josh childress

[MLG5]

u want a better shooter so you suggest matt barnes?

barnes is a career 42% FG. 32% 3-pt.
childress is a career 57% FG. 36% 3-pt.

barnes is a career backup (averages less than 20 minutes a game and thats on golden state - not exactly a place where he's losing minutes to great players). a nice high-enrgy guy off the bench.

listen i just don't see who else is a better option to immediately step in and fill posey's void. childress has similar size, a good defender (not as good as posey), but slightly better offensively.

[Mr October]

u want a better shooter so you suggest matt barnes?

barnes is a career 42% FG. 32% 3-pt.
childress is a career 57% FG. 36% 3-pt.

barnes is a career backup (averages less than 20 minutes a game and thats on golden state - not exactly a place where he's losing minutes to great players). a nice high-enrgy guy off the bench.

listen i just don't see who else is a better option to immediately step in and fill posey's void. childress has similar size, a good defender (not as good as posey), but slightly better offensively.

Is that directed to me? Barnes is only an icing on the cake option if we can break up the MLE between 2 or 3 players. I'm mostly only interested at him for the minimum.

Hey, I'd take 10 Josh Childresses, if they'd sign for the minimum. 

My free agent cake is as I said earlier - Ross/evans and dooling/arroyo.

If that doesn't pan out, sure, lets take a crack at Childress.

[MLG5]

hahah christ i thought you wanted to give barnes the MLE...i hear ya

[nickagneta]

Need them to sign Smith for a large amount first.


Unfortunately, there is no other teams left to bid against. 

That's about the jist of the whole situation right there.

Without someone with loads of cap space willing to go nuts on Josh Smith then the likelihood of prying Childress away from the Hawks is not good. The Hawks would need to match a big Smith offer to even contemplate not matching Childress.

Of course the Hawks ownership is a complete mess, and if your other options will still be there in 10 days, it couldn't hurt to take a flyer on an MLE contract for Childress hoping on the utter incompetence of the Hawks ownership making our offseason.

[CoachBo]

I make a play for Childress. 

His numbers were not "garbage" numbers by any stretch seeing that he played almost 30 minutes per game. 

Maybe some type of a sign and trade deal, Scal and a second.

I'm not saying that Scal is worth anything, might provide some vet leadership on a very young team though.

OK, i need to explain. He isn't a garbage stat man in the sense of putting up numbers in garbage time.

He doesn't get plays run for him. He doesn't create offense 1 on 1 with any consistency, nor shoot jumpers with any consistency. He scores mostly on lay ups, dunks, put backs, dump offs from team mates.

Thats what I meant by garbage offense. Sorry about any confusion.

This is a plus in my book with regard to Childress.  While the bench is in need of more offensive punch in its own right, I don't necessarily need a team of guys who demand the ball.  That Childress can get his points without being 'featured' is a nice bonus to the fact that he is good on the glass (excellent offensive rebounder) and a versatile defender.

If he is attainable, I'm all for it -- but as several have referenced, prying him away from Atlanta could be difficult with just the MLE at our disposal.

-sw

Agreed. He'd be a great 7th or 8th man. The C's just don't have that luxury. They need to  fill out a suddenly very inexperienced bench with 2 more wiley skilled vets using the MLE if needed.

But the question becomes, who are those two cagey vets?  I hear what you're saying, Oct., but if the right options aren't there (what is Kurt Thomas' story at this point?), then I think Childress is the move to make.

Or we could just offer 900 second rounders and cash considerations for Smith and Childress via sign and trade (and hope they're ready to take cuts to play for winners) 

-sw

Good points, Steve. Childress is really the only thing out there that's going to enable us to rebuild a bench competent enough to make a run at another title. Childress' game is developing, so I'd happily sign off on a five-year MLE, assuming that management isn't going to persist with this penny-pinching nonsense at the expense of winning games.

Childress is a big-time flyer given Atlanta's position, but we have no one but ourselves to blame for the bench mess we now confront. Wonder if Eddie House is interested in a deal?

Ross can fill a defensive role, but he's ghastly offensively. He's a piece, but he's not going to fill any other role than defense.

Childress is the move, assuming management wants to make a run at another title.

[vjcsmoke]

I'm interested at Childress but not for 5 years.  That's a cap killer.
He has potential to develop his game, or he might just stay the same, a rather unrefined offensive player who scores mainly on putbacks, offenseive rebound opportunities.
3 years of the MLE, yeah i'd be willing to risk that on Childress.  But so likely, will the Hawks.

[Steve Weinman]

I'm interested at Childress but not for 5 years.  That's a cap killer.
He has potential to develop his game, or he might just stay the same, a rather unrefined offensive player who scores mainly on putbacks, offenseive rebound opportunities.
3 years of the MLE, yeah i'd be willing to risk that on Childress.  But so likely, will the Hawks.

What's the problem with 5 years for Childress?  He's just 25 years old and likely to only get better from here.  We're not talking about given the guy a max deal; just the MLE.  I don't have an issue with that.  Especially because he seems like the best (possibly realistically) attainable option.

-sw

[CoachBo]

We've seen the results of pinching MLE pennies. Childress is the best option out there, and as Steve points out he's an accomplished defender with a developing offensive game. I remain very skeptical we can get our hands on him, but I like the attempt a LOT better than the equivalent of going to the used car lot and trying to piece three or four beaters like Matt Barnes, O'Blount, Turnover Tony Allen, etc. together and delude ourselves that we're still contending for a title with that bench.

[nickagneta]

I'm interested at Childress but not for 5 years.  That's a cap killer.
He has potential to develop his game, or he might just stay the same, a rather unrefined offensive player who scores mainly on putbacks, offenseive rebound opportunities.
3 years of the MLE, yeah i'd be willing to risk that on Childress.  But so likely, will the Hawks.

What's the problem with 5 years for Childress?  He's just 25 years old and likely to only get better from here.  We're not talking about given the guy a max deal; just the MLE.  I don't have an issue with that.  Especially because he seems like the best (possibly realistically) attainable option.

-sw

I agree, Steve and think he actually could be quite the bargain at the MLE for this team.

He would be a perfect weakside swing option off the bench. Whereas for Posey that option was always the 3 pointer, having Childress on that wing with the choice of shooting the three or driving baseline with his freakish length and athleticism would be a very dangerous weapon in the Celtics offensive system.

Think of him being capable of being the perfect blend of Tony Allen and James Posey. A guy that plays tough defense, can rebound, has a reliable outside shot with 3 point range and can drive to the basket.

If he could then ever learn to pass while driving on that baseline move he would make a perfect off the bench weapon for the Celtics.

That's what I think taking Childress out of the mess that is Atlanta and putting him in a proven system with a well rounded and experienced team could do for his game.

[billysan]

Chidress is an excellent young player. He really looked good in the playoffs against us and we could use his speed and athleticism. Not to mention his defense. He played some PG at times and was a facilitator. He may not be a great shooter, but I would say he is an excellent offenseive player.

This kid is well worth every penny of a 5 year, max raise MLE contract IMO. The only reason not sign him would be if we had a young guy better. Walker? not yet. Giddens? no way. Tony Allen? no sir. He would be the best young Celtics wing player (not named Paul Pierce) since Reggie Lewis.

[CoachBo]

I don't think Childress is quite there yet, but he'd grow into that role with a contender.

Side note: We're not going to go from questionably signing Giddens and Walker to turning them into Posey replacements, especially Walker, who's demonstrably a temper question mark. They're not going to replace Posey next year.

[Chris]

I don't think Childress is quite there yet, but he'd grow into that role with a contender.

Side note: We're not going to go from questionably signing Giddens and Walker to turning them into Posey replacements, especially Walker, who's demonstrably a temper question mark. They're not going to replace Posey next year.

You mean Giddens is a temper questionmark, right?  I don't believe Walker had any character issues like that.

[Fan from VT]

I'm interested at Childress but not for 5 years.  That's a cap killer.
He has potential to develop his game, or he might just stay the same, a rather unrefined offensive player who scores mainly on putbacks, offenseive rebound opportunities.
3 years of the MLE, yeah i'd be willing to risk that on Childress.  But so likely, will the Hawks.

People know that he shoots .360 from deep over his 4 year career, right? .367 last year?

Having a 30 year old expiring guard/forward who is tall, athletic, rebounds and shoots the 3 with a 17+ PER for 6 mil a year is not a cap killer. We'd be lucky to get him for that.

[CoachBo]

I don't think Childress is quite there yet, but he'd grow into that role with a contender.

Side note: We're not going to go from questionably signing Giddens and Walker to turning them into Posey replacements, especially Walker, who's demonstrably a temper question mark. They're not going to replace Posey next year.

You mean Giddens is a temper questionmark, right?  I don't believe Walker had any character issues like that.

No. Chris, Walker has been just down the road from me for two years. He has some issues controlling his on-court emotions, including one benching I recall for an on-court tantrum. Probably youth, I'd surmise, but it's extremely unlikely in my opinion that he's mature enogh to help the Celtics for awhile - two to three years.

[Fan from VT]

Need them to sign Smith for a large amount first.


Unfortunately, there is no other teams left to bid against. 

That's about the jist of the whole situation right there.

Without someone with loads of cap space willing to go nuts on Josh Smith then the likelihood of prying Childress away from the Hawks is not good. The Hawks would need to match a big Smith offer to even contemplate not matching Childress.

Of course the Hawks ownership is a complete mess, and if your other options will still be there in 10 days, it couldn't hurt to take a flyer on an MLE contract for Childress hoping on the utter incompetence of the Hawks ownership making our offseason.

Of course Josh Smith is a cocky hothead, and he could just take the qualifying offer go for unrestricted free agency next year if he gets a cheap contract, so Atlanta has to factor in that risk if they want to keep him. I think they'll be paying a substantial amount for him regardless of bidding wars.