What if we lose out on Maggette and Posey? Ricky Davis?

[wdleehi]

Sounds exactly like what was expected.  Danny was willing to offer the MLE, but only wanted three years.  Posey wants four years (or five).  Wait and see if anyone else offers four years, hopefully Posey gives us the curtosey of letting Danny match if that does happen.  Danny wasn't going to offer up the fourth year immediately - that's no way to negotiate!

I'm wondering, too, if the offer to Maggette (surprising as it was even to Corey) was in part an effort to put some pressure on Posey to re-sign quickly for the three-year offer. 

No.  I think the Baron Davis opt out and going to the Clippers completely changed the game around Magette.  he went from a sign trade piece to a MLE piece overnight. 

true Maggette is now an MLE player this year , but why would he accept a long term deal at the MLE from the Celtics? It would make more sense for him to sign a deal like Posey last year where he can opt out after a year or 2. That way he could get a raise with the celtics when Ray Allen comes off the books or he could prove himself as a good player on a contending team for a few years and then try to get that one big pay day when he is about 30 years old somewhere else.

He needs to get payed.   He needs to get his bird right back. 


And, isn't next year suppose to be an even deeper FA class? 

[RebusRankin]

I like Posey but is it a good idea to have him under contract for over 6 million when he's 35 or 36? Doesn't seem so to me.

[rondohondo]

Sounds exactly like what was expected.  Danny was willing to offer the MLE, but only wanted three years.  Posey wants four years (or five).  Wait and see if anyone else offers four years, hopefully Posey gives us the curtosey of letting Danny match if that does happen.  Danny wasn't going to offer up the fourth year immediately - that's no way to negotiate!

I'm wondering, too, if the offer to Maggette (surprising as it was even to Corey) was in part an effort to put some pressure on Posey to re-sign quickly for the three-year offer. 

No.  I think the Baron Davis opt out and going to the Clippers completely changed the game around Magette.  he went from a sign trade piece to a MLE piece overnight. 

true Maggette is now an MLE player this year , but why would he accept a long term deal at the MLE from the Celtics? It would make more sense for him to sign a deal like Posey last year where he can opt out after a year or 2. That way he could get a raise with the celtics when Ray Allen comes off the books or he could prove himself as a good player on a contending team for a few years and then try to get that one big pay day when he is about 30 years old somewhere else.

He needs to get payed.   He needs to get his bird right back. 


And, isn't next year suppose to be an even deeper FA class? 

not sure about next years FA class,but 2010 is when Lebron and Wade will be out there

[cordobes]

Though agent Mark Bartlestein declined to name the other franchises that filed offers for James Posey, the group is known to include a substantial list of playoff teams like the Cleveland Cavaliers, the Houston Rockets, the New Orleans Hornets and possibly the Detroit Pistons and the Los Angeles Lakers.

It's unclear how close the Celtics' offer came to the mid-level, long-term deal that Posey wants, with the desired first year starting at approximately $5.8 million and extending over four or five seasons. The C's opening move obviously wasn't good enough to bring matters to a quick resolution.

"They would like it, and we would like as well, to get it done right away," Bartlestein said. "We'd like nothing better but that's obviously not the case. But we'll see where it goes from here." -- Boston Herald

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors


That's the big part to me.   I don't see Ainge getting himself locked into such a long contract for a 6th man that is already 31. 


I don't blame Posey for wanting the one last big deal.   And I don't blame the Celtics for not giving it to him.




Time for them to focus on Maggette (worth the 5 year MLE) and Peitrus. 

I don't think Ainge offered Posey the MLE yet, but a 5 years non-Bird exception deal. That's probably an offer as good as the 3 years MLE.

[wdleehi]

Though agent Mark Bartlestein declined to name the other franchises that filed offers for James Posey, the group is known to include a substantial list of playoff teams like the Cleveland Cavaliers, the Houston Rockets, the New Orleans Hornets and possibly the Detroit Pistons and the Los Angeles Lakers.

It's unclear how close the Celtics' offer came to the mid-level, long-term deal that Posey wants, with the desired first year starting at approximately $5.8 million and extending over four or five seasons. The C's opening move obviously wasn't good enough to bring matters to a quick resolution.

"They would like it, and we would like as well, to get it done right away," Bartlestein said. "We'd like nothing better but that's obviously not the case. But we'll see where it goes from here." -- Boston Herald

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors


That's the big part to me.   I don't see Ainge getting himself locked into such a long contract for a 6th man that is already 31. 


I don't blame Posey for wanting the one last big deal.   And I don't blame the Celtics for not giving it to him.




Time for them to focus on Maggette (worth the 5 year MLE) and Peitrus. 

I don't think Ainge offered Posey the MLE yet, but a 5 years non-Bird exception deal. That's probably an offer as good as the 3 years MLE.

I don't think he went beyond a 3 year offer.

[BballTim]

I'm going to make a prediction right now: James Posey will be drenched in champagne and clutching the trophy in the locker room at the end of the 2009 finals.  Corey Magette and Ricky Davis will be at their homes watching it happen on TV.  In other words, Posey will only go to a contender, and whoever he plays for he will put over the top. 

  James Posey isn't exactly Paul Pierce. We might not have been able to win the title without him when it was out first trip to the playoffs as a group and we didn't have a replacement for him. Finding another wing player that can give us 15-20 quality minutes off the bench won't be an impossible task.

[Who]

Though agent Mark Bartlestein declined to name the other franchises that filed offers for James Posey, the group is known to include a substantial list of playoff teams like the Cleveland Cavaliers, the Houston Rockets, the New Orleans Hornets and possibly the Detroit Pistons and the Los Angeles Lakers.

It's unclear how close the Celtics' offer came to the mid-level, long-term deal that Posey wants, with the desired first year starting at approximately $5.8 million and extending over four or five seasons. The C's opening move obviously wasn't good enough to bring matters to a quick resolution.

"They would like it, and we would like as well, to get it done right away," Bartlestein said. "We'd like nothing better but that's obviously not the case. But we'll see where it goes from here." -- Boston Herald

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors

That's the big part to me.   I don't see Ainge getting himself locked into such a long contract for a 6th man that is already 31. 

I don't blame Posey for wanting the one last big deal.   And I don't blame the Celtics for not giving it to him.

Time for them to focus on Maggette (worth the 5 year MLE) and Peitrus. 

I don't think Ainge offered Posey the MLE yet, but a 5 years non-Bird exception deal. That's probably an offer as good as the 3 years MLE.

I don't think he went beyond a 3 year offer.

I agree with both of you and your takes on it. Either the non-Bird offer or 3 years or less MLE offer. Risky move by Ainge.

Wonder if Posey can do better elsewhere. Good sign is that he hasn't announced any move elsewhere yet which means he probably doesn't have the offer he wants yet. Otherwise he'd call Ainge and ask him to match it, and if Ainge wouldn't he'd leave quickly. That hasn't happened yet.

[dooyork]

I'm going to make a prediction right now: James Posey will be drenched in champagne and clutching the trophy in the locker room at the end of the 2009 finals.  Corey Magette and Ricky Davis will be at their homes watching it happen on TV.  In other words, Posey will only go to a contender, and whoever he plays for he will put over the top. 

I'll also make a prediction about what happens to that 2009 championship team four or five years later when Posey is in his last year of his new contract.  I predict...actually, wait a minute, never mind, because who cares what happens that far down the road?  Danny: keep Posey, no matter what it takes!!!

I like your prediction, except I have a question. Does that mean that you feel like if Posey signs with a team like the Cleveland LeBrons that will raise them to the level needed to beat us, even if we sign Maggette?

Good question.  The Cavs are probably the weakest of the suitors for Posey.  I'm picturing the Lakers and Pistons as the other two main suitors, and I do think Posey would put either one of those teams over the top.  Detroit might be looking to shake things up more dramatically than simply adding a piece, they could trade core players.  If the Lakers sign him, then I think they win it all.  Cleveland's only real advantage is that it's Posey's home town, so he would love to win a championship there I'm sure.  Posey by himself probably doesn't put Cleveland over the top in a 7 game series against the Cs (the semis should not have gone 7 games, the Cs are better than they played in that series), CLE would have to make some other moves.  But what the heck, this is hypothetical, so I'll stick with my prediction.  Posey will sign with a contender, and win a championship in 2009.  Hopefully Boston. 

If management doesn't sign Posey, at least they save some money.  That's not really as good as another championship, but everybody likes money I guess, so I can't criticise them too much for that, business is business.  When I fill the gas tank I don't get the premium unleaded, I get the one in the middle.  If I'm driving someone else's car, I'll get the cheapest one and then lie and say I filled up with the one in the middle.  So I understand, I'm not totally unsympathetic to management.  For the last 22 years I've been thinking how happy I would be if the Cs just won one championship.  Now they've done it, so I can't really complain too much if they decide to rebuild now.  This team was great, I loved watching them this year, and that can never be taken away.

[cordobes]

I'm going to make a prediction right now: James Posey will be drenched in champagne and clutching the trophy in the locker room at the end of the 2009 finals.  Corey Magette and Ricky Davis will be at their homes watching it happen on TV.  In other words, Posey will only go to a contender, and whoever he plays for he will put over the top. 

I'll also make a prediction about what happens to that 2009 championship team four or five years later when Posey is in his last year of his new contract.  I predict...actually, wait a minute, never mind, because who cares what happens that far down the road?  Danny: keep Posey, no matter what it takes!!!

I like your prediction, except I have a question. Does that mean that you feel like if Posey signs with a team like the Cleveland LeBrons that will raise them to the level needed to beat us, even if we sign Maggette?

Good question.  The Cavs are probably the weakest of the suitors for Posey.  I'm picturing the Lakers and Pistons as the other two main suitors, and I do think Posey would put either one of those teams over the top.  Detroit might be looking to shake things up more dramatically than simply adding a piece, they could trade core players.  If the Lakers sign him, then I think they win it all.  Cleveland's only real advantage is that it's Posey's home town, so he would love to win a championship there I'm sure.  Posey by himself probably doesn't put Cleveland over the top in a 7 game series against the Cs (the semis should not have gone 7 games, the Cs are better than they played in that series), CLE would have to make some other moves.  But what the heck, this is hypothetical, so I'll stick with my prediction.  Posey will sign with a contender, and win a championship in 2009.  Hopefully Boston. 

If management doesn't sign Posey, at least they save some money.  That's not really as good as another championship, but everybody likes money I guess, so I can't criticise them too much for that, business is business.  When I fill the gas tank I don't get the premium unleaded, I get the one in the middle.  If I'm driving someone else's car, I'll get the cheapest one and then lie and say I filled up with the one in the middle.  So I understand, I'm not totally unsympathetic to management.  For the last 22 years I've been thinking how happy I would be if the Cs just won one championship.  Now they've done it, so I can't really complain too much if they decide to rebuild now.  This team was great, I loved watching them this year, and that can never be taken away.

It's not really a problem of the management wanting to spend money or not.

Unless someone accepts a non-Bird deal, all they have to offer is the MLE and the LLE. They can't spend more money even if they want to. They'll spend as much as the league rules allow them to.

[jimmyt]

Ricky Davis isn't walking through that door folks. Antoine Walker isnt walking through that door. Ryan Gomes isn't walking through that door.

PEOPLE PLEASE STOP STARTING THREADS TO TRY TO BRING BACK OLD CELTICS PLAYERS.

Ricky Davis is a me-first player. No room for that on our team. He's been traded numerous times for a reason, hes not a great teammate.

I admire everyone who has been fans over the years with these players, but theyre not coming back. ever. Gerald Green will never come back here ok?

Please, lets put pre-2008 behind us.

[Triboy16]

I have a bad feeling about posey coming back. I really want him back but i think he wants too much for too long than what danny can offer. Plus we need to fill in pisces left now that pj brown is gone.

I hope danny can sign up chris anderson for a 2 or 3 year deal at about 1.5 to 2.5 million per year deal. Then that would give us about 3 million to sign one of these guys above. Pietrius is the more qualified forward and has a better resume to demand in the neighbrohood of 4 million per season. Its an option if we don't sign anderson. Matt barnes who is not as prolific but is a good energy guy with size could be had for 2.5 to 3 million per year. Pietrius is the better defender but barnes is not bad and i would put him to be an above average defender from what i've seen of him before

either way posey doesn't look like he will be back and the celts just can't give him more than 5 million a year hoping they can sign a cheapie pf/c for 800k (its risky though to hope they will be even 1/3rd as decent as pj brown). So prob the best bet is to get a guy like chris anderson and pietrius as the 1st option and at least anderson and matt barnes as the second

before posey, barnes, and pietrius though all become off the market danny has to be more aggressive with posey, give him a deadline and then move onto pietrius and barnes. can't wait forever

[wdleehi]

No Barnes.  He fit well in that Nelson offense.  He was a nobody in the league before that.



Pietrus is the guy I want right now.  A good defender on a bad defensive team.  Could be even better in the Boston scheme.



Really don't want Anderson.   Especially for more then the min.  This guy has shown nothing since he returned from being tossed out the league for two years.   There are guys that are better fits out there. 

[P2]

Andersen will likely come for the vet minimum, or the LLE.

[Roy Hobbs]

I also see Pietrus as the best option if we want a Posey-type player, without actually bringing Posey back.  He actually has some advantages, in that he's younger and more dynamic offensively than Posey.  However, he has yet to demonstrate that he's as tough, as consistent defensively, or as clutch.  He's also more of a 2/3, whereas Posey is a 3/4.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'm a Matt Barnes guy myself, especially if you can bring Tony Allen back if needed.
 
I like Mickael Pietrus too, but just because of his length, I think Barnes is a better fit.

In fact, I'd rather have any of these two over James Posey if Posey is asking for full MLE and these guys aren't.

Can't go wrong with any of them in my opinion, at the right price.