manny is defensively, he is always near the top of the list in terms of outfield assists. also, we also traded craig hanson...i dont understand this, we are in NEED of bullpen help...i just dont understand this, hopefully theo is still working on something...IN THEO I TRUST, haha

[winsomme]

Some fabulous summertime hyperbole here.

Without Manny we won't make the playoffs even though we are replacing him with a guy who plays better defense and has almost the exact same numbers this year?

Without Manny we wouldn't have won the 2 World Series even though it was Ortiz's clutch hitting and excellent pitching that brought us back from the dead in 2004 and balance offense and excellent pitching that did the same last year?

There aren't 10 players in the history of the game as good as Manny? Ruth, Cobb, Williams, Gehrig, Mays, Bonds, Killebrew, Mantle, Aaron, Griffey Jr., Schmidt, F. Robinson, B Robinson, Rodriguez, Banks, Musial, Ripken, Rose, Bench, Berra and a bunch of pitchers might have something to say about that.

Manny had a good reason to quit on his teammates in 2006 because the front office made a trade the players didn't like?

I love summertime hyperbole!!

alright nick...if you are so certain that Manny wasn't a big part of this team winning two World Series....make the prediction then.....does this team make the playoffs?

we are leading the Wild Card race right now.....lay this out for me....

i have yet to see one person who is hammering Manny step to the plate and say this team will make the playoffs....

and if you don't think they are going to make the playoffs, then why make the deal?

[hpantazo]

Some fabulous summertime hyperbole here.

Without Manny we won't make the playoffs even though we are replacing him with a guy who plays better defense and has almost the exact same numbers this year?

Without Manny we wouldn't have won the 2 World Series even though it was Ortiz's clutch hitting and excellent pitching that brought us back from the dead in 2004 and balance offense and excellent pitching that did the same last year?

There aren't 10 players in the history of the game as good as Manny? Ruth, Cobb, Williams, Gehrig, Mays, Bonds, Killebrew, Mantle, Aaron, Griffey Jr., Schmidt, F. Robinson, B Robinson, Rodriguez, Banks, Musial, Ripken, Rose, Bench, Berra and a bunch of pitchers might have something to say about that.

Manny had a good reason to quit on his teammates in 2006 because the front office made a trade the players didn't like?

I love summertime hyperbole!!

alright nick...if you are so certain that Manny wasn't a big part of this team winning two World Series....make the prediction then.....does this team make the playoffs?

we are leading the Wild Card race right now.....lay this out for me....

i have yet to see one person who is hammering Manny step to the plate and say this team will make the playoffs....

and if you don't think they are going to make the playoffs, then why make the deal?

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i say they make the playoffs this year and go deep in the playoffs, there you go