Trade Youkilis and Manny?

[delontrey]

How to solve the Red Sox dilemma...

Step 1: Trade Youk and Hanson for Mark Teixera
**contract extention must be agreed upon before hand**

Youk may be a little bit of an anoyance in the clubhouse. He is also not liked around the league it seems, and there must be something to that. Teixera, unlike Youk, provides the power needed to replace Manny. It is going to be tough trading Hanson though... (joking)

Step 2: Trade Manny for a young stud catching prospect

We could give Tek a two year deal then this guy could take over.

Step 3: Have Ellsbury start in left and Coco in center everyday for the rest of the year

Any ball hit to Left or Center is probably not going to drop... (Right field is a different story)

I think we can still win a World Series with an Ortiz-Teixiera 3-4. Thoughts?

[Bankshot]

I'll assume that you don't care about winning this year.  You are replacing Youk with Texeira, who has almost the same production, but you are not replacing Manny's bat. And then playing both Crisp and Ellsbury together will make the lineup that much worse.  They both stink at the plate.

[delontrey]

I think that most importantly it allows us to obtain Mark Teixiera now instead of during free agency when the price will be driven up. Who else are we going to replace Manny with after this year?

[Nerf DPOY]

How to solve the Red Sox dilemma...

Step 1: Trade Youk and Hanson for Mark Teixera
**contract extention must be agreed upon before hand**

Youk may be a little bit of an anoyance in the clubhouse. He is also not liked around the league it seems, and there must be something to that. Teixera, unlike Youk, provides the power needed to replace Manny. It is going to be tough trading Hanson though... (joking)

Step 2: Trade Manny for a young stud catching prospect

We could give Tek a two year deal then this guy could take over.

Step 3: Have Ellsbury start in left and Coco in center everyday for the rest of the year

Any ball hit to Left or Center is probably not going to drop... (Right field is a different story)

I think we can still win a World Series with an Ortiz-Teixiera 3-4. Thoughts?

1. Typically Boras clients don't get locked up in season. I don't think that they'd agree to a contract.

2. Manny for a catcher? Okay, who?

3.If Ellsbury hits like he did in September for the rest of this season, then I'm okay with it. If he hits like he did in June/July, then I'm really hating the bottom third of our order.

Here's my plan. Ride out this season with Manny in left and see where it takes us. Then let him walk this offseason, and use that cash to sign Sabbathia. Then trade Bowden to Texas for one of their young catchers. I don't know who would play left.

[crownsy]

I'll assume that you don't care about winning this year.  You are replacing Youk with Texeira, who has almost the same production, but you are not replacing Manny's bat. And then playing both Crisp and Ellsbury together will make the lineup that much worse.  They both stink at the plate.

yea thats a terrable trade from a winning now or later perspective.

It strips 2 of our best bats out of the lineup and replaces only one, and puts more of the offense on two of our lighest hitters. It does nothign to help us win now.

For winning later, it strips us of a all star 1st baseman who we control very cheaply for the next few years, and replaces him with a guy who will be a free agent in 2 months and is rumoered to be seeking arod money. assuming we don't sign him, were now out 2 huge bats, with no one in this years FA market even close.

[crownsy]

I think that most importantly it allows us to obtain Mark Teixiera now instead of during free agency when the price will be driven up. Who else are we going to replace Manny with after this year?

won't happen, Boras clients don't give up FA years. It's why manny signed boras this summer, to try to get him out of his options and to Free agency.

also, and i love how manny has somehow won this battle in peoples minds we don't NEED to replace manny. yet. He works for us, and we hold the cards. If i were theo, with the corner OF market being so poor, if i can't find a good trade, i pick up his option for a year.

[celticpride07]

why dont we just trade youk and hansen for texiera and keep manny.
 that would give us an amazing lineup for the rest of the season.
ellsbury
pedroia
ortiz
manny
texiera
lowell
drew
varitek
lowrie/lugo

[SShoreFan 2.0]

why dont we just trade youk and hansen for texiera and keep manny.
 that would give us an amazing lineup for the rest of the season.
ellsbury
pedroia
ortiz
manny
texiera
lowell
drew
varitek
lowrie/lugo

$$$

The Sox have Youk under their control for I think the next 3-4 years and Texiera is a full free agent at the end of this year.

That is the only reason Texiera is available and it's why the Sox wont make the deal.

[crownsy]

why dont we just trade youk and hansen for texiera and keep manny.
 that would give us an amazing lineup for the rest of the season.
ellsbury
pedroia
ortiz
manny
texiera
lowell
drew
varitek
lowrie/lugo

So your sacrficing youk, a all star 1rstbaseman with comprable numbers who we pay 800k a year, for a 2 month rental of a guy who strikes out more but hits a few more homers? pass.

[Bankshot]

I think that most importantly it allows us to obtain Mark Teixiera now instead of during free agency when the price will be driven up. Who else are we going to replace Manny with after this year?

won't happen, Boras clients don't give up FA years. It's why manny signed boras this summer, to try to get him out of his options and to Free agency.

also, and i love how manny has somehow won this battle in peoples minds we don't NEED to replace manny. yet. He works for us, and we hold the cards. If i were theo, with the corner OF market being so poor, if i can't find a good trade, i pick up his option for a year.

Actually, that is not why Manny hired Boras.  Check out Rob Bradford's article in the Herald today.  Manny hired Boras because the Sox management said they would sit down with Manny after last season and talk about his future with the Sox.  That meeting never happened and Manny blamed his agent for not getting it done, so he hired Boras. Boras has a great reputation of getting things done. Boras is the one stands to lose out if the Sox pick up Manny's options, not Manny, because Boras gets no money if the options are picked up because the current contract was negotiated by Manny's prior agent. After Manny hired Boras, then (I believe) that Boras put into Manny's head that if the Sox don't pick up his options, he can get a 5 year deal worth $100M (those are the figures that Boras is supposedly throwing around).

I blame Manny's decision to hire that snake Boras for a lot of this mess.

[celticpride07]

we can pay the extra money this season and..sign texiera to an extension and let manny walk.

[CelticPride]

Actually, the latest rumor is move Manny + Serious $ to the Dodgers for Matt Kemp (or Ethier) . And then turn Youk/Hansen into Teixeira.

I don't see why they'd do part two if they could swing part 1, but the next few days should be interesting.

I'm guessing nothing happens, but we will see.

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/st/archives...deadline_1.html

[celticpride07]

the dodgers want us to take andruw jones in the deal...(having a horrible year)

SI.com reports that the Dodgers and Red Sox are currently having discussions about Manny Ramirez.
The talks are said to be in the early stages, and there are said to be a number of obstacles that still need to be cleared. The Red Sox are probably looking for Matt Kemp or Andre Ethier, and the Dodgers would like to rid themselves of Andruw Jones' salary.

[crownsy]

I think that most importantly it allows us to obtain Mark Teixiera now instead of during free agency when the price will be driven up. Who else are we going to replace Manny with after this year?

won't happen, Boras clients don't give up FA years. It's why manny signed boras this summer, to try to get him out of his options and to Free agency.

also, and i love how manny has somehow won this battle in peoples minds we don't NEED to replace manny. yet. He works for us, and we hold the cards. If i were theo, with the corner OF market being so poor, if i can't find a good trade, i pick up his option for a year.

Actually, that is not why Manny hired Boras.  Check out Rob Bradford's article in the Herald today.  Manny hired Boras because the Sox management said they would sit down with Manny after last season and talk about his future with the Sox.  That meeting never happened and Manny blamed his agent for not getting it done, so he hired Boras. Boras has a great reputation of getting things done. Boras is the one stands to lose out if the Sox pick up Manny's options, not Manny, because Boras gets no money if the options are picked up because the current contract was negotiated by Manny's prior agent. After Manny hired Boras, then (I believe) that Boras put into Manny's head that if the Sox don't pick up his options, he can get a 5 year deal worth $100M (those are the figures that Boras is supposedly throwing around).

I blame Manny's decision to hire that snake Boras for a lot of this mess.

ok, whatever. if you want to believe manny's just hoping for the options to be picked up, and so is scott, thats fine, but you hire boras when your going to test the market and earn yourself a long term deal, and ever since then he's  wanted that option terminated.

boras doesn't need to put anything in manny's head, hes not stupid.

2 years at 20 mill < 4 years at 15mill or so.

he wont be getting the last two years at anything apporching 15 mill if he's 38 when he negotiates it, espically if he continues to decline at the rate he is.

he wants out of the deal so he can sell a team on a 4 to 5 year deal with his current numbers, not after the sox have had him for 2 more.

manny wants a new deal, he has no interst in the options. thats why you hire scott boras.

[Bankshot]

I think that most importantly it allows us to obtain Mark Teixiera now instead of during free agency when the price will be driven up. Who else are we going to replace Manny with after this year?

won't happen, Boras clients don't give up FA years. It's why manny signed boras this summer, to try to get him out of his options and to Free agency.

also, and i love how manny has somehow won this battle in peoples minds we don't NEED to replace manny. yet. He works for us, and we hold the cards. If i were theo, with the corner OF market being so poor, if i can't find a good trade, i pick up his option for a year.

Actually, that is not why Manny hired Boras.  Check out Rob Bradford's article in the Herald today.  Manny hired Boras because the Sox management said they would sit down with Manny after last season and talk about his future with the Sox.  That meeting never happened and Manny blamed his agent for not getting it done, so he hired Boras. Boras has a great reputation of getting things done. Boras is the one stands to lose out if the Sox pick up Manny's options, not Manny, because Boras gets no money if the options are picked up because the current contract was negotiated by Manny's prior agent. After Manny hired Boras, then (I believe) that Boras put into Manny's head that if the Sox don't pick up his options, he can get a 5 year deal worth $100M (those are the figures that Boras is supposedly throwing around).

I blame Manny's decision to hire that snake Boras for a lot of this mess.

ok, whatever. if you want to believe manny's just hoping for the options to be picked up, and so is scott, thats fine, but you hire boras when your going to test the market and earn yourself a long term deal, and ever since then he's  wanted that option terminated.

boras doesn't need to put anything in manny's head, hes not stupid.

2 years at 20 mill < 4 years at 15mill or so.

he wont be getting the last two years at anything apporching 15 mill if he's 38 when he negotiates it, espically if he continues to decline at the rate he is.

he wants out of the deal so he can sell a team on a 4 to 5 year deal with his current numbers, not after the sox have had him for 2 more.

manny wants a new deal, he has no interst in the options. thats why you hire scott boras.

Manny DID have interest in the options because he asked for the Sox to pick up BOTH not one of his options before he hired Boras. He has stated several times early this season that he wanted the options picked up, that he wanted to play until he was 50 like Julio Franco and that he and David would be partners in crime in the Sox lineup for years.  You didn't listen to or believe any of that right?   Have you not listed to anything Manny has said this year? Or are you just going to believe everything the press says?  Also, you didn't read my post carefully, because I clearly stated that Boras would not benefit from the Sox picking up Manny's options.