josh childress

[paintitgreen]

With no team forcing Atlanta to pay big money to Smith (I still don't understand why the Warriors don't go after him, or why the Clippers would prefer Camby to taking a stab at Smith, who's much younger and more athletic, doesn't have injury issues, blocks as many shots, and doesn't play the same position as another young Clipper, Kaman), it's very possible Smith only takes a one year qualifying offer from Atlanta for this season. The risk is huge for Atlanta, then, that Smith becomes an unrestricted free agent next year and bolts for whomever will pay him. In that case, they may want to hold on to Childress at the MLE since there will be more playing time.

But I'm still not so sure. I really think the MLE for 5 years may be enough - the Hawks' ownership is a mess, they don't want to take on long term deals and they may not see any reason to pay the full MLE for Childress to be the Sixth Man on a very mediocre team. In that case, we could get him, since it is worth the full MLE to get a bona fide Sixth Man on a championship contender, especially a Sixth Man who's in his early to mid 20s, not early 30s.

[Steve Weinman]

I make a play for Childress. 

His numbers were not "garbage" numbers by any stretch seeing that he played almost 30 minutes per game. 

Maybe some type of a sign and trade deal, Scal and a second.

I'm not saying that Scal is worth anything, might provide some vet leadership on a very young team though.

OK, i need to explain. He isn't a garbage stat man in the sense of putting up numbers in garbage time.

He doesn't get plays run for him. He doesn't create offense 1 on 1 with any consistency, nor shoot jumpers with any consistency. He scores mostly on lay ups, dunks, put backs, dump offs from team mates.

Thats what I meant by garbage offense. Sorry about any confusion.

This is a plus in my book with regard to Childress.  While the bench is in need of more offensive punch in its own right, I don't necessarily need a team of guys who demand the ball.  That Childress can get his points without being 'featured' is a nice bonus to the fact that he is good on the glass (excellent offensive rebounder) and a versatile defender.

If he is attainable, I'm all for it -- but as several have referenced, prying him away from Atlanta could be difficult with just the MLE at our disposal.

-sw

Agreed. He'd be a great 7th or 8th man. The C's just don't have that luxury. They need to  fill out a suddenly very inexperienced bench with 2 more wiley skilled vets using the MLE if needed.

But the question becomes, who are those two cagey vets?  I hear what you're saying, Oct., but if the right options aren't there (what is Kurt Thomas' story at this point?), then I think Childress is the move to make.

Or we could just offer 900 second rounders and cash considerations for Smith and Childress via sign and trade (and hope they're ready to take cuts to play for winners) 

-sw

[serpico]

I think that is a good option to consider.

[Mr October]

I hear what you're saying, Oct., but if the right options aren't there (what is Kurt Thomas' story at this point?), then I think Childress is the move to make.

guys that could be excellent pickups for 2-3 million per year:

Q. Ross
M. Evans
K. Dooling
C. Arroyo
B. Wells
R. Horry (more like the minimum)
J. Pargo
E. House (I still think $3.7/2 is worth it)

Ross is my guy - Bruce Bowen (with a jump shot, without the cheap shots).

[Mr October]

Now if a combination on that list aren't available, I'm all for throwing the MLE (out to 5 years) at Childress and see if it sticks. 

I really like Childress. But I want to see what combo can be had at $2 or 3 per first.

[MLG5]

as for the hawks signing childress, IF they sign josh smith they will NOT be signing childress. everyone in the league has said this. the hawks obviously could sign smith to a massive contract and still match any offer for childress but doing so would put them over the luxury tax. and that ownership group does not want to be in the luxury tax area.


i by no means don't agree the c's need a few "cagey" vets. i'm all for it. but there aren't many attractive options for "cagey" vets who deserve the MLE. moreover, there aren't many guys who can fill-in for posey (and no i do not mean childress can come right in and pickup where posey left off - no free agent could there are too many intangibles). but realistically speaking, childress is the next best option. unlike b. gordon and l. deng, childress does not need many touchs, he finds his spots. even more, his defense and energy is where his game is best.  and he is by no means a 7th or 8th player off the bench. he's a quality, quality 6th man.

as for a contract chidress would be looking for, i'm not really sure what to think as there haven't been many free agent signings to compare.  but people around the league have said he is expected to get the MLE for the simple fact that there aren't many teams that have the financial capabilities to give him more. that being said, i don't think he will take a long-term MLE - i wouldn't be surprised if he takes 2 years (maybe 3) and then try to hit the free agent market in a few years when teams have more cap room.

[guava_wrench]

Childress at the MLE isn't what Boston needs. I'd rather see them split it among more polished vets. Childress is a garbage man, a very good garbage man. In the very least I'd rather get a defensive wing that can shoot, like Evans or Ross.

Is that an honest assesment? Really? Childress stiffled Pierce in the Atlanta series, shot .367 from behind the arc and .571 from the field last season, and had a 17.84 PER.

Judging a player based on a single post season series is not a good way to make roster moves.

Jerome James.

[Steve Weinman]

I hear what you're saying, Oct., but if the right options aren't there (what is Kurt Thomas' story at this point?), then I think Childress is the move to make.

guys that could be excellent pickups for 2-3 million per year:

Q. Ross
M. Evans
K. Dooling
C. Arroyo
B. Wells
R. Horry (more like the minimum)
J. Pargo
E. House (I still think $3.7/2 is worth it)

Ross is my guy - Bruce Bowen (with a jump shot, without the cheap shots).

I love Q-Ross defensively, although that comes with the caveat that there definitely needs to be another signing along with that, because he really provides little on the other end, and our bench is certainly going to need some punch.  To that end, Pargo is a very nice gunner type.  Really liked what he did in N'Awlins this year.

I've been a huge Horry fan forever, but as I wrote some time ago, I fear that the end is a bit too near this time around for him.  That said, if we ended up with him, I'd love rooting for the guy.  Just not sure he's a problem solver at this point.

Ross, Pargo, Thomas all interest me.

That said, I still have no problems making a run at Childress.

Who is your optimal combo of your suggestions?  And again, yep, with you all the way on Ross.  Love watching him when I get the chance.

-sw

[Mr October]

and he is by no means a 7th or 8th player off the bench. he's a quality, quality 6th man.

I don't think he is mature enough to be a 6th man yet, someone who can step in if Pierce, Allen or KG go down with an injury. But, you never know. Surrounded by a disciplined teammates.... sure.... he could evolve within a few months.

I just don't want to see a bench of him, a bunch of kids and Scal. We need a bit more experience on the bench.

[MLG5]

anyone remember when greg dickerso from comcast was doing the c's pre-game vs. new orleans and described pargo as essentialy a "nobody" who wouldn't be a factor at all in the game. then pargo goes off for 30+ if i remember correctly?

but aside from that, where do we see pargo stepping in? he's more of a PG than SG correct? and what kinda contract would he be looking for?

signing him would be a nice little jab back at "n'awlins" but clearly he doesn't fill posey's void...

[Steve Weinman]

On second thought, while I still think he has some ability...I apparently didn't remember how putrid Pargo's percentages were this season...under 40 from the field, under 35 from deep...true shooting below 50....not exactly of model of efficaciousness...

-sw

[Mr October]

I hear what you're saying, Oct., but if the right options aren't there (what is Kurt Thomas' story at this point?), then I think Childress is the move to make.

guys that could be excellent pickups for 2-3 million per year:

Q. Ross
M. Evans
K. Dooling
C. Arroyo
B. Wells
R. Horry (more like the minimum)
J. Pargo
E. House (I still think $3.7/2 is worth it)

Ross is my guy - Bruce Bowen (with a jump shot, without the cheap shots).

I love Q-Ross defensively, although that comes with the caveat that there definitely needs to be another signing along with that, because he really provides little on the other end, and our bench is certainly going to need some punch.  To that end, Pargo is a very nice gunner type.  Really liked what he did in N'Awlins this year.

I've been a huge Horry fan forever, but as I wrote some time ago, I fear that the end is a bit too near this time around for him.  That said, if we ended up with him, I'd love rooting for the guy.  Just not sure he's a problem solver at this point.

Ross, Pargo, Thomas all interest me.

That said, I still have no problems making a run at Childress.

Who is your optimal combo of your suggestions?  And again, yep, with you all the way on Ross.  Love watching him when I get the chance.

-sw

I'd like to see the C's really put the pedal to the metal on defense with the bench. The C's had an excellent team defense, with individual studs: KG, Rondo, Posey leading the way. If you can't get that, than at least get a guy with another definite skill like 3 point shooting.

What if the Celtics could bring in say:
Dooling at $6/2 - fall back: Arroyo, House, Pargo, Lue, JWilliams, Cassell
Ross at $3/2 - fall back: Evans, Wells, Finley, TA, roll with Giddens
icing on the cake:
Thomas at $3/2 - fallback: Barnes, Ratliff, Horry, wait for a buyout, etc.

To be honest the talk of the C's only wanting to spend the minimum at the back up PG is discouraging. This is such an important role.

i think the team is done at the 4/5 until a surprise falls through the cracks for (nearly) free.

[Mr October]

anyone remember when greg dickerso from comcast was doing the c's pre-game vs. new orleans and described pargo as essentialy a "nobody" who wouldn't be a factor at all in the game. then pargo goes off for 30+ if i remember correctly?

but aside from that, where do we see pargo stepping in? he's more of a PG than SG correct? and what kinda contract would he be looking for?

signing him would be a nice little jab back at "n'awlins" but clearly he doesn't fill posey's void...

Pargo is in the Eddie House, Tony Delk mold. Undersized 2, instant offense as a backup PG. I doubt the C's would offer more than the minimum for him. Might as well keep House if they are willing to go higher.

[jdub1660]

I wish I could stop seeing posts about signing josh childress. he is not that good, and should not end up in boston. we need a better shooter and defender, not another waste in pay roll. go for matt barnes  and some others. but not "j-chill"

[Cman]

I wish the LA Clippers had tried to sign Josh Smith to a huge deal, that Atlanta then matched -- would have made it all the easier to nab Childress....

I wouldn't be averse to offering Childress the full MLE.  If Atlanta matches fine.  If not, then Cs get Childress on the cheap -- a young (25) relatively experienced player (somewhere between a rookie and wily vet) who can provide offense and defense off the bench and play the 2,3 (maybe 4 if Doc goes small ball).  

How would Cs fill out the rest of the roster?  
(1) 2 year deal for House (non-Bird; $3.7M)
(2) Tony Allen (min), or just leave the spot open for now.
(3) and of course sign Giddens and Walker.

Thing is, I just don't see Childress happening.