Manny to the Dodgers

[Brickowski]

The Boston radio talk show hosts must be devastated.  They now have nothing to talk about.

[hpantazo]

I don't think they had much of a choice, manny quit. At least they got something for him. How can you complain when you make 20 million a year on a winning team and the fans love you? What a jerk.

very sad. cant believe they traded him. our whole season is waisted now.
other teams are trying to get better and we get rid of our best player, instead of getting a good shortstop.

will miss manny,

Yeah, it's sad to see someone with his skills go. But it's a relief to get rid of someone with his baggage.

Let's not forget that he "injured" himself for the last 6 weeks of 2006 when the team was still in it. All it would have taken was one slide into second base and we could very well have lost Manny for the rest of this season to with an "injury".
 
Where would we have been then?

I'm sick of people saying Manny quit in 2006 when MANAGEMENT gave up on the team first by trading the #2 starter (David Wells) at the deadline.  I don't understand how people either miss or totally ignore that.  They were not still in it.... statistically, yes, but realistically, no.  At least management didn't think so.  Remember the team was decimated with injuries.  That, coupled with management trading their 2nd best pitcher made it impossible for the Sox to make the playoffs.

that's no reason for the players to quit, especially when they make the $$ manny was making. I appreciate all he did for the two championships, but when an employee acts the way he did in any sport or any vocation, you must get rid of him for the good of the organization.

you don't think winning TWO World Series for a franchise that was working on a 90 year drought was for the good of the organization?

i want to see some predictions from the people who think this was a great trade.

how many are willing to say we are going to make the playoffs?

don't confuse past and present, the two titles were great, but that doesn't mean a guy can do whatever he wants for the rest of his career while earning big $$, quitting on the team, and acting like a jerk. guys like that need to go. thanks for the titles, bye bye manny. his production is down and will  get worse, he is getting old and he knows it, so he tried to force the issue to get a big extension which he doesn't deserve, the money will be well spent on younger guys, for the good of the organization.

[winsomme]

Agreed, Bankshot.  But Manny is getting paid a lot of money to perform on the field. Even if management makes a move with the future in mind, it doesn't mean Manny shouldn't earn his paycheck.  He's capable of carrying a team with or without David Wells.  He just quit.

Seriously, this crap has gone on way too long.  The episode where he never took the bat off his shoulders as a pinch hitter.  At that point, the Sox should have done what the Packers are doing with their selfish drama queen.  Enough is enough.

yeah, way too long......much longer than i don't know almost NINE decades without a Title....

if Manny had just run out EVERY ground ball maybe we would have won FOUR WS....

yes manny contributed, but he's not the only one responsible for the two titles, there are PLENTY of other guys who contributed a lot too. Don't exagerate what he did for the team, you could make the same case for guys like ortiz, schilling, lowell, etc.

i'm not saying he won them by himself, but it can be argued that we would not have won them without him.

he was epic in that CLE series last year.

compare this to a guy like ARod who many consider the best player in baseball...

[LB3533]

This trade, when compared to the Nomar for 2 crappy hitters but good gloves....is 100x better.

[winsomme]

At first there was no report about who's paying Manny but I guess Gammons is reporting the Sox are paying his whole nut.

2 guys, Manny, and $7 million??

Steep price for addition by subtraction. Steep indeed. Bay better not have a slump or this town will fry him.

I hope the fans in this town give this kid a chance.  He has a lot to live up to by no choice of his own.  It isn't like he took a huge contract to come here.  He was traded (although I can't imagine he wouldn't be thrilled to get out of Pittsburgh and come to the Red Sox). I remember when Nomar was traded in 2004 and he and Dough Mientkiewicz just switched dugouts because the Red Sox were playing in Minneapolis.  Doug Mientkiewicz said something like "Holy xxxx, you mean they traded Nomar for me?!" I don't think he realized at first that the Red Sox got Cabrera too.

the one's on the hot seat should be Theo et al....not Bay....he didn't do anything wrong.

there aren't 10 players in the history of the game as good as Manny.....why would anybody expect Bay to be in the same zip code?

[LB3533]

I feel like we got hosed in this deal!  I can't believe this trade.  However, if it turns out like the Nomar trade - we make the playoffs and win the Series, all will be well.  I'm not so sure though.

I still find this laughable....the Nomar trade didn't cause this team to make the playoffs or win the World Series.

Sox played .500 ball for 12-15 games after the Nomar trade then went on to win 17 out of 22 games and then proceeded to play .500 ball (10-8) on their way to the playoffs.

[Bankshot]

This trade, when compared to the Nomar for 2 crappy hitters but good gloves....is 100x better.

Didn't Cabrera hit nearly .300 while with the Sox?  And how can you say this trade is better than a trade that helped win a WS?

[winsomme]

This trade, when compared to the Nomar for 2 crappy hitters but good gloves....is 100x better.

but the Nomar trade worked. Theo might not be here if that trade didn't work...

[winsomme]

This trade, when compared to the Nomar for 2 crappy hitters but good gloves....is 100x better.

Didn't Cabrera hit nearly .300 while with the Sox?  And how can you say this trade is better than a trade that helped win a WS?

yeah, he got wicked hot after that disastrous start. and he had big hits too.....to go along with his fielding.

i can't believe we are even talking about  this. Nomar was on and off the field, Manny is having a great season.....there is no comparison in terms of contribution.

the only comparison is how high profile they were as players.....

[LB3533]

You all have to think what exactly did the Red Sox do to make this team "a better team".

They fixed a problem by trading away a malcontent...but did that make the team on the field better or just better in the clubhouse?

If you want to call Bay for Manny a "push" then you have to say that the team didn't get better....just stayed the same.

This was a sideways deal for this season.

I am not in the camp that feels Bay for Manny is a wash because Manny strikes more fear into pitchers and the combo of Manny and Ortiz is about 100x more powerful than the combo of Bay and Ortiz.

By giving up our own Red Sox resources to "sweetin the pot" for getting rid of Manny just doesn't make sense for the future of this organization.

[LB3533]

This trade, when compared to the Nomar for 2 crappy hitters but good gloves....is 100x better.

Didn't Cabrera hit nearly .300 while with the Sox?  And how can you say this trade is better than a trade that helped win a WS?

We didn't win the WS cause Cabrera hit .300 or Minky's glove made a difference or because our club house was so much brighter with sunny sunshines....

..we won the WS because of other players' clutch hitting and Superb Pitching.

Do not forget that the team was basically swept out of the ALCS by the Yankees without Nomar on the team....

The playoffs for the 2004 Red Sox is exactly the same representation of the regular season. They played .500 ball in the playoffs and then went on a hot streak and ultimately won the World Series.

Also, bear in mind the Oakland Athletics won 20 straight games one year and did not win the World Series...their hot streak didn't show up in the playoffs like the Red Sox did.

One player, Nomar's removal from the team doesn't cause 2 sub par players to make the team better....the team itself just played better. (And they could have just played better just as easily with Nomar on the team).

[crownsy]

The Boston radio talk show hosts must be devastated.  They now have nothing to talk about.

oh, let Beckett have one more average start, and it will be a firestorm about whats wrong with him. the boston media never rests.

[LB3533]

For what it's worth...

In 21 games. Nomar was hitting .386 with 4 HRs and 12 RBIs in the month of July (he was traded on July 31st)

Aug: .306 4 HRs 16 RBIs

O-C hit .280 with ZERO HRs and 10 RBIs in July.

Aug: .278 3 HRs 14 RBIs

September is where O.C. clearly dominated Nomar because Nomar GOT hurt playing for the Cubs and the Cubs were sinking as a team.

Back to Manny.....

If this trade is going to be a "success" then Bay has to produce for this club.

If the club finds upgraded production like say Jason Varitek starts hitting .260 the rest of the way or Beckett starts pitching like he did in 2007 and then we start to win....well then it can't be attributed to Bay.

[winsomme]

You all have to think what exactly did the Red Sox do to make this team "a better team".

They fixed a problem by trading away a malcontent...but did that make the team on the field better or just better in the clubhouse?

If you want to call Bay for Manny a "push" then you have to say that the team didn't get better....just stayed the same.

This was a sideways deal for this season.

I am not in the camp that feels Bay for Manny is a wash because Manny strikes more fear into pitchers and the combo of Manny and Ortiz is about 100x more powerful than the combo of Bay and Ortiz.

By giving up our own Red Sox resources to "sweetin the pot" for getting rid of Manny just doesn't make sense for the future of this organization.

and the "trading a malcontent" angle would only work if Manny stayed a problem after the deadline which is not a given.

actually what is more likely is that he would have been all business because he is playing for a contract and if he wants some team to give him 60 mil over the next three seasons, then he would have to have a big final push to the season...

which is another reason i think the team would have been better to play this out than make a trade.

[Surferdad]

Stupid trade. The only thing similiar about Bay and Manny are their homerun numbers. Manny is a far superior all around hitter. He walks more - he is the smarter hitter. He can hit good pitching.
John Henry and company suffer from a bit too much holier then thou complex.. They need to learn how to manage some egos..

Pete

Problem is he literally stopped showing up in games with good right-handed pitchers starting, with those phantom injuries.  It was time for Manny to go.