Pierce: "Posey and House" two free agents priorities and cap implications

[Rida]

You can see the interview on Celtics.com

He has stated that he has spoken to Danny almost ever other day and that Posey and House are their two top free agent resigns, I think that clearly indicates that PJ Brown is retiring, Tony Allen got drafted out of a job and the Bird Man or someone else will replace Pollard

Cap Implications
guys already on the books for next year

Kevin Garnett      $24,750,000
Paul Pierce      $18,077,903   
Ray Allen     $17,388,430
Kendrick Perkins $4,078,880
Brian Scalabrine $3,206,897
Rajon Rondo    $1,646,784
Leon Powe        $797,581   
Gabe Pruitt      $711,517
Glen Davis       $711,517

This puts their salary at $71,369,509

Add in around 800,000 for Giddens and around $500,000 for walker.

the MLE around 5.6 Mil split between house and Posey (Posey taking 4.3m and house 1.3m)

This takes our cap to 77,419,509 and we would have to sign birdman or another to a shade over 78Million which is extremely close to what we were spending last year.

The owners with inline with inflation will likely not pay a higher luxury tax this year as the cap number will increase.

Danny's biggest mistake as Celtics GM appear to be giving Scal that 5 yr deal which is now limiting our ablility to resign our FA.

All in all i think resigning posey will come down to weather the C's are willing to offer a 4th year in the deal which will take posey in line with Garnett as the only player on the roster who is signed through to the  2011/2012 season

[BudweiserCeltic]

Danny's biggest mistake as Celtics GM appear to be giving Scal that 5 yr deal which is now limiting our ablility to resign our FA.

Scal's contract is in no way intruding into our ability to resign our own free-agents. You take Scal's contract away, and Danny would still be hesitating to offer Posey full MLE, etc.

Scal expiring next year could be a valuable asset, and suddenly Danny would look like a genius.

[Rida]

i hate it when people ignore the main point of the post and nitpick arguements which are entirely objective. It happens all the time on these boards.

The Scal observation is an opinion on my part. I beleive that with luxury tax implications you are paying scal more than 6 million a year to sit on the bench in street clothes, that in my opinion is going to cause Wyc to think to himself that maybe offering posey a long term deal isn't the smartest idea.

Again its not the main point of the post and its just an objective observation.

[BudweiserCeltic]

i hate it when people ignore the main point of the post and nitpick arguements which are entirely objective. It happens all the time on these boards.

The Scal observation is an opinion on my part. I beleive that with luxury tax implications you are paying scal more than 6 million a year to sit on the bench in street clothes, that in my opinion is going to cause Wyc to think to himself that maybe offering posey a long term deal isn't the smartest idea.

Again its not the main point of the post and its just an objective observation.

Danny is going to spend the full MLE, the question is how is he going to spread it around. Posey wants full MLE, Danny is not going to give it to him from the looks of it. As far as long term implications, Scal won't be around, so he has zero impact on the decision to sign Posey long term.

As for your main point of the post? Well, I didn't see any other than implying that Posey's signing will depend on the C's willingness for a 4th year... which I have to disagree. Posey's signing will mainly depend on how much are the C's willing to spend on a short contract vs. how much of a pay cut Posey is willing to take for a long contract. In both scenarios Posey wants to get paid big time, Danny doesn't like the idea and my suspicion is that it starts with Danny not wanting to spend the MLE on him. It seems to me that it's more of how signing Posey will prevent him from going after other players he's interested in.

Luxury tax implications will have little to do with our offer to him. It's a forgone conclusion that the Celtics will be in tax land for years to come, but the question really comes down to wether the team is willing to pay a ton of money to an old Posey regardless if they're in tax land or not.

Also, I don't think they'll need the MLE to sign House... they'll probably get him through non-Bird exception, if he's indeed in Danny's plans.

[acviseu]

Scal expiring next year could be a valuable asset, and suddenly Danny would look like a genius.
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Danny will never look like a genius in regards to the scal contract,he really overpaid for a bench warmer.

[Andy Jick]

scal's contract begins to look really bad when he wears a suit to a game because he's unable to crack the active 12 man lineup...you simply can't pay a guy 3 mil. a year that deep down the depth chart.  sorry, but nobody can spin that one...

[houlana]

cant the C's buy out Scal's contract.
the guy really bugs me, taking that much money and being so useless.
people are saying that his expiring contract is huge for next yr.

im sorry guys, we dont have a big window to win more championships with the big three. the team needs the money scal is getting to get a stonger bench so they can try and repeat THIS yr.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Scal expiring next year could be a valuable asset, and suddenly Danny would look like a genius.

Danny will never look like a genius in regards to the scal contract,he really overpaid for a bench warmer.

scal's contract begins to look really bad when he wears a suit to a game because he's unable to crack the active 12 man lineup...you simply can't pay a guy 3 mil. a year that deep down the depth chart.  sorry, but nobody can spin that one...

Of course, but wait till next season (or maybe this year) when Danny somehow manages to trade him for something meaningful, and we'll start seeing an abundance of threads calling Danny a genius for specifically signing him to a 5-year deal knowing that his 5th year would coincide with the eve of one of the most important free-agency class in a while.

Anyways, other than taking a roster spot of someone who could be more useful, if useful at all, his contract isn't affecting much on who we target as free-agents and our willingness to spend on our current ones.

Also, his usefulness will depend on the signing of Posey. Because let's say we get Maggette, I can see somehow Scal cracking the 12 man roster. If Posey is the one signed, Scal has little chance of making it.

[bucknersrevenge]

cant the C's buy out Scal's contract.
the guy really bugs me, taking that much money and being so useless.
people are saying that his expiring contract is huge for next yr.

im sorry guys, we dont have a big window to win more championships with the big three. the team needs the money scal is getting to get a stonger bench so they can try and repeat THIS yr.

the money scal is getting isnt gonna be the determining factor in whether we repeat or not this year. the celtics have money to spend. danny just wants to make sure he spends it WISELY with an eye on the future as well. its because the big 3 as a group may not be around long that he has to pick and choose where his money goes.

scals contract and rays contract come off right before the '10 offseason. thats 20mil right there just in time for some big name free agents to hit the market. now is definitely the time to hold onto scal.

[steelbos]

A couple of injuries to the frontcourt and Scal really looks good on this team as a veteran who can fill in instead of having to throw a young guy in there. His signing was way before any trade thought s of Allen and Garnett were there and we were in dire need of some sort of veteran leadership, so we need to ease up on the Scal bashing. If I remember correctly he was part of a Nets team that took this team apart in the playoffs and he played a role for the Nets at the time.

[timepiece33]

Danny is going to spend the full MLE, the question is how is he going to spread it around. Posey wants full MLE, Danny is not going to give it to him from the looks of it. As far as long term implications, Scal won't be around, so he has zero impact on the decision to sign Posey long term.

While I agree that Scalabrine has no impact to the decision to sign Posey long term, the only thing that appears clear right now is that Maggette has the MLE offer.   If Maggette starts to look less likely, we have no idea what Danny will do.

[Bankshot]

A couple of injuries to the frontcourt and Scal really looks good on this team as a veteran who can fill in instead of having to throw a young guy in there. His signing was way before any trade thought s of Allen and Garnett were there and we were in dire need of some sort of veteran leadership, so we need to ease up on the Scal bashing. If I remember correctly he was part of a Nets team that took this team apart in the playoffs and he played a role for the Nets at the time.

Not really. If there was an injury to KG, I'd rather start one of the young guys (Baby or Powe), who are much more productive than Scal.   The last start Baby got he produced 16/9, probably more than Scal will ever produce. Scal is useless on this team, no other way to spin it, imo.  He takes up a roster spot and cap money we could be using to sign our very important and useful free agents, Posey and House.

[indeedproceed]

Scal expiring next year could be a valuable asset, and suddenly Danny would look like a genius.

Danny will never look like a genius in regards to the scal contract,he really overpaid for a bench warmer.

scal's contract begins to look really bad when he wears a suit to a game because he's unable to crack the active 12 man lineup...you simply can't pay a guy 3 mil. a year that deep down the depth chart.  sorry, but nobody can spin that one...

Of course, but wait till next season (or maybe this year) when Danny somehow manages to trade him for something meaningful, and we'll start seeing an abundance of threads calling Danny a genius for specifically signing him to a 5-year deal knowing that his 5th year would coincide with the eve of one of the most important free-agency class in a while.

Anyways, other than taking a roster spot of someone who could be more useful, if useful at all, his contract isn't affecting much on who we target as free-agents and our willingness to spend on our current ones.

Also, his usefulness will depend on the signing of Posey. Because let's say we get Maggette, I can see somehow Scal cracking the 12 man roster. If Posey is the one signed, Scal has little chance of making it.

There is no amount of wishful thinking or hyperbole that should allow any member to believe that Danny knew he needed an expiring contract in 2010, so he offered scalabrine a contract that escalated to three and a half million dollars before ending in the summer of 2010. If Wyc believed that he should fire danny for wasting his money

[BudweiserCeltic]

Scal expiring next year could be a valuable asset, and suddenly Danny would look like a genius.

Danny will never look like a genius in regards to the scal contract,he really overpaid for a bench warmer.

scal's contract begins to look really bad when he wears a suit to a game because he's unable to crack the active 12 man lineup...you simply can't pay a guy 3 mil. a year that deep down the depth chart.  sorry, but nobody can spin that one...

Of course, but wait till next season (or maybe this year) when Danny somehow manages to trade him for something meaningful, and we'll start seeing an abundance of threads calling Danny a genius for specifically signing him to a 5-year deal knowing that his 5th year would coincide with the eve of one of the most important free-agency class in a while.

Anyways, other than taking a roster spot of someone who could be more useful, if useful at all, his contract isn't affecting much on who we target as free-agents and our willingness to spend on our current ones.

Also, his usefulness will depend on the signing of Posey. Because let's say we get Maggette, I can see somehow Scal cracking the 12 man roster. If Posey is the one signed, Scal has little chance of making it.

There is no amount of wishful thinking or hyperbole that should allow any member to believe that Danny knew he needed an expiring contract in 2010, so he offered scalabrine a contract that escalated to three and a half million dollars before ending in the summer of 2010. If Wyc believed that he should fire danny for wasting his money

It only takes ONE member...there's always one around lol.

[kozlodoev]

i hate it when people ignore the main point of the post and nitpick arguements which are entirely objective. It happens all the time on these boards.

The Scal observation is an opinion on my part. I beleive that with luxury tax implications you are paying scal more than 6 million a year to sit on the bench in street clothes, that in my opinion is going to cause Wyc to think to himself that maybe offering posey a long term deal isn't the smartest idea.

Again its not the main point of the post and its just an objective observation.

What exactly _is_ the main point anyhow? That we'll have a 77 million payroll if we spend the MLE on Posey and House and sign our rookies? That we're trying to sign both House and Posey by splitting the MLE like we did last year? Gee, thanks, captain Obvious. If it were that easy, it would have been done already. But Posey is not taking 4 million per year, and House will probably not be signed until the backup swingman situation is not resolved. And what Pierce says is irrelevant -- Aingle listens to his players, but he does take his own decision.

So there. What was the main point again, aside from copying the Hoopshype payroll numbers?