Celtics Depth Chart: Fill In the Gaping Holes

[CoachBo]

A few things:

1) We don't need to use the MLE to sign Tony Allen, as we have his Bird rights.  He is not a RFA, meaning we don't have the right to match, but he hasn't been renounced, either.  We can sign him to any contract we want.

2) If we sign Eddie House to $1.8 million or less, we can use our "non-Bird" rights to him, and not have to use the MLE or LLE.

3) We may have used the LLE on Patrick O'Bryant.  There are conflicting reports.

4) Minnesota isn't going to trade Pekovic for a couple of second round picks.

5) To sign-and-trade for Gomes, salaries would have to roughly match.

6) We can't really send Walker to Europe unless he agrees.  In order to retain his rights, we need to tender him a contract at the rookie minimum.  If he wanted to take it and play here, there's nothing we could do about it (other than renounce him).

We could, however, sign Tony and House, and then sign Gomes to a full MLE deal.  We could always send them a draft pick if they agreed not to match.  That leaves us with the same team you're proposing, minus Pekovic, and with Pruitt instead of Sam.

The LLE's been used on O'Blount?

Oh, brother.

 

[bucknersrevenge]

Swings:

JR Smith
Matt Barnes
Bonzi Wells
Maurice Evans
Darius Miles

Bigs:

Chris Andersen
Ryan Gomes (More of a three now, but played a lot of four for us.)
Bostjan Nachbar (We could use a shooter at power forward, I think.)

Point guard:

Carlos Arroyo
Stephon Marybury (When the buyout comes)
resigning EHouse?

I'd be ok with any option listed above, I think. JR Smith would actually be a huge steal. Kid can score and while he might be a "headcase" who "doesn't" play defense but he's still young and extremely talented. Considering Denver just traded Camby for nothing to save money, I don't know if they'd match an MLE offer.

my guess is the 1st wing and pg to take a vet minimum deal gets it. my guess is miles and damon stoudamire. i think dannys shopping at filenes basement this year for players. hes got enough youth invested at pg and wing, why would he want anyone for a) more than 1 year b) more than the minimum amount considering their financial status?

[arctic 3.0]

gomes is a nice complimentary player but i don't see him filling the defensive hole left with posey's departure.

whats up with Bostjan Nachbar?

he is long and athletic, seems to be a good perimeter shooter, but i have n idea about his D. could he cover some of the bigger 3's (labron)?

[Beat LA]

I think that Bill Walker could really help us out next year.  Having said that, Adrian Griffin could be brought in to a defensive stopper with experience - plus, he has an expiring contract.

I would also like to throw out the names of eight players who might be able to contribute, two of which, however, I am 99% percent sure will not be on our roster:

1.  Jamaal Magloire:  former allstar center who is an excellent post defender and plays with his back to the basket.  Only 30 years old, I would much rather have him instead of Perkins as my starting center.  Would allow Boston to play 5 on 5 on the offensive end of the court, instead of going with Kendrick "offensively-challenged" Perkins, who has only a jump hook that barely hits the front end of the rim in his "offensive arsenal" and who constantly brings the ball down and gets stripped too often when attempting putbacks and other shots.

The whole retired-players thing reminded me of the next two players:

2.  Allan Houston: probably not, but lets not forget that both he and Reggie Miller both attempted comebacks during last summer with the latter receiving a phone call from Danny in Ainge's attempt to add an accomplished sharp-shooter to our bench, giving us more firepower in our second unit.  According to the Detroit Free Press, in regards to the Phoenix Suns looking to add a shooter off their bench: "Retired guard Allan Houston still is a possibility. He has been at US Airways Center recently to work out with Suns athletic trainers he met through [Grant] Hill."  The Arizona Republic also says: "Allan Houston will play in the Suns' September voluntary games to see where his comeback try stands."

3.  Scottie Pippen: this one is really out there, but he still has a strong desire to win his 7th championship.  Played in Sweden on January 11, 2008.  Not sure about his competition, but in 30 minutes of playing time he scored 21 points, grabbed 12 rebounds, had 6 assists and 2 steals.  43 years old - not sure if he could defend for a few minutes ala Lindesy Hunter. 

Link:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1735877090700231312&q=scottie+pippen+comeback&ei=voWDSO_UN4qMrQLw4fhu&hl=en

4.  Speaking of Linsey Hunter, why not?  He could probably had for the veteran's minimum.

5.  Sam Cassell: I was hot and cold on him during his tenure - just like his jumper was in the postseason.  Having said that, if House is not resigned and Marbury does not become available, he must be signed at a one year deal.  With a full training camp under his belt, Sam will undoubtedbly be better in his role next season.

6.  While we're at it, why not give Theo Ratliff, Scot Pollard and Kurt Thomas a look?

[silvershamrocker]

I would sign Arroyo and Barnes. (MLE)

Rondo/Arroyo/Pruitt
Allen/Barnes/Giddens
Pierce/Walker/Scal
Garnett/Powe/Davis
Perk/O'Bryant

[kozlodoev]

1.  Jamaal Magloire:  former allstar center who is an excellent post defender and plays with his back to the basket.  Only 30 years old, I would much rather have him instead of Perkins as my starting center.  Would allow Boston to play 5 on 5 on the offensive end of the court, instead of going with Kendrick "offensively-challenged" Perkins, who has only a jump hook that barely hits the front end of the rim in his "offensive arsenal" and who constantly brings the ball down and gets stripped too often when attempting putbacks and other shots.

Wally is also a "former all-star" and I doubt that anyone will argue that we should bring him in.

As for Magloire, you might want to check when he was last relevant in any team's rotation. Kendrick "offensively-challenged" Perkins is twice the player Magloire is right now, on both ends of the floor. 

[ManUp]

1.  Jamaal Magloire:  former allstar center who is an excellent post defender and plays with his back to the basket.  Only 30 years old, I would much rather have him instead of Perkins as my starting center.  Would allow Boston to play 5 on 5 on the offensive end of the court, instead of going with Kendrick "offensively-challenged" Perkins, who has only a jump hook that barely hits the front end of the rim in his "offensive arsenal" and who constantly brings the ball down and gets stripped too often when attempting putbacks and other shots.

Wally is also a "former all-star" and I doubt that anyone will argue that we should bring him in.

As for Magloire, you might want to check when he was last relevant in any team's rotation. Kendrick "offensively-challenged" Perkins is twice the player Magloire is right now, on both ends of the floor. 

Yup, Magloire is washed up.

[RockinRyA]

watda.. magloire over perk? nada.. houston was good, but now hes washed up. and those other guys.. dude theyre retired

about damon stoudamire, id rather have sam back than him

[zerophase]

I think that Bill Walker could really help us out next year.  Having said that, Adrian Griffin could be brought in to a defensive stopper with experience - plus, he has an expiring contract.

I would also like to throw out the names of eight players who might be able to contribute, two of which, however, I am 99% percent sure will not be on our roster:

1.  Jamaal Magloire:  former allstar center who is an excellent post defender and plays with his back to the basket.  Only 30 years old, I would much rather have him instead of Perkins as my starting center.  Would allow Boston to play 5 on 5 on the offensive end of the court, instead of going with Kendrick "offensively-challenged" Perkins, who has only a jump hook that barely hits the front end of the rim in his "offensive arsenal" and who constantly brings the ball down and gets stripped too often when attempting putbacks and other shots.

The whole retired-players thing reminded me of the next two players:

2.  Allan Houston: probably not, but lets not forget that both he and Reggie Miller both attempted comebacks during last summer with the latter receiving a phone call from Danny in Ainge's attempt to add an accomplished sharp-shooter to our bench, giving us more firepower in our second unit.  According to the Detroit Free Press, in regards to the Phoenix Suns looking to add a shooter off their bench: "Retired guard Allan Houston still is a possibility. He has been at US Airways Center recently to work out with Suns athletic trainers he met through [Grant] Hill."  The Arizona Republic also says: "Allan Houston will play in the Suns' September voluntary games to see where his comeback try stands."

3.  Scottie Pippen: this one is really out there, but he still has a strong desire to win his 7th championship.  Played in Sweden on January 11, 2008.  Not sure about his competition, but in 30 minutes of playing time he scored 21 points, grabbed 12 rebounds, had 6 assists and 2 steals.  43 years old - not sure if he could defend for a few minutes ala Lindesy Hunter. 

Link:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1735877090700231312&q=scottie+pippen+comeback&ei=voWDSO_UN4qMrQLw4fhu&hl=en

4.  Speaking of Linsey Hunter, why not?  He could probably had for the veteran's minimum.

5.  Sam Cassell: I was hot and cold on him during his tenure - just like his jumper was in the postseason.  Having said that, if House is not resigned and Marbury does not become available, he must be signed at a one year deal.  With a full training camp under his belt, Sam will undoubtedbly be better in his role next season.

6.  While we're at it, why not give Theo Ratliff, Scot Pollard and Kurt Thomas a look?

43 years old is really, really pushing the age limit. he wouldn't make it through the season and i don't think he would make it through a 28 game playoffs either. i mean, does this guy have any speed left?

i am interest in kurt thomas. that wouldn't be a bad pickup if san let him go. i'm not that down on cassell either, even if he doesn't play well. he's actually a decent motivator and coach.

i'm not even considering allan houston. his days in the nba are over.

[pearljammer10]

We give Miles a chance with the Vet min...Bonzi Wells and House split the MLE...Tony Allen gets the lle.

Rondo
Allen
Pierce
KG
Perk

Bench
6th:Wells SG
7th: House PG
8th: Miles SF
9th: Powe
10th: O bryant
11th: Davis
12th: TA quick defensive substitutions

Reserves:
Walker
Giddens
Scal

[Jon]

We give Miles a chance with the Vet min...Bonzi Wells and House split the MLE...Tony Allen gets the lle.

Rondo
Allen
Pierce
KG
Perk

Bench
6th:Wells SG
7th: House PG
8th: Miles SF
9th: Powe
10th: O bryant
11th: Davis
12th: TA quick defensive substitutions

Reserves:
Walker
Giddens
Scal

That's too many players.  You didn't account for Pruitt.  So either you'd have to cut him and eat his salary or find a way to convince Walker to go to Europe (which is much more unlikely and difficult than most people think).

I don't mind your suggestions though.  I'd be OK with moves.  If Tony Allen is only supposed to be used for "quick defensive substitutions," Giddens could probably fill those shoes. 

[Beat LA]

I don't know how anyone could possibly say that Perk is better than Magloire.  I mentioned that Magloire was an allstar just to make the point that at least he was at that level, which Perk will never ascend to [I am quite aware that a player should never be acquired just becasue he is/was an allstar].  I am so sick and tired of Kendrick's stupid fouls and his inability to score.  For at least part of last season, I seem to recall many people calling for an inside presence.  Now I'm not saying that Magloire is the best big man on the planet, but he is a tough post defender WHO PLAYS INSIDE!  Who doesn't want a center who plays with his back to the basket?  With Magloire we get experience, rebounding, a good post defender, and a player who can go right at the Howards, Shaqs, Yaos, Bynums, and Big Zs, so that we can get them in foul trouble.  That's all I'm saying guys.

By the way, just because he has been a backup for the last 3 years does not mean he is washed up.

[fairweatherfan06]

I'm not being sarcastic when I ask this question. I'm really curious.  Maybe people think Maagliore is washed up because Dallas signed him late last year and he couldn't get off the bench in the playoffs on a team that was lacking size in the middle? 

[kozlodoev]

I don't know how anyone could possibly say that Perk is better than Magloire.

Very easy: we watched Perk, then we watched Magloire, and then used simple logic. It's not that hard, really.

And no, the fact that Magloire is a backup doesn't mean that he's washed up. There are other facts that do, like playing in 30 games last season and failing to average 2 points per game.

As a matter of fact, the last time he was good enough to earn significant minutes, he was decidedly average, too. The moral of the story is: Magloire is not better than Perkins, and he will not start or even play meaningful minutes on this Celtics team.
 

[kozlodoev]

I'm not being sarcastic when I ask this question. I'm really curious.  Maybe people think Maagliore is washed up because Dallas signed him late last year and he couldn't get off the bench in the playoffs on a team that was lacking size in the middle? 

A list of the players Magloire has failed to beat for a starting spot and/or meaningful minutes over the last 2 seasons: Joel Przybilla, Nenad Krstic, Josh Boone, Erick Dampier, and Brandon Bass. I wonder why people think he's washed up...