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Re: Celtics Depth Chart: Fill In the Gaping Holes
« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2008, 08:02:19 PM »

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Pick up D-West, and Kurt Thomas.

Resign Tony Allen to be the lock down defender.

There isn't a free agent SF that I want so I'd just leave the spot to Scal if there to big for Tony.

RR/ RA/ PP/ KG/ KP
DW/ TA/ BS/ LP/ KT
GP/ JG/ BW/ GD/ PO

I'd fell ok with that line up.

Re: Celtics Depth Chart: Fill In the Gaping Holes
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2008, 08:37:48 PM »

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Pick up D-West, and Kurt Thomas.

Resign Tony Allen to be the lock down defender.

There isn't a free agent SF that I want so I'd just leave the spot to Scal if there to big for Tony.

RR/ RA/ PP/ KG/ KP
DW/ TA/ BS/ LP/ KT
GP/ JG/ BW/ GD/ PO

I'd fell ok with that line up.

At this point, that'd probably be as close to my ideal as possible.  If we were going totally ideals, I might take Michael Finley over Tony Allen for a little more veteran presence.  However, if the C's could somehow net West and Thomas, they'd be in great shape for next year and could potentially even rely on Giddens to get some minuets at the 3. 

Re: Celtics Depth Chart: Fill In the Gaping Holes
« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2008, 09:56:08 PM »

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   I want everyone to know that positions filled by nomenclatures such as sf or sg are not covering situational needs. Match ups will dictate our needs. We know that Eddie House could not defend Stucky or an unhealthy Billups(remember he was injured) he also had problems breaking any press.  I wondered by Allen did not bring the ball up. It was their matchups...Hamilton could not play D covered PP early. Allen had Prince. They had to switch and Allen came around late in the series and PP was not bothered as much by Prince. Garnett did not play inside, which allowed are bench to profit from cheating defenders.

   The same thing will happen next year. Will we have intelligent defenders to slow Detroits guard orientated O. How bout Cleveland. We gave Delonte oppurtunities to score because well, hes Delonte. Havingg taller atheletic wings to defend will help. TA sad to say does not have the BB IQ to warrant more playing. He can score and defend but he does not think. Posey's IQ was so apparent and so was PJ's and Cassels. Teach these kids what a soft foul is, teach them that fouling to slow down momentum and the game is part of maturing. Nothing wrong with the"im going to grab your arm to prevent an easy bucket when your team is not over the limit".


   The holes In the C's game were:
                                 1. A scorer or 2nd option for green team, A player that can create his own shot, without becoming a liability on the floor. Things definitly slowed while 2 of the 3 were out. Not a one demensional 1/1 as/to rate or a defensive liability included. House played team D well, but he could not cover guards that were taller that could create their own shot.  He certainly cannot create his own. Finley, and what an awesome teacher for Giddens. Rush would be next on my list.

                                   2. We needed a Tall long big man. PJ fit the bill but his age did show. he had trouble with legit Centers. His experience helped. OB is the solution. He's big tall, mobile and had 6 fouls to give. Ten to fifteen is all we need. Void filled


                                    3.A floor leader, when Rondo is out. This can be filled by a wing. I don't like the ball in PP or R Allens hands. They both move so well without the ball in their hands, that the O is almost stagnant when they are called on to make those decisions. This is not to say anything negative about them in anyway. On D, its easier to watch scorers when the ball is in their hands versus trying to cover screens awy from the ball ect...JR Giddens could be this guy. I looked at D West att ST. Joes and noticed the same/similar numbers as Gidz. Low turnover, high assist, high fg and ft% yet neither were point guards. Hes much better on D to boot. Btw Marbury was no slouch in Phoenix. Hes definitly a shoot first guy, but he has no issue passing the ball. If he could realize the potential of a successful stint in Boston could do for his career.   Sam I am would fit the bill if he and Doc are cool.                                         

                        4. Atletic high energy forward that can attack the basket grab boards and defend. This does position does not need to be a 3point or mid range threat as Posey was. He needs to be able to play 3 and 4's on D. Attacking the O boards will keep his defender busy. Walker could be this guy. He's a high flyer but, he never stood out as a Maxiell type. I would rather a 6' 8" plus guy but mobility and the ability to cover the James and Bryants are vital. Finley while not as athletic as he used to be could allow the youngsters in.

Who could fill the rest of our roster
« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2008, 05:35:28 PM »

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Lets look at something very realistic here. First Ray Allen won't be traded, he was a big part of this team and I highly doubt the team wants to break up the big three. Scal won't be traded or at least for anything of value again, no one wants him. Unless of course we get lucky and some team in Greece or Europe decide they need a redhead off the bench. So lets assess what we have

PG Rondo/Gabe Pruitt
SG Ray Allen/JR.Giddings
SF Paul Pierce/Bill Walker/Scal
PF Kevin Garnett/Leon Powe/BBD
C Kendrick Perkins/Patrick O Bryant

RFA SG Tony Allen
UFA PG Sam Cassell, PG/SG Eddie House, F P.J. Brown

Currently the team used the LLE(POB), Bi Annual (1.8 mil) and Mid Level (5.6 mil) exceptions to play around with. But with luxury taxes and what not lets be honest about what Danny can possibly do.

Send Bill Walker's rights to Europe for a year and let him play against top competition

Sign Eddie House 1 year 1.8 mil option for the 2nd year using the Bi Annual exception as his agent has noted, house is looking for more. However in this market its doubtful that he will receive it. Ultimately hes going to have offers from non contenders maybe slightly higher but will opt to stay on a team he had great success on.

Sign Tony Allen 1 year 2.5 million using part of the mid level. Tony was rehabbing alot of the year and this gives him a very solid chance to redeem himself and possibly take over the 6th man mantle that was held by Posey last year. 

Now at this point the Bi Annual is used up and the team has 3.9 million left on the Mid Level. Also doesn't have the LLE left to spend. So far this gives us a lineup of

PG: Rondo/Pruitt/House
SG: R.Allen/T.Allen/JR Giddings
SF: Pierce/Walker/Scal
PF: Garnett/Powe/BBD
C : Perk/O'Bryant

14 players under contract, however the team will probably send Walker over to Europe (great move) so this leaves two spots on the roster. They need a defender and at the same time, could use another swing man. So this leads to...

Timberwolves trade rights to F Ryan Gomes and F/C Nikola Pekovic to the Celts for Gabe Pruitt and 2 future 2nd round picks. Obviously the team needs to get Gomes signed which would eat up the rest of the 3.9 million.

Final move Celts sign Sam Cassell using the Veteran Minimum so it leaves us with a roster of

PG Rondo/House/Cassell
SG Allen/T.Allen/Giddings
SF Pierce/Gomes/Scal/Walker(Europe)
PF Garnett/Powe/BBD
C  Perk/O'Bryant/Pekovic(Europe)

Send two players over to the Euro league which gives use enough flexibility to grab someone at the deadline.

What does everyone think?

Re: Who could fill the rest of our roster
« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2008, 05:45:42 PM »

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A few things:

1) We don't need to use the MLE to sign Tony Allen, as we have his Bird rights.  He is not a RFA, meaning we don't have the right to match, but he hasn't been renounced, either.  We can sign him to any contract we want.

2) If we sign Eddie House to $1.8 million or less, we can use our "non-Bird" rights to him, and not have to use the MLE or LLE.

3) We may have used the LLE on Patrick O'Bryant.  There are conflicting reports.

4) Minnesota isn't going to trade Pekovic for a couple of second round picks.

5) To sign-and-trade for Gomes, salaries would have to roughly match.

6) We can't really send Walker to Europe unless he agrees.  In order to retain his rights, we need to tender him a contract at the rookie minimum.  If he wanted to take it and play here, there's nothing we could do about it (other than renounce him).

We could, however, sign Tony and House, and then sign Gomes to a full MLE deal.  We could always send them a draft pick if they agreed not to match.  That leaves us with the same team you're proposing, minus Pekovic, and with Pruitt instead of Sam.

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Re: Who could fill the rest of our roster
« Reply #50 on: July 19, 2008, 07:00:18 PM »

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We could, however, sign Tony and House, and then sign Gomes to a full MLE deal.  We could always send them a draft pick if they agreed not to match.  That leaves us with the same team you're proposing, minus Pekovic, and with Pruitt instead of Sam.

i like that idea actually. its realistic for one, and i'm sure gomes would accept the offer, as would house and allen. i would really love to bring back former celtics such as west or gomes. i remember west playing like an allstar, shooting lights out when we met him in seattle and him playing quite well for clev back at home.

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Re: Who could fill the rest of our roster
« Reply #51 on: July 19, 2008, 07:21:46 PM »

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6) We can't really send Walker to Europe unless he agrees.  In order to retain his rights, we need to tender him a contract at the rookie minimum.  If he wanted to take it and play here, there's nothing we could do about it (other than renounce him).

But until when can we offer him that contract? We have till the end of season, right?

Re: Who could fill the rest of our roster
« Reply #52 on: July 19, 2008, 07:30:53 PM »

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I think I did read somewhere that Walker is willing to go to Europe if they want him to.  However, I don't think they want to let him out of their sight.  This is a top flight talent whose biggest issue is being able to stay healthy.  They likely want to have him spending all of his time in the presence of the Celtics trainers.  He needs to be building up his strength, and learning how to stay healthy...they don't want to leave that to some European team, that they have no juristiction over, and may have subpar (compared to the NBA) facilities.

Re: Who could fill the rest of our roster
« Reply #53 on: July 19, 2008, 07:38:55 PM »

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If they only go with one of Giddens or Walker - I'd guess it's Walker. I have a feeling they'll bring in more help at the guard spot, meaning Walker (who I feel is the better option at SF between the two) is more valuable, plus they can put him on the budget second round plan.

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« Reply #54 on: July 19, 2008, 08:33:26 PM »

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At this point, House seems like a no brainer.  Allen?  IMO, there are better players out there.

Childress makes a ton of sense.  A rangy, young wing who could get 25 to 30 minutes a game. He's not as good a defender as Posey, but he is a more efficient offensive player.  At 24, he has some upside.

Not sure I want Gomes at the MLE.  I might go a little below to free up room to sign Bill Walker. 

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« Reply #55 on: July 19, 2008, 08:47:05 PM »

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If they only go with one of Giddens or Walker - I'd guess it's Walker. I have a feeling they'll bring in more help at the guard spot, meaning Walker (who I feel is the better option at SF between the two) is more valuable, plus they can put him on the budget second round plan.


Giddens is a first rounder so he gets a guaranteed deal.

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« Reply #56 on: July 19, 2008, 11:51:37 PM »

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6) We can't really send Walker to Europe unless he agrees.  In order to retain his rights, we need to tender him a contract at the rookie minimum.  If he wanted to take it and play here, there's nothing we could do about it (other than renounce him).

But until when can we offer him that contract? We have till the end of season, right?

Nope.  By September 6, or he becomes a free agent.

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Re: Who could fill the rest of our roster
« Reply #57 on: July 20, 2008, 01:13:59 AM »

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Pruitt hasn't earned trade value yet. and Yes, Nobody wants Scal bad enough to trade for him. I would rather see House get part of the MLE, the biannual go to Allen, Send walker to europe or at least the NBDL, and then sign DMiles for LLE with injury clause as he's asked for, and the other half of MLE to Finley, Barnes, or Mo Evans. If possible or leftover sign the Birdman just for size, defense, and energy reasons.
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Re: Who could fill the rest of our roster
« Reply #58 on: July 20, 2008, 02:38:16 AM »

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Swings:

JR Smith
Matt Barnes
Bonzi Wells
Maurice Evans
Darius Miles

Bigs:

Chris Andersen
Ryan Gomes (More of a three now, but played a lot of four for us.)
Bostjan Nachbar (We could use a shooter at power forward, I think.)

Point guard:

Carlos Arroyo
Stephon Marybury (When the buyout comes)
resigning EHouse?

I'd be ok with any option listed above, I think. JR Smith would actually be a huge steal. Kid can score and while he might be a "headcase" who "doesn't" play defense but he's still young and extremely talented. Considering Denver just traded Camby for nothing to save money, I don't know if they'd match an MLE offer.

Re: Who could fill the rest of our roster
« Reply #59 on: July 20, 2008, 08:51:45 AM »

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ZO & Marbury thats what I think anyway.