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Re: Posey Update
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2008, 07:03:17 AM »

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I just want to see how it plays out.   IMO, there are a few scenarios which don't include Posey that won't make me seriously concerned about the bench ... however, there are a lot of scenarios that do include Posey that make me excited.

Right now, I view this as negotiation rhetoric.   A nice little bow shot to let Posey's other suitors that we are talking 2 years.  IMO, it will be extended to three. 4? Who knows.

Re: Posey Update
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2008, 07:54:31 AM »

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Hopefully, it is negotiation rhetoric because right now, the downgrade in the bench has me seriously concerned.
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Re: Posey Update
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2008, 08:02:41 AM »

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Hopefully, it is negotiation rhetoric because right now, the downgrade in the bench has me seriously concerned.

It's still the beginning of free agency. You can't talk about a downgrade so early.

Re: Posey Update
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2008, 08:21:35 AM »

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Hopefully, it is negotiation rhetoric because right now, the downgrade in the bench has me seriously concerned.

It's still the beginning of free agency. You can't talk about a downgrade so early.

It's pretty easy to look at the available players and be concerned about a downgrade.  If we lose Posey, it isn't a stretch to say that we will NOT be likely to get a better 6th man than him in this current FA class.   

Re: Posey Update
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2008, 08:23:48 AM »

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It is hardly the beginning of free agency and there CLEARLY isn't an acceptable alternative - yes, I'm talking about Matt Barnes, who isn't close to what Posey can provide this team - available.

And that's not to mention the ghastly exchange of P.J. Brown for Patrick O'Blount. Ainge is 0-for-1 and the returns are still rolling in.

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Re: Posey Update
« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2008, 08:33:43 AM »

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I think Mark Spears made a typo.  I don't believe Ainge only offered Posey 2 years.  If that was all he was offering and that was his final offer, Posey might have signed with someone else for 2 years (or 3) by now just for the slight by Ainge.
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Re: Posey Update
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2008, 08:41:32 AM »

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It is hardly the beginning of free agency and there CLEARLY isn't an acceptable alternative - yes, I'm talking about Matt Barnes, who isn't close to what Posey can provide this team - available.

And that's not to mention the ghastly exchange of P.J. Brown for Patrick O'Blount. Ainge is 0-for-1 and the returns are still rolling in.



Interesting 0-1 huh?  And who is 1 that we didn't get?  Was Brown suppose to continue to play to make it 1-0 or are you actually trying to tell me that you know that Anderson or whomever the C's were suppose to replace Brown with is better than O'Bryant?  It isn't very hard to see why Ainge passed on Anderson.  I think I'll wait until I actually see him play before I hand in my grade.
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Re: Posey Update
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2008, 08:59:01 AM »

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if we lose out on james posey we CAN still win a championship next season...danny won't just sit back and play dumb.

i would be excited to see the next move, as i believe danny has contingency plans for just about anything that might happen.

i hope posey stays, but if he leaves, then so be it.  afterall, we survived the departure of gerald green when many thought the sky had fallen...
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Re: Posey Update
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2008, 09:05:50 AM »

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if we lose out on james posey we CAN still win a championship next season...danny won't just sit back and play dumb.

i would be excited to see the next move, as i believe danny has contingency plans for just about anything that might happen.

i hope posey stays, but if he leaves, then so be it.  afterall, we survived the departure of gerald green when many thought the sky had fallen...

You're not comparing Gerald Green to Posey, are you? ::)
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Re: Posey Update
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2008, 09:22:07 AM »

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if we lose out on james posey we CAN still win a championship next season...danny won't just sit back and play dumb.

i would be excited to see the next move, as i believe danny has contingency plans for just about anything that might happen.

i hope posey stays, but if he leaves, then so be it.  afterall, we survived the departure of gerald green when many thought the sky had fallen...

You're not comparing Gerald Green to Posey, are you? ::)

he is but i dont think in terms of skill or impact but in terms of fan reaction.
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Re: Posey Update
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2008, 09:28:42 AM »

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Well first of all, in most of these situations, nobody really knows what's going on.  I'm sure both Ainge and Posey's agent are trying to distort reality through the media.  For all we know, no team wants to offer Posey more than two years; but we all know that Posey's agent is going to say that and is probably leaking info to the contrary. 

That said, Danny's playing a dangerous game if he doesn't bring Posey back.  I worry that he--like some people on this board--has the mindset that he's the new Patriots/Red Sox, when nothing could be further from the truth.  Both in terms of construction and the simple nature of each sport, the Sox and Pats' "tough line" approach has little application to the C's current situation. 

1) Age.  Brady is Pierce's age in a sport where he could play longer.  Brady was in his 20s when they won their three titles.  Thus, Bellichick could always afford to take a temporary hit because he knew his window to win a title was wide open.  It's similar with the Sox.  Though Ortiz and Manny are older now, they weathered the storm in '05 and '06 and came back and won in '07.  That's not happening for the Celtics.  They can't afford to be tough about salary because they don't have a year or two to wait around to find a suitable replacement. 

2) Speaking of suitable replacements, that's also something the C's don't really have the luxury of having.  People forget, yes, the Pats cut Lawyer Milloy, but they brought in Rodney Harrison.  Yes, the Sox let Pedro go in '05 and Damon go in '06, but countered with the acquisition of guys like Beckett and Lowell.  Who are the Celtics going to replace Posey with?  Giddens?  Maybe if we're very lucky, but he's not going to get away with what Posey got away with as rookie?  A guy like Barnes?  Maybe, but he doesn't have all the intangibles Posey has. 

3) If the C's lose Posey and somehow win it all next year, good for Danny.  In Danny I will trust; however, if they come up just short, it's an enormous waste.  In life, I'm someone always looking to the future.  But what's the point of looking to the future if you're the Celtics?  The whole point of being a professional sports team is to win a championship.  The C's are doing that right now.  While I'd like to see them continue that success 5 years down the road, reality will tell us that even if Danny plays his cards right, they probably won't be winning a title then.  Remember, every era of basketball has a ton of good teams, but few of them ever win a title.  So to risk not winning a title when we're currently one of the "great" teams of an era is crazy.  Because even if Danny develops youngsters and clears cap space, it's far more likely that the next incantation of the C's is the '97 Jazz (or worse the '01 Sixers or '02 Nets) than the '97 Bulls. 

Re: Posey Update
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2008, 10:01:54 AM »

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id like to bring posey back if for nothing else than hes one more veteran player that giddens and walker can learn from off the bench. but have posey here for a couple of years until giddens and walker are fully ready for bigger minutes and then you dont need posey anymore. id definitely like him back for next year to hopefully win another title. and the year after that. even 3 years. worse come to worse hes a trade asset in his 3rd year. but beyond that is where i get hazy. i think posey has another couple of good years in him but if we dont resign him im not convinced hes the only way we can compete for a title. this team had the best overall team defense BY FAR. and if we lose posey were gonna fall apart all the sudden? i dont buy that. considering the la lakers just competed for a title with kobe bryant and this group of wings: vladimir radmanovic, luke walton, sasha vujacic, and trevor ariza. and they came out of supposedly the tougher top to bottom conference.

i want posey back for the next couple of years but he he chooses elsewhere the sky is definitely not falling.
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Re: Posey Update
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2008, 10:09:59 AM »

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id like to bring posey back if for nothing else than hes one more veteran player that giddens and walker can learn from off the bench. but have posey here for a couple of years until giddens and walker are fully ready for bigger minutes and then you dont need posey anymore. id definitely like him back for next year to hopefully win another title. and the year after that. even 3 years. worse come to worse hes a trade asset in his 3rd year. but beyond that is where i get hazy. i think posey has another couple of good years in him but if we dont resign him im not convinced hes the only way we can compete for a title. this team had the best overall team defense BY FAR. and if we lose posey were gonna fall apart all the sudden? i dont buy that. considering the la lakers just competed for a title with kobe bryant and this group of wings: vladimir radmanovic, luke walton, sasha vujacic, and trevor ariza. and they came out of supposedly the tougher top to bottom conference.

i want posey back for the next couple of years but he he chooses elsewhere the sky is definitely not falling.

Depends what you mean by falling.  Would the C's have won #17 without Posey this year?  I'm not sure they would have.  So unless the C's can a) get a suitable replacement, b) make up for it in other areas, or c) face easier competition, I don't see how the team won't be worse next year without him.

"a" is easier said than done with the drying up free agent pool; however, given the C's status as champions, I'm holding out hope someone will want to jump on for the chance at a ring for less money. 

"b" is probably only going to happen if Rondo steps it up or a guy like Giddens matures a heck of a lot faster than we think.  Could happen, but probably not something to fall back on.

"c" probably isn't going to happen given Philly's improvement and the Cavs continuing presence.  Still, Detroit could be worse next year than they were this year depending on what Dumars does. 

But make no mistake about it, if the C's don't get Posey and fall just short next year (read: lose that very close Cleveland series), the sky will have fallen. 

Re: Posey Update
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2008, 10:54:43 AM »

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posey better make a decision today because i'm tired of waiting..
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Re: Posey Update
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2008, 11:05:54 AM »

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id like to bring posey back if for nothing else than hes one more veteran player that giddens and walker can learn from off the bench. but have posey here for a couple of years until giddens and walker are fully ready for bigger minutes and then you dont need posey anymore. id definitely like him back for next year to hopefully win another title. and the year after that. even 3 years. worse come to worse hes a trade asset in his 3rd year. but beyond that is where i get hazy. i think posey has another couple of good years in him but if we dont resign him im not convinced hes the only way we can compete for a title. this team had the best overall team defense BY FAR. and if we lose posey were gonna fall apart all the sudden? i dont buy that. considering the la lakers just competed for a title with kobe bryant and this group of wings: vladimir radmanovic, luke walton, sasha vujacic, and trevor ariza. and they came out of supposedly the tougher top to bottom conference.

i want posey back for the next couple of years but he he chooses elsewhere the sky is definitely not falling.

Depends what you mean by falling.  Would the C's have won #17 without Posey this year?  I'm not sure they would have.  So unless the C's can a) get a suitable replacement, b) make up for it in other areas, or c) face easier competition, I don't see how the team won't be worse next year without him.

"a" is easier said than done with the drying up free agent pool; however, given the C's status as champions, I'm holding out hope someone will want to jump on for the chance at a ring for less money. 

"b" is probably only going to happen if Rondo steps it up or a guy like Giddens matures a heck of a lot faster than we think.  Could happen, but probably not something to fall back on.

"c" probably isn't going to happen given Philly's improvement and the Cavs continuing presence.  Still, Detroit could be worse next year than they were this year depending on what Dumars does. 

But make no mistake about it, if the C's don't get Posey and fall just short next year (read: lose that very close Cleveland series), the sky will have fallen. 

if they resign posey and STILL lose that close series next year does the sky fall then too? oh yeah resigning posey does not automatically mean banner 18 nor does it assume future series wins. posey can make a big shot or 2 to help but championships are ALWAYS gonna be won by your best players, not by role players. do we win #17 without ray allen? kg? how about paul pierce? i dont think so either. do they win the cleveland series without a clutch shot from pj brown?? should we pay him 6 mil too? im sure the c's can find a suitable replacement if need be although where the sky would be falling is within people's subjective view of what is and what is not suitable.
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