Telfair got another contract!

[MLG5]

doc's forte is certainly NOT player development. not by any stretch of the imagination. although this can be said about a number of coaches in the league (i.e. donnie nelson)

i won't say gerald green's failures are on doc's shoulders but i will say doc did nothing of significance to help him.

in his defense though, when you have essentially 14 19-23 year olds running around at practice, where do you begin?

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ESPN rumors

The Timberwolves reached agreement Monday on a multi-year contract with unrestricted free agent Sebastian Telfair, his agent said.

"We're very excited for the opportunity to finish what we started," agent Andy Miller said. "Sebastian wants to help get this team back to the playoffs." -- Minneapolis Star Tribune

Yeah boyyyy....You guys can pull for Gerald Green all you want..as far as cheering for disappointing draft picks that played for the Boston Celtics, Im all telfair. Go Bassy, prove Randy Foye stinks.

i can see telfair becoming a decent starter one day.

[crownsy]

doc's forte is certainly NOT player development. not by any stretch of the imagination. although this can be said about a number of coaches in the league (i.e. donnie nelson)

i won't say gerald green's failures are on doc's shoulders but i will say doc did nothing of significance to help him.

in his defense though, when you have essentially 14 19-23 year olds running around at practice, where do you begin?

so, just to check, gomes, jefferson, west, powe and rondo don't count as successes right?

we measrure only by gerald green and banks?

just want to make sure im on the same page with the anti-docs.

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doc's forte is certainly NOT player development. not by any stretch of the imagination. although this can be said about a number of coaches in the league (i.e. donnie nelson)

i won't say gerald green's failures are on doc's shoulders but i will say doc did nothing of significance to help him.

in his defense though, when you have essentially 14 19-23 year olds running around at practice, where do you begin?

so, just to check, gomes, jefferson, west, powe and rondo don't count as successes right?

we measrure only by gerald green and banks?

just want to make sure im on the same page with the anti-docs.

wait so MLG5... you diss doc's coaching abilities, then you give him excuses? i don't know if you're for or against the guy. plus. why the hell does doc have to be a good player development guy? he has to run the team, not focus on an individual and develop their talents. thats for the assistants to do, and players to do on their own; example: cliff ray.

[CoachCowens]

doc's forte is certainly NOT player development. not by any stretch of the imagination. although this can be said about a number of coaches in the league (i.e. donnie nelson)

i won't say gerald green's failures are on doc's shoulders but i will say doc did nothing of significance to help him.

in his defense though, when you have essentially 14 19-23 year olds running around at practice, where do you begin?

so, just to check, gomes, jefferson, west, powe and rondo don't count as successes right?

we measrure only by gerald green and banks?

just want to make sure im on the same page with the anti-docs.

Gomes and Jefferson had their best year after getting away from Doc.
Not sure if you are helping your point.

The 2nd best part of the Ray Allen trade was removing Doc's boy Delonte from the team to free up time for Rondo.


 

[kozlodoev]

Gomes and Jefferson had their best year after getting away from Doc.
Not sure if you are helping your point.

The 2nd best part of the Ray Allen trade was removing Doc's boy Delonte from the team to free up time for Rondo.

Because Rondo was ready for 30mpg as a rookie, right?

Gomes and Jefferson will have ever better years when they're 28. How is this relevant to Doc at all? And of course, Jefferson as a rookie and Jefferson at the time of the trade were essentially the same player, right? Because Doc is god-awful at developping talent, right?

Gee...

[iowa plowboy]

doc's forte is certainly NOT player development. not by any stretch of the imagination. although this can be said about a number of coaches in the league (i.e. donnie nelson)

i won't say gerald green's failures are on doc's shoulders but i will say doc did nothing of significance to help him.

in his defense though, when you have essentially 14 19-23 year olds running around at practice, where do you begin?

 

so, just to check, gomes, jefferson, west, powe and rondo don't count as successes right?

we measrure only by gerald green and banks?

just want to make sure im on the same page with the anti-docs.

I'd say you've got it about right, crownsy.  

Gomes, West, Powe, and Rondo already could play both ends of the court when they came on board.  Their improvement came with playing time.  Powe's defensive improvement came when Coach Ray came on board and continued under Ray and Thibodeau.  Jefferson's and Perk's improvement came exclusively when Coach Ray came on board....Particularly their defensive footwork.  None of them made significant defensive improvement beyond that because the only defense implemented (well, sort of implemented) while they were Celtics (pre Thibodeau as it applies to all of the Celtics) was the blitz...A junk, gimmick defense.

You could throw Telfair into this mix as well.  I saw major improvements on both ends of the court under Wittman.  I can't figure out why Telfair didn't do better defensively under McMillan.  But he has under Wittman.  So has Jefferson.  I don't hold out a whole lot of hope for Gomes defensively.  He's undersized for a four and too slow for a three and his footwork sucks as well.

To answer MLG5's final question....Well, you could start by implementing  least a coherent defensive system to practice.  Defensively, this team regressed significantly before Thibodeau.  Especially their best player.  So did the players.  You have to have something in place.  Saying "They need to play better defense"  82 times to Mike Gorman before games does not improve a defense.  Whining that the defense was bad after a game doesn't either.

i won't say gerald green's failures are on doc's shoulders but i will say doc did nothing of significance to help him.

The same could be said for every young Celtic.

wait so MLG5... you diss doc's coaching abilities, then you give him excuses? i don't know if you're for or against the guy. plus. why the hell does doc have to be a good player development guy? he has to run the team, not focus on an individual and develop their talents. thats for the assistants to do, and players to do on their own; example: cliff ray.

He has to be a good player development guy because they had youth.  He wan't running the team or focusing on the player's talents.  This was the epitomy of a rudderless ship.

The fact that Danny put together an idiotproof roster with the NBA's best defensive coach doesn't change the obvious.  Had the youth been developed at all, Danny wouldn't have had to trade half the roster and draft choices to get Garnett and Allen.

Telfair and the rest of the Celtics' youth deserved better.

[indeedproceed]

Thread is about telfair, not doc, gerald, gomes, jefferson or Antoine Walker. If you guys wanna do that, start a new thread.

[cmburrill]

  Good for him, Pgs usually develop quicker then big men. Sabs had some other issues in his life, I hope going to Minn has helped out. As far as the Development of Gomes and Al, there is no doubt playing for a horrible team inflated their numbers. Just like their numbers would have been raised if they were in Boston. Its difficult to find 2-3 year players do worse then their 1st or 2nd year. Im not saying you wont find them. I know a team hopes for improvement in numbers.

[nickagneta]

The two times I saw Telfair against the C's he looked good and very much improved. Other than that all I ever saw of him were Sportscenter clips. Considering that in his year he was here he probably didn't have any Sportscenter clips, that alone must say something.

[hwangjini_1]

i wish telfair luck. he is a talented pg, that is clear.

certainly not a star, but certainly good enough to be a pg in the nba.

maybe we will all be able to finally see whether it was doc, telfair's talent, or his age that was most important in his lack of success in boston.

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i wish telfair luck. he is a talented pg, that is clear.

certainly not a star, but certainly good enough to be a pg in the nba.

maybe we will all be able to finally see whether it was doc, telfair's talent, or his age that was most important in his lack of success in boston.

idk... even wally was an allstar once. telfair's still young.

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[CelticBalla32]

Party at my place! BigMatt and a few others are invited.

Bassy was one of the best point guards left on the market. Good to see him get a contract.

Not sure Minny is the best place for him. I was hoping Toronto would sign him to backup Calderon. Telfair is going to have to turn himself into a high level shooter and defender to earn that job long term in Minnesota. I'm thinking we'll see him get traded before his contract ends.

Well Toronto just brought over Roko Ukic, who they drafted in I believe 2005, and signed him to a 3-year deal.

But I do think Telfair is a good fit in Minnesota for the simple fact that he is their only pass-first point guard. I'll take that a step further... he's their only point guard period. I also think that Minnesota is looking to become more of an up-tempo team (which McHale eluded to in an interview, saying that Love's outlet passing will benefit that movement), and that's right up Bassy's alley.

I'm glad he's getting an opportunity, and I hope he continues to make the best of it.