Is no one else worried about our size off the bench?

[Chris]

Clifford Ray has done well with Al, Perk, Powe and Baby.  Doc has had trouble incorporating Gerald Green, Marcus Banks, Telfair, Allan Ray, Orien Greene, Jiri Welsh, Kedrick Brown, Ricky Davis and maybe Tony Allen.  Doc will have his hands full trying to coach Giddens and Walker (because they are young or have a checkered past like the examples above)--while trying to win a title. 

You are giving coaching way too much credit and blame here.  95% of a players success comes down to themselves, not their coaching.  A coach can just help them get over the top.  There were no big men available who were anywhere close to getting over the top.

[Bahku]

No ... there's a ton of time left in the off-season, and I guarantee you Danny's not done working his magic. I generally don't worry much about the C's until the season starts.

[Chief]

Clifford Ray has done well with Al, Perk, Powe and Baby.  Doc has had trouble incorporating Gerald Green, Marcus Banks, Telfair, Allan Ray, Orien Greene, Jiri Welsh, Kedrick Brown, Ricky Davis and maybe Tony Allen.  Doc will have his hands full trying to coach Giddens and Walker (because they are young or have a checkered past like the examples above)--while trying to win a title. 

You are giving coaching way too much credit and blame here.  95% of a players success comes down to themselves, not their coaching.  A coach can just help them get over the top.  There were no big men available who were anywhere close to getting over the top.

I agree. On a veteran team like the C's have, those guys will come right in and respect the team and Doc.

[WBrownTrophy]

No ... there's a ton of time left in the off-season, and I guarantee you Danny's not done working his magic. I generally don't worry much about the C's until the season starts.

you are right. Everyone criticized the C's bench last year when they got KG, but after a little bit of time he got future champion bench players. I would give him time before getting worries at all.

[Who]

Clifford Ray has done well with Al, Perk, Powe and Baby.  Doc has had trouble incorporating Gerald Green, Marcus Banks, Telfair, Allan Ray, Orien Greene, Jiri Welsh, Kedrick Brown, Ricky Davis and maybe Tony Allen.  Doc will have his hands full trying to coach Giddens and Walker (because they are young or have a checkered past like the examples above)--while trying to win a title. 

You are giving coaching way too much credit and blame here.  95% of a players success comes down to themselves, not their coaching.  A coach can just help them get over the top.  There were no big men available who were anywhere close to getting over the top.

I don't think Clifford Ray gets enough credit for the work he does.

Just look at PJ Brown and Kendrick Perkin's footwork. They are carbon copies of one another. It's not a coincidence. It's excellent coaching from Clifford Ray. He teaches big man footwork better than anyone else in the league putting his big men in a position to succeed. He's a difference maker, he's the reason the C's should be happy taking on a big man project.

[kozlodoev]

Clifford Ray has done well with Al, Perk, Powe and Baby.  Doc has had trouble incorporating Gerald Green, Marcus Banks, Telfair, Allan Ray, Orien Greene, Jiri Welsh, Kedrick Brown, Ricky Davis and maybe Tony Allen.  Doc will have his hands full trying to coach Giddens and Walker (because they are young or have a checkered past like the examples above)--while trying to win a title. 

I was starting to write this well argued response explaining why you can't compare undrafted free agent Allan Ray, 50-something pick Orien Greene and Welsch, who is out of the league, to four guys that were all picked in the top 35 picks, but then figured out it would be a waste explaining this to a guy who thinks Doc should have 'incorporated' a guy that wasn't even on any of his teams (Kedrick Brown).

[BballTim]

Clifford Ray has done well with Al, Perk, Powe and Baby.  Doc has had trouble incorporating Gerald Green, Marcus Banks, Telfair, Allan Ray, Orien Greene, Jiri Welsh, Kedrick Brown, Ricky Davis and maybe Tony Allen.  Doc will have his hands full trying to coach Giddens and Walker (because they are young or have a checkered past like the examples above)--while trying to win a title. 

  I could have personally coached Al and Perk and done better than an NBA coach would with Allan Ray, Yiri Welsh and Kedrick Brown. Coaches aren't magicians. Why do you think Doc had trouble incorporating Orien Greene but did fine with Rondo?

[Greenback]

Clifford Ray has done well with Al, Perk, Powe and Baby.  Doc has had trouble incorporating Gerald Green, Marcus Banks, Telfair, Allan Ray, Orien Greene, Jiri Welsh, Kedrick Brown, Ricky Davis and maybe Tony Allen.  Doc will have his hands full trying to coach Giddens and Walker (because they are young or have a checkered past like the examples above)--while trying to win a title. 

You are giving coaching way too much credit and blame here.  95% of a players success comes down to themselves, not their coaching.  A coach can just help them get over the top.  There were no big men available who were anywhere close to getting over the top.

I don't think Clifford Ray gets enough credit for the work he does.

Just look at PJ Brown and Kendrick Perkin's footwork. They are carbon copies of one another. It's not a coincidence. It's excellent coaching from Clifford Ray. He teaches big man footwork better than anyone else in the league putting his big men in a position to succeed. He's a difference maker, he's the reason the C's should be happy taking on a big man project.

Thank you, Who.  You need a TP. Clifford Ray is the best in the business at what he does.  In the analysis, I could substitute Greg Pruitt for Kedrick Brown, it doesn't matter.  The point is, Celtics need a big center, have a great big man coach, there was a defensive minded, shot blocker available and we drafted more of the same tweener types that are alot easier to find in the open market than BIGS.  By the way, bigs are more expensive in the open market compared to the draft, also.

[rondofan1255]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/062608dnspomavslede.42e8c8a.html

Looks like we probably won't be able to get Diop no matter what, as he commands MLE maybe?

[kozlodoev]

In the analysis, I could substitute Greg Pruitt for Kedrick Brown, it doesn't matter.

What matters is that you're not even able to remember the names of guys who are currently on the roster. Who's Greg Pruitt?

As for who 'integrated' whom, Rondo, West, and pre-injury Tony Allen are at least as good as Jefferson, Perkins and Powe. The fact that we picked a bunch of scrubs in the end of the 2nd round and in free agency who never panned out, and they happened to be guards, is absolutely inconsequential  for what you're trying to assess.

Clif Ray is a fine skills coach and no-one in their right mind will argue against them. However, your 'assessment' of the situation is extremely lopsided and ultimately close to worthless.

[Greenback]

Greg Pruitt, Gabe Pruitt all the same.  You guys major on minor things and are quite hostile.  Orien Greene, please check the spelling, may have been able to play point guard as well as Rondo did this year, we will never know because he didn't have the chance to play with the big 3 and posey and eddie and PJ, etc.  Rondo struggled mightily several times last year, especially in the playoffs. He did have a good game 6 against LA, however.

[BballTim]

Greg Pruitt, Gabe Pruitt all the same.  You guys major on minor things and are quite hostile.  Orien Greene, please check the spelling, may have been able to play point guard as well as Rondo did this year, we will never know because he didn't have the chance to play with the big 3 and posey and eddie and PJ, etc.  Rondo struggled mightily several times last year, especially in the playoffs. He did have a good game 6 against LA, however.

  Greene's nowhere near the player Rondo is. He wouldn't be able to play as well as Rondo did this year or he'd be a starter this year. Rondo put up much better numbers in 2006-2007 on a 24 win team than Greene ever has. And Rondo had a very impressive playoffs, especially considering his level of experience.

[timepiece33]

We could always sign a Jamaal Magloire, Juwan Howard, or Kurt Thomas type

Comparing Greene to Rondo is ridiculous BTW.

[cdif911]

Greg Pruitt, Gabe Pruitt all the same.  You guys major on minor things and are quite hostile.  Orien Greene, please check the spelling, may have been able to play point guard as well as Rondo did this year, we will never know because he didn't have the chance to play with the big 3 and posey and eddie and PJ, etc.  Rondo struggled mightily several times last year, especially in the playoffs. He did have a good game 6 against LA, however.

Orien Greene couldn't hold Rondo's jock, heck he can't even be cool enough to be named after a constelation, one letter off, way to go

BTW Orien is currently playing in Israel, I think if he was a guy who could play at a high level he'd still be in the US

[jay_jay54]

I feel Danny will find someone, but if things are like they were midway through the season,come this season,why not work a similar deal with PJ,at the midway point of the season.We did ok this past season... if DA is not satisfied we have the right BIGS to enter the playoffs with,their always that option.I think PJ,at age38 ,would serve us better joining midway,as long as he is in shape.PJ seems to keep healthy,fit while not playing.