With House&TA: all we need to add is Darius Miles,Birdman,and S.Marbury

[Steve Weinman]

Dear WalkerWiggle - If I'm right - The max amount of players is 15?  12 dress.  11+2 rooks = 13.  Plus a Birdman or Miles, plus Marbury = 15.  IF I'm right on the 15 max!!!  I did say Birdman or Miles.

Finally, SW, having been born and raised with the BOSTON and the CELTICS, I loathe the NY 'attitude', but, House is a classic New York Product through and through, but how can you not love the guy on that dive play?  Telfair was another classic NY Product, but I was willing to give him a shot.  Maybe you can't teach Marbury new tricks - but he's a step up from Sam Cassell, and I view it as him replacing that roster slot - though he might not be known for his D, he can definitely run an offense more effectively for a short period of time than S.Cassell - Cassell just gunned it up and didn't think twice - so we might just have Cassell 2.0 in 2008, but Doc seemed to be good at sitting Cassell as soon as he started just chucking up his own shots w/out looking for other options.

KGamble, I should have clarified -- I call Marbury a "Coney Island point guard" because of his association with his rather disreputable point guard rather than out of a problem with New Yorkers at large. Ironically enough, those on the board who have come to know me well at this point will likely be able to tell you that they've heard ad nauseam (I would imagine) that I am a born and raised New Yorker and quite proud of it.

My problem with Marbury isn't that he's from New York.  It's that he's a terrible defensive player, selfish offensive player, bad teammate, injury risk and upper-echelon distraction to his team.

But we can agree on one thing -- I sure do love that Eddie House 

-sw

[greenwise]

1. I don't think we need a PG anymore. We already have 3.

2. Miles intrigues me, but he is not really a clutch vet shooter or a defender.

3. Andersen could be a good option. He's athletic, although I see him more as a PF than a C. I would rather have Thomas because his defense is better, although he is undersized too. How about Mourning?

[JollyGreen17]

no thanks to marbury

[Morris Blue]

I'm only ok with getting Starbury if the C's only have to pay $19.95. 
Think about it, that's how much his shoe costs, and it's essentially a bunch of garbage with the Starbury logo on it. 
Now that Steph got the tattoo of the Starbury logo on his head, he's slightly more than a bunch of garbage with the Starbury logo on it.  He's a self-promoting bunch of garbage with the Starbury logo on it. 

 

I kind of want Starbury the more I think of it, but only under one circumstance- He gets a new giant shamrock over his starbury tattoo on his dome.  That would show that he wants to be a Celtic and IMO would boost his cred.

TP for that one.  maybe he can be our back-up hype man with the big, glow in the dark hands that walks on stilts.  Oh, wait, the stilts would probably be more expensive than a pair of Starburys and he wouldn't be able to wear them because of contractual obligations....forget it, there is no place for this dude on the Celtics.  Unless we need to get rid of some female front office personnel and interns...

[KGamblePreBigContract]

Dear SW,

I agree on House, and I don't mean to bash NY'rs, but...well yeah, I do mean to bash them

No, in all seriousness, there is a stereotypical NY'r, and a NY baller stereotype, House and Telfair both fit it perfectly as I've come to know it over the years, I honestly don't know enough about Marbury but assumed you were describing the same type of borough minded local star who carries with him usually a tab bit more hype than he'll ever live up to with actual skills when he competes against the rest of the world - but just because he comes out of a NY borough he has a certain 'following' and 'hype' which insures him a little bit more of a chance at success than if he came out of Indiana (I'm not sure if You'd agree with any of this generalizing on my part) - even when he doesn't deserve it.  It just seems some people live off their resume or rep, and being a NY'r baller gives a certain cred and hype to a player - often bigger than they deserve from their actual abilities and talent. 

Though thank you for clearly laying out why you don't like him.  Clearly you've watched him play and you thouroughly critiqued him in as few words as possible.

TP to you SW

[Who]

On Miles

"Two doctors said Darius had the worst microfracture injury they had ever seen," Pritchard said. "They would never have him play basketball and the odds of having knee replacement surgery is high. I hear that, and as a general manager, I didn't want it on my conscience -- that I had a kid have to go through a knee replacement surgery. That's a pretty major surgery. They saw (two bones) and replace (the knee). It's a bad deal."

[celticsfan8591]

So after we add Marbury (a selfish point guard who doesn't play D and a headcase), we get to choose between Miles (a guy who plays no D, can't shoot, is coming off a serious knee injury, and has a horrible attitude) and Andersen (who bailed on his own mom and just served a suspension for doing coke).  These guys would be great additions to a team full of unselfish, high-character guys.

[Steve Weinman]

Dear SW,

I agree on House, and I don't mean to bash NY'rs, but...well yeah, I do mean to bash them

No, in all seriousness, there is a stereotypical NY'r, and a NY baller stereotype, House and Telfair both fit it perfectly as I've come to know it over the years, I honestly don't know enough about Marbury but assumed you were describing the same type of borough minded local star who carries with him usually a tab bit more hype than he'll ever live up to with actual skills when he competes against the rest of the world - but just because he comes out of a NY borough he has a certain 'following' and 'hype' which insures him a little bit more of a chance at success than if he came out of Indiana (I'm not sure if You'd agree with any of this generalizing on my part) - even when he doesn't deserve it.  It just seems some people live off their resume or rep, and being a NY'r baller gives a certain cred and hype to a player - often bigger than they deserve from their actual abilities and talent. 

Though thank you for clearly laying out why you don't like him.  Clearly you've watched him play and you thouroughly critiqued him in as few words as possible.

TP to you SW

Thanks for the kind words KGamble, and the TP is reciprocated for the enjoyable discussion.

I don't dispute that like just about anything else in New York, the media circus here and general hubbub of the area likely boosts the reputations of many of the local players.  But I'm not entirely sure I'm ready to buy the level of generalization you're making (as you suspected). 

Plenty of evidence thus far would indicate that Telfair was vastly over-hyped, although it's worth remembering that by the time he got drafted, there were plenty of questions about him from experts around the league.  Regarding Marbury being "over-hyped," it bears note that we're talking about a guy who is only two poor seasons removed from having once been one of exactly two players in NBA history to average 20 points and 8 assists per game for his career.   The other?  Oscar Robertson.  Yes, he turned out to be a jerk of a teammate, an on and off-court distraction, a selfish player and a generally disastrous use of a roster spot, but the man's basketball talent is certainly there.  I'm not quite sure how "over-hyped he has been."  When he was playing well enough to be statistically productive, he might have gotten a bit more love than he should have.  When he stopped doing so, he became nearly universally despised.

Re: House, I'm a bit confused by how he fits into the discussion.  Marbury and Telfair are New Yorkers through and through who both went to Lincoln High in Coney Island (Brooklyn).  House was born in Berkley, Calif., and he went to high school at Hayward in Union City, Calif.  From there, he matriculated at Arizona State University, where he averaged 16.5 points per game in his four years, including 23 points per game in his senior year.  I'll also need to get this verified, but I believe he still holds the single-game scoring record at ASU with a 50-plus-point game.   Sounds like a West coast guy to me, and I'm not sure what the issue about his "hype" is.  He likes to shoot, and that's his niche in the NBA -- it was a pleasant surprise to see him make other contributions at times this year, and I've loved the guy since well before he set foot in the door thanks to some of the anecdotes about him in Jack McCallum's stunningly excellent "7 Seconds Or Less."


-sw

[ssspence]

Dear SW,

I agree on House, and I don't mean to bash NY'rs, but...well yeah, I do mean to bash them

No, in all seriousness, there is a stereotypical NY'r, and a NY baller stereotype, House and Telfair both fit it perfectly as I've come to know it over the years, I honestly don't know enough about Marbury but assumed you were describing the same type of borough minded local star who carries with him usually a tab bit more hype than he'll ever live up to with actual skills when he competes against the rest of the world - but just because he comes out of a NY borough he has a certain 'following' and 'hype' which insures him a little bit more of a chance at success than if he came out of Indiana (I'm not sure if You'd agree with any of this generalizing on my part) - even when he doesn't deserve it.  It just seems some people live off their resume or rep, and being a NY'r baller gives a certain cred and hype to a player - often bigger than they deserve from their actual abilities and talent. 

Though thank you for clearly laying out why you don't like him.  Clearly you've watched him play and you thouroughly critiqued him in as few words as possible.

TP to you SW

Thanks for the kind words KGamble, and the TP is reciprocated for the enjoyable discussion.

I don't dispute that like just about anything else in New York, the media circus here and general hubbub of the area likely boosts the reputations of many of the local players.  But I'm not entirely sure I'm ready to buy the level of generalization you're making (as you suspected). 

Plenty of evidence thus far would indicate that Telfair was vastly over-hyped, although it's worth remembering that by the time he got drafted, there were plenty of questions about him from experts around the league.  Regarding Marbury being "over-hyped," it bears note that we're talking about a guy who is only two poor seasons removed from having once been one of exactly two players in NBA history to average 20 points and 8 assists per game for his career.   The other?  Oscar Robertson.  Yes, he turned out to be a jerk of a teammate, an on and off-court distraction, a selfish player and a generally disastrous use of a roster spot, but the man's basketball talent is certainly there.  I'm not quite sure how "over-hyped he has been."  When he was playing well enough to be statistically productive, he might have gotten a bit more love than he should have.  When he stopped doing so, he became nearly universally despised.

Re: House, I'm a bit confused by how he fits into the discussion.  Marbury and Telfair are New Yorkers through and through who both went to Lincoln High in Coney Island (Brooklyn).  House was born in Berkley, Calif., and he went to high school at Hayward in Union City, Calif.  From there, he matriculated at Arizona State University, where he averaged 16.5 points per game in his four years, including 23 points per game in his senior year.  I'll also need to get this verified, but I believe he still holds the single-game scoring record at ASU with a 50-plus-point game.   Sounds like a West coast guy to me, and I'm not sure what the issue about his "hype" is.  He likes to shoot, and that's his niche in the NBA -- it was a pleasant surprise to see him make other contributions at times this year, and I've loved the guy since well before he set foot in the door thanks to some of the anecdotes about him in Jack McCallum's stunningly excellent "7 Seconds Or Less."


-sw

Believe you're right about House's big night, think he up 61 against Cal around 1999 or 2000.

[Steve Weinman]

Dear SW,

I agree on House, and I don't mean to bash NY'rs, but...well yeah, I do mean to bash them

No, in all seriousness, there is a stereotypical NY'r, and a NY baller stereotype, House and Telfair both fit it perfectly as I've come to know it over the years, I honestly don't know enough about Marbury but assumed you were describing the same type of borough minded local star who carries with him usually a tab bit more hype than he'll ever live up to with actual skills when he competes against the rest of the world - but just because he comes out of a NY borough he has a certain 'following' and 'hype' which insures him a little bit more of a chance at success than if he came out of Indiana (I'm not sure if You'd agree with any of this generalizing on my part) - even when he doesn't deserve it.  It just seems some people live off their resume or rep, and being a NY'r baller gives a certain cred and hype to a player - often bigger than they deserve from their actual abilities and talent. 

Though thank you for clearly laying out why you don't like him.  Clearly you've watched him play and you thouroughly critiqued him in as few words as possible.

TP to you SW

Thanks for the kind words KGamble, and the TP is reciprocated for the enjoyable discussion.

I don't dispute that like just about anything else in New York, the media circus here and general hubbub of the area likely boosts the reputations of many of the local players.  But I'm not entirely sure I'm ready to buy the level of generalization you're making (as you suspected). 

Plenty of evidence thus far would indicate that Telfair was vastly over-hyped, although it's worth remembering that by the time he got drafted, there were plenty of questions about him from experts around the league.  Regarding Marbury being "over-hyped," it bears note that we're talking about a guy who is only two poor seasons removed from having once been one of exactly two players in NBA history to average 20 points and 8 assists per game for his career.   The other?  Oscar Robertson.  Yes, he turned out to be a jerk of a teammate, an on and off-court distraction, a selfish player and a generally disastrous use of a roster spot, but the man's basketball talent is certainly there.  I'm not quite sure how "over-hyped he has been."  When he was playing well enough to be statistically productive, he might have gotten a bit more love than he should have.  When he stopped doing so, he became nearly universally despised.

Re: House, I'm a bit confused by how he fits into the discussion.  Marbury and Telfair are New Yorkers through and through who both went to Lincoln High in Coney Island (Brooklyn).  House was born in Berkley, Calif., and he went to high school at Hayward in Union City, Calif.  From there, he matriculated at Arizona State University, where he averaged 16.5 points per game in his four years, including 23 points per game in his senior year.  I'll also need to get this verified, but I believe he still holds the single-game scoring record at ASU with a 50-plus-point game.   Sounds like a West coast guy to me, and I'm not sure what the issue about his "hype" is.  He likes to shoot, and that's his niche in the NBA -- it was a pleasant surprise to see him make other contributions at times this year, and I've loved the guy since well before he set foot in the door thanks to some of the anecdotes about him in Jack McCallum's stunningly excellent "7 Seconds Or Less."


-sw

Believe you're right about House's big night, think he up 61 against Cal around 1999 or 2000.

You've got some TPs comin' your way ssspence; just checked it out and you nailed that one.  He went for 61 in double overtime on 1/8/00 at Cal, which it turns out also tied a Pac-10 record.  It's also pretty cool that - as I just learned as well - he was the first Pac-10 player to go for 40 points our times in a season.  Wow.

Good lookin' out, pence.

-sw

[swoonunit2]

I like the idea of signing Darius Miles.  With him, Tony Allen, our rookie Walker and Leon Powe we are one player away from trowing a lineup on the court who all have had serious knee injuries.

[jdub1660]

Its about time somebody else agrees about signing Darius Miles and Birdman...as for Marbury I can't see. He's yet to prove himself as a team player to the point where he could play backup. Last time he was told to be the backup, he went home and skipped practice and the game. Darius can play D by the way. He's got more than a few nasty block on youtube, and with team defense ran effectively, just about anyone can play better D than before. Birdman was known for his shot blocking ability and dunking before his coke binge, so they could be usefull to us. I'd rather see someone else fill in the 15th spot than Marbury...

Here's our 14 hoping the DA goes for Miles.

Rondo, House, Pruitt
RAllen, TAllen
Pierce, Giddens, Miles
KG, Powe, BBD, Walker...Scal(15th)but I say we trade him elsewhere to get minutes and hope for a 2nd round pick/$$
Perk, O'B,

After seeing this list on paper, It's hard to say what position we need to fill. We have enough PGs I think. Both Allens can play the point if necessary. The big situation is hard to figure though. Of the 6 guys, only 3 of them can really play C at best. Knock on wood, lets hope none of the big 3 get hurt this year, but thats the best way to figure where we need help. If Pierce went out, who would fill the void? - I'd say Giddens just so our vets can take over the bench and our starters can help lead him. If KG went out, BBD would likely start as we need Powe's aggressiveness off the bench. That would then leave us with O'B, Powe, and a more SF type PF rookie in Walker. If Ray Allen went out...Tony would start, but then our been would only have a rookie and House. Not good. Here as DA I would search for a combo SG/SF. Someone big enough to get rebounds, fast enough to run and play D, but an effective shooter if left open, as KG/Pierce would get most of the attention. Here's where a player like Barnes or Mo Evans comes in. I like Barnes more, but he deserves more minutes elsewhere. Evans can be used with limited minutes but still put up offense. Sign him  and trade Scal for anything. We can't use him and didn't need him anywhere in the season or playoffs(whether he was hurt or not)

[cordobes]

TPs for Steve and KGamblePreBigContract (great nick, btw, I used to love Kevin before his big contract and the decline in FTA and %FG) for an interesting and funny discussion.

jdub, I don't think Walker can play at PF. I agree that his game style in college could be described as a PF one rather than a swingman one, but he's only 6'6''. Are you thinking Sir Charles or LJ redux?

I have many doubts about signing Miles (see who's post above, for one of the reasons), but I kind of remember him as a decent defender. Not great, but clearly above average. It was probably the part of his game I appreciated more. Am I wrong here? I may very well be, it's only an impression.

[vjcsmoke]

First of all, Marbury has a team already. Plus we have 2 definite PG and 2 combo guards. And the Knicks won't giveaway Marbury for FREE!
Second, you guys act like BirdMan is the "Chosen One" and he's not. What about if he relapses? Too Risky!
Third with Miles, can we risk a roster spot for a guy with two bad knees, and a guy who's a problem child. No Sir!

i'm intrigued, who is our definte backup PG?

I hope he doesn't mean Pruitt...

[xmuscularghandix]

to starbury, a million times no.

couldn't agree more.