What if we lose out on Maggette and Posey? Ricky Davis?

[ma11l]

No Ricky.


Pietrus is the best fall back.


In some ways, I like him better then Posey (mostly doing with age)  He has been a good defender playing on a non-defensive team.   I wonder how much better he could be on a team that stresses defense and has two shot blockers and a ton of guys willing to give up the body behind him?

I like that thinking.  Pietrus would be a good fit on this team, I'm surprised he hasn't gotten more attention the last couple of days around here.

[rondohondo]

not sure about anyone else, but i'm sick of seeing ricky in celtics green.

i hated it when he was traded because then he was a good player on that team. but now? absolutely positively a bad player on this team in terms of ability - or lack thereof - and mentality.

If he was a good player on a team that made the 1st round of the playoffs , then why wouldn't he be a good player on a title contender? He knows the role as 6th man. That was the only decent team he's been on. All the other teams he has been on have been devastated by injuries or on teams with all young guys . I don't think it's a coincidence that Ricky's best year was when he was coming off the bench. Thats the role he should be in, he flourished in it before and would have a chance at a title here so he would be hungry.

[ma11l]

not sure about anyone else, but i'm sick of seeing ricky in celtics green.

i hated it when he was traded because then he was a good player on that team. but now? absolutely positively a bad player on this team in terms of ability - or lack thereof - and mentality.

If he was a good player on a team that made the 1st round of the playoffs , then why wouldn't he be a good player on a title contender? He knows the role as 6th man. That was the only decent team he's been on. All the other teams he has been on have been devastated by injuries or on teams with all young guys . I don't think it's a coincidence that Ricky's best year was when he was coming off the bench. Thats the role he should be in, he flourished in it before and would have a chance at a title here so he would be hungry.

That was also the first round where he was running around the court during Game 1 yelling SWEEP to anyone and everyone who would listen to him.  He just has never had the attitude of a winner.  I like the mixture of personalities we have on our roster now.  We have some pretty large ones, I don't see any room for another one like Ricky's. 

[celticmaestro]

not sure about anyone else, but i'm sick of seeing ricky in celtics green.

i hated it when he was traded because then he was a good player on that team. but now? absolutely positively a bad player on this team in terms of ability - or lack thereof - and mentality.

If he was a good player on a team that made the 1st round of the playoffs , then why wouldn't he be a good player on a title contender? He knows the role as 6th man. That was the only decent team he's been on. All the other teams he has been on have been devastated by injuries or on teams with all young guys . I don't think it's a coincidence that Ricky's best year was when he was coming off the bench. Thats the role he should be in, he flourished in it before and would have a chance at a title here so he would be hungry.

That was also the first round where he was running around the court during Game 1 yelling SWEEP to anyone and everyone who would listen to him.  He just has never had the attitude of a winner.  I like the mixture of personalities we have on our roster now.  We have some pretty large ones, I don't see any room for another one like Ricky's. 

tp to you ma11l for saving me the time of replying because that's pretty much my opinion too.

as for his ability, good player on a bad team sums ricky up. he can never be successful on a winning team. if i'm proved to be wrong then fine, i'll admit i was wrong not to want to take the chance, but i think i'm right on this one.

edit: i just realised that my tp puts you 2 away from a milestone. someone be kind enough to put him over the top.

[rondohondo]

not sure about anyone else, but i'm sick of seeing ricky in celtics green.

i hated it when he was traded because then he was a good player on that team. but now? absolutely positively a bad player on this team in terms of ability - or lack thereof - and mentality.

If he was a good player on a team that made the 1st round of the playoffs , then why wouldn't he be a good player on a title contender? He knows the role as 6th man. That was the only decent team he's been on. All the other teams he has been on have been devastated by injuries or on teams with all young guys . I don't think it's a coincidence that Ricky's best year was when he was coming off the bench. Thats the role he should be in, he flourished in it before and would have a chance at a title here so he would be hungry.

That was also the first round where he was running around the court during Game 1 yelling SWEEP to anyone and everyone who would listen to him.  He just has never had the attitude of a winner.  I like the mixture of personalities we have on our roster now.  We have some pretty large ones, I don't see any room for another one like Ricky's. 

he wasn't the only one acting immature in that series, like I said before Paul Pierce was tossed in game 6 which almost lost us the game and then wrapped his head like a mummy in the post game interviews. Antoine Walker got suspended for a game in that series, both those things were immature, but guess what, both those guys have rings now. Players grow and having a chance to win a title gets a lot of players to buy into team play, especially if they are on a 1 year deal and have never won a title before.

[RebusRankin]

If we lose out on both Posey and Maggette I rather see Pietrus, Barnes or Ross signed before Ricky.

[ma11l]

not sure about anyone else, but i'm sick of seeing ricky in celtics green.

i hated it when he was traded because then he was a good player on that team. but now? absolutely positively a bad player on this team in terms of ability - or lack thereof - and mentality.

If he was a good player on a team that made the 1st round of the playoffs , then why wouldn't he be a good player on a title contender? He knows the role as 6th man. That was the only decent team he's been on. All the other teams he has been on have been devastated by injuries or on teams with all young guys . I don't think it's a coincidence that Ricky's best year was when he was coming off the bench. Thats the role he should be in, he flourished in it before and would have a chance at a title here so he would be hungry.

That was also the first round where he was running around the court during Game 1 yelling SWEEP to anyone and everyone who would listen to him.  He just has never had the attitude of a winner.  I like the mixture of personalities we have on our roster now.  We have some pretty large ones, I don't see any room for another one like Ricky's. 

he wasn't the only one acting immature in that series, like I said before Paul Pierce was tossed in game 6 which almost lost us the game and then wrapped his head like a mummy in the post game interviews. Antoine Walker got suspended for a game in that series, both those things were immature, but guess what, both those guys have rings now. Players grow and having a chance to win a title gets a lot of players to buy into team play, especially if they are on a 1 year deal and have never won a title before.

Very good points.  I just don't know how many times that formula is going to work.  Maybe you're right and being with KG and Ray will have the same maturing influence on Ricky that it did on Paul.  I still with rather fill our spots with role players, because that's really the only holes we have to fill.  Filling role players with people who are used to being the leading scorers on their team is a tough fit.

[crownsy]

roy maes and me set you up to give another 100th TP, get cracking 

[rickyfan3.0...]

 

[dooyork]

I'm going to make a prediction right now: James Posey will be drenched in champagne and clutching the trophy in the locker room at the end of the 2009 finals.  Corey Magette and Ricky Davis will be at their homes watching it happen on TV.  In other words, Posey will only go to a contender, and whoever he plays for he will put over the top. 

I'll also make a prediction about what happens to that 2009 championship team four or five years later when Posey is in his last year of his new contract.  I predict...actually, wait a minute, never mind, because who cares what happens that far down the road?  Danny: keep Posey, no matter what it takes!!!

[wdleehi]

Though agent Mark Bartlestein declined to name the other franchises that filed offers for James Posey, the group is known to include a substantial list of playoff teams like the Cleveland Cavaliers, the Houston Rockets, the New Orleans Hornets and possibly the Detroit Pistons and the Los Angeles Lakers.

It's unclear how close the Celtics' offer came to the mid-level, long-term deal that Posey wants, with the desired first year starting at approximately $5.8 million and extending over four or five seasons. The C's opening move obviously wasn't good enough to bring matters to a quick resolution.

"They would like it, and we would like as well, to get it done right away," Bartlestein said. "We'd like nothing better but that's obviously not the case. But we'll see where it goes from here." -- Boston Herald

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors


That's the big part to me.   I don't see Ainge getting himself locked into such a long contract for a 6th man that is already 31.  


I don't blame Posey for wanting the one last big deal.   And I don't blame the Celtics for not giving it to him.




Time for them to focus on Maggette (worth the 5 year MLE) and Peitrus.  

[the_Bird]

Sounds exactly like what was expected.  Danny was willing to offer the MLE, but only wanted three years.  Posey wants four years (or five).  Wait and see if anyone else offers four years, hopefully Posey gives us the curtosey of letting Danny match if that does happen.  Danny wasn't going to offer up the fourth year immediately - that's no way to negotiate!

I'm wondering, too, if the offer to Maggette (surprising as it was even to Corey) was in part an effort to put some pressure on Posey to re-sign quickly for the three-year offer. 

[wdleehi]

Sounds exactly like what was expected.  Danny was willing to offer the MLE, but only wanted three years.  Posey wants four years (or five).  Wait and see if anyone else offers four years, hopefully Posey gives us the curtosey of letting Danny match if that does happen.  Danny wasn't going to offer up the fourth year immediately - that's no way to negotiate!

I'm wondering, too, if the offer to Maggette (surprising as it was even to Corey) was in part an effort to put some pressure on Posey to re-sign quickly for the three-year offer. 

No.  I think the Baron Davis opt out and going to the Clippers completely changed the game around Magette.  he went from a sign trade piece to a MLE piece overnight. 

[Evantime34]

I'm going to make a prediction right now: James Posey will be drenched in champagne and clutching the trophy in the locker room at the end of the 2009 finals.  Corey Magette and Ricky Davis will be at their homes watching it happen on TV.  In other words, Posey will only go to a contender, and whoever he plays for he will put over the top. 

I'll also make a prediction about what happens to that 2009 championship team four or five years later when Posey is in his last year of his new contract.  I predict...actually, wait a minute, never mind, because who cares what happens that far down the road?  Danny: keep Posey, no matter what it takes!!!

I like your prediction, except I have a question. Does that mean that you feel like if Posey signs with a team like the Cleveland LeBrons that will raise them to the level needed to beat us, even if we sign Maggette?

[rondohondo]

Sounds exactly like what was expected.  Danny was willing to offer the MLE, but only wanted three years.  Posey wants four years (or five).  Wait and see if anyone else offers four years, hopefully Posey gives us the curtosey of letting Danny match if that does happen.  Danny wasn't going to offer up the fourth year immediately - that's no way to negotiate!

I'm wondering, too, if the offer to Maggette (surprising as it was even to Corey) was in part an effort to put some pressure on Posey to re-sign quickly for the three-year offer. 

No.  I think the Baron Davis opt out and going to the Clippers completely changed the game around Magette.  he went from a sign trade piece to a MLE piece overnight. 

true Maggette is now an MLE player this year , but why would he accept a long term deal at the MLE from the Celtics? It would make more sense for him to sign a deal like Posey last year where he can opt out after a year or 2. That way he could get a raise with the celtics when Ray Allen comes off the books or he could prove himself as a good player on a contending team for a few years and then try to get that one big pay day when he is about 30 years old somewhere else.