The Re-Sign James Posey and Eddie House Thread

[Chris]

It all comes down to our priorities to determine what is smart and what not.

Do we want to win titles during the next years, or do we want to make sure our cap situation doesn´t hurt us in three years?

I think it´s obvious that we should place title runs over cap situation in three years. Titles are opportunities that don´t come around very often, while the cap situation is something that resolves itself with time.

With this in mind, I think we have to resign Posey, even if that means we have to pay too much money for one year. There is no other player in the league with his combination of skills, maybe Bruce Bowen, and I´m not sure about that. The playoffs have proven how valuable and clutch Pose is, and considering that he´s ok with coming from the bench, he´s even more of a rarity.

Someone said that if we want to replace Posey, we probably have to get 2-3 guys to compensate for this loss, and I agree. Imo, Posey is indispensable.

Resign Posey.

If House would resign for around the same money he gets now, and if he doesn´t want a long-term deal, I think we should bring him back, too. His energy and confidence off the bench have proven to be an integral part to this year´s playoff run. If he wants significantly more money, or minimum a 3-year-deal, I think Danny has to think about a replacement. 

There is more to it than this.  I think question comes down to whether they have a better chance of repeating next year by bringing back Posey with the MLE, and then filling other holes with veteran minimum guys, or do they try to convince posey to stay on the non-bird exception, and if he doesn't, use half of the MLE to replace him, and then the other half to upgrade another weak spot (such as backup PG or center).

I honestly don't know the answer to this until we see the market, and what kind of replacement we would be able to get, and what other guys we could get.

[BudweiserCeltic]

It all comes down to our priorities to determine what is smart and what not.

Do we want to win titles during the next years, or do we want to make sure our cap situation doesn´t hurt us in three years?

I think it´s obvious that we should place title runs over cap situation in three years. Titles are opportunities that don´t come around very often, while the cap situation is something that resolves itself with time.

With this in mind, I think we have to resign Posey, even if that means we have to pay too much money for one year. There is no other player in the league with his combination of skills, maybe Bruce Bowen, and I´m not sure about that. The playoffs have proven how valuable and clutch Pose is, and considering that he´s ok with coming from the bench, he´s even more of a rarity.

Someone said that if we want to replace Posey, we probably have to get 2-3 guys to compensate for this loss, and I agree. Imo, Posey is indispensable.

Resign Posey.

If House would resign for around the same money he gets now, and if he doesn´t want a long-term deal, I think we should bring him back, too. His energy and confidence off the bench have proven to be an integral part to this year´s playoff run. If he wants significantly more money, or minimum a 3-year-deal, I think Danny has to think about a replacement. 

There is more to it than this.  I think question comes down to whether they have a better chance of repeating next year by bringing back Posey with the MLE, and then filling other holes with veteran minimum guys, or do they try to convince posey to stay on the non-bird exception, and if he doesn't, use half of the MLE to replace him, and then the other half to upgrade another weak spot (such as backup PG or center).

I honestly don't know the answer to this until we see the market, and what kind of replacement we would be able to get, and what other guys we could get.

I'm on the fence like you are. At the moment I'm leaning towards letting Posey go if he wants full MLE, even though I would hate to do it. I can see us getting someone like Barnes, who I think plays very hard and has the skills to compliment our team quite nicely. After that, spend the rest on a real back-up Center... or a true back-up PG.

The other side of it, is that Posey will probably stay with Boston given that the Celtics matches some offer... I'm more doubtful about guys in the market wanting Boston over some other team. So if we put the money, Posey should stay... I don't think there's the level of guarantee with other players. So if we don't sign Posey, we risk our plan B, C, and D failing too.

[seccom]

I really don't think you guys should be worry about Kupchak go after Posey.

All talk in LA is about Atest especially after Atest just gave an interview to Lakers' flagship radio station.

[Chris]

It all comes down to our priorities to determine what is smart and what not.

Do we want to win titles during the next years, or do we want to make sure our cap situation doesn´t hurt us in three years?

I think it´s obvious that we should place title runs over cap situation in three years. Titles are opportunities that don´t come around very often, while the cap situation is something that resolves itself with time.

With this in mind, I think we have to resign Posey, even if that means we have to pay too much money for one year. There is no other player in the league with his combination of skills, maybe Bruce Bowen, and I´m not sure about that. The playoffs have proven how valuable and clutch Pose is, and considering that he´s ok with coming from the bench, he´s even more of a rarity.

Someone said that if we want to replace Posey, we probably have to get 2-3 guys to compensate for this loss, and I agree. Imo, Posey is indispensable.

Resign Posey.

If House would resign for around the same money he gets now, and if he doesn´t want a long-term deal, I think we should bring him back, too. His energy and confidence off the bench have proven to be an integral part to this year´s playoff run. If he wants significantly more money, or minimum a 3-year-deal, I think Danny has to think about a replacement. 

There is more to it than this.  I think question comes down to whether they have a better chance of repeating next year by bringing back Posey with the MLE, and then filling other holes with veteran minimum guys, or do they try to convince posey to stay on the non-bird exception, and if he doesn't, use half of the MLE to replace him, and then the other half to upgrade another weak spot (such as backup PG or center).

I honestly don't know the answer to this until we see the market, and what kind of replacement we would be able to get, and what other guys we could get.

I'm on the fence like you are. At the moment I'm leaning towards letting Posey go if he wants full MLE, even though I would hate to do it. I can see us getting someone like Barnes, who I think plays very hard and has the skills to compliment our team quite nicely. After that, spend the rest on a real back-up Center... or a true back-up PG.

The other side of it, is that Posey will probably stay with Boston given that the Celtics matches some offer... I'm more doubtful about guys in the market wanting Boston over some other team. So if we put the money, Posey should stay... I don't think there's the level of guarantee with other players. So if we don't sign Posey, we risk our plan B, C, and D failing too.

I disagree, I think Boston is a very popular option right now for free agents.  They give them a chance to win, and a chance to play in a great team environment.  It is not for everyone, as some guys are looking for that big payday...but there will be plenty who may take a bit less to play for the C's.

[cordobes]

The more I think about it, the more I am worried that Posey will go elsewhere.

I just don't see the C's wanting to match anything over 3 years on the MLE, or they may not want to use the MLE at all.

And there is a good chance at least one team will offer him 4 or even 5 years, and considering this is his last big chance to cash in, I think he will likely be unable to turn it down.

I agree. He MAY have to be willing to accept something less to stay. Simply to hurt us Kupckak will throw the max he can at him, which will be what, 18.5 mill over 3 years? In one stroke we are badly, badly damaged, and LA gets exactly what they need. If James stays, I hope everyone knows there will be some degree of financial sacrifice from him to do it.

Nope. The C's and LA can offer Posey exactly the same: full-MLE for x years.(Boston can also offer him a 5 year non-Bird contract, that LA can't)

The question is: shall we?

[Casperian]

It all comes down to our priorities to determine what is smart and what not.

Do we want to win titles during the next years, or do we want to make sure our cap situation doesn´t hurt us in three years?

I think it´s obvious that we should place title runs over cap situation in three years. Titles are opportunities that don´t come around very often, while the cap situation is something that resolves itself with time.

With this in mind, I think we have to resign Posey, even if that means we have to pay too much money for one year. There is no other player in the league with his combination of skills, maybe Bruce Bowen, and I´m not sure about that. The playoffs have proven how valuable and clutch Pose is, and considering that he´s ok with coming from the bench, he´s even more of a rarity.

Someone said that if we want to replace Posey, we probably have to get 2-3 guys to compensate for this loss, and I agree. Imo, Posey is indispensable.

Resign Posey.

If House would resign for around the same money he gets now, and if he doesn´t want a long-term deal, I think we should bring him back, too. His energy and confidence off the bench have proven to be an integral part to this year´s playoff run. If he wants significantly more money, or minimum a 3-year-deal, I think Danny has to think about a replacement. 

There is more to it than this.  I think question comes down to whether they have a better chance of repeating next year by bringing back Posey with the MLE, and then filling other holes with veteran minimum guys, or do they try to convince posey to stay on the non-bird exception, and if he doesn't, use half of the MLE to replace him, and then the other half to upgrade another weak spot (such as backup PG or center).

I honestly don't know the answer to this until we see the market, and what kind of replacement we would be able to get, and what other guys we could get.

I'm on the fence like you are. At the moment I'm leaning towards letting Posey go if he wants full MLE, even though I would hate to do it. I can see us getting someone like Barnes, who I think plays very hard and has the skills to compliment our team quite nicely. After that, spend the rest on a real back-up Center... or a true back-up PG.

The other side of it, is that Posey will probably stay with Boston given that the Celtics matches some offer... I'm more doubtful about guys in the market wanting Boston over some other team. So if we put the money, Posey should stay... I don't think there's the level of guarantee with other players. So if we don't sign Posey, we risk our plan B, C, and D failing too.

I disagree, I think Boston is a very popular option right now for free agents.  They give them a chance to win, and a chance to play in a great team environment.  It is not for everyone, as some guys are looking for that big payday...but there will be plenty who may take a bit less to play for the C's.

"Never change a winning team", as the old saying goes. Of course, it means during and between games, not the off-season, but we are the champions.

If we would have lost in the finals or the ECF, I could understand the argument that we could fill other holes with the money we would throw at Posey, but as the team currently stands, we are the team to beat. Why mess with chemistry and team composure, when the other teams have to react? Our holes can´t be that big.

Posey combines several key skills. If we would need 2 guys to replace Posey, we would also have to play both of them, probably at the expense of other players we already have, which would also mess with chemistry and composure. I can see the benefit, but it´s not a sure thing, while keeping Posey is, imo.

[Mr October]

I'm thinking Posey will need the full MLE over 3 or 4 years to stay. And he is worth it. He is the most valuable bench player. He masterfully subs at the 2,3,4 positions, and blends in great with the other starters.

Hopefully House can be resigned at a 20% bump, for 2-3 years. Offer him opt out control if needs be.

Then use the LLE for a big. I pray that Mourning considers a run with the C's. 

[cordobes]

It all comes down to our priorities to determine what is smart and what not.

Do we want to win titles during the next years, or do we want to make sure our cap situation doesn´t hurt us in three years?

I think it´s obvious that we should place title runs over cap situation in three years. Titles are opportunities that don´t come around very often, while the cap situation is something that resolves itself with time.

With this in mind, I think we have to resign Posey, even if that means we have to pay too much money for one year. There is no other player in the league with his combination of skills, maybe Bruce Bowen, and I´m not sure about that. The playoffs have proven how valuable and clutch Pose is, and considering that he´s ok with coming from the bench, he´s even more of a rarity.

Someone said that if we want to replace Posey, we probably have to get 2-3 guys to compensate for this loss, and I agree. Imo, Posey is indispensable.

Resign Posey.

If House would resign for around the same money he gets now, and if he doesn´t want a long-term deal, I think we should bring him back, too. His energy and confidence off the bench have proven to be an integral part to this year´s playoff run. If he wants significantly more money, or minimum a 3-year-deal, I think Danny has to think about a replacement. 

There is more to it than this.  I think question comes down to whether they have a better chance of repeating next year by bringing back Posey with the MLE, and then filling other holes with veteran minimum guys, or do they try to convince posey to stay on the non-bird exception, and if he doesn't, use half of the MLE to replace him, and then the other half to upgrade another weak spot (such as backup PG or center).

I honestly don't know the answer to this until we see the market, and what kind of replacement we would be able to get, and what other guys we could get.

I'm on the fence like you are. At the moment I'm leaning towards letting Posey go if he wants full MLE, even though I would hate to do it. I can see us getting someone like Barnes, who I think plays very hard and has the skills to compliment our team quite nicely. After that, spend the rest on a real back-up Center... or a true back-up PG.

The other side of it, is that Posey will probably stay with Boston given that the Celtics matches some offer... I'm more doubtful about guys in the market wanting Boston over some other team. So if we put the money, Posey should stay... I don't think there's the level of guarantee with other players. So if we don't sign Posey, we risk our plan B, C, and D failing too.

I disagree, I think Boston is a very popular option right now for free agents.  They give them a chance to win, and a chance to play in a great team environment.  It is not for everyone, as some guys are looking for that big payday...but there will be plenty who may take a bit less to play for the C's.

"Never change a winning team", as the old saying goes. Of course, it means during and between games, not the off-season, but we are the champions.

If we would have lost in the finals or the ECF, I could understand the argument that we could fill other holes with the money we would throw at Posey, but as the team currently stands, we are the team to beat. Why mess with chemistry and team composure, when the other teams have to react? Our holes can´t be that big.

Posey combines several key skills. If we would need 2 guys to replace Posey, we would also have to play both of them, probably at the expense of other players we already have, which would also mess with chemistry and composure. I can see the benefit, but it´s not a sure thing, while keeping Posey is, imo.

Yeps, but do you want to fill the rest of the bench with a #30 pick rookie, a LLE player and minimum salary players for, at least, the next 2 seasons?

[Casperian]

Yeps, but do you want to fill the rest of the bench with a #30 pick rookie, a LLE player and minimum salary players for, at least, the next 2 seasons?

What´s wrong with that?
Danny is great at drafting, and we are the champions. If we have to sign Posey for 4 years, Ray´s contract is already off the books in the 4th year, and Pierce will probably sign for less.

This season, we already brought two vets in, Brown and Cassell. While PJ was a great pickup, Cassell was subpar, to put it diplomatically. I think there´s no reason why we can´t sign more vets for the minimum to fill the roster around our core, and I consider Posey a part of this core. He is our sixth man, and he was great at it.

I expect Powe, Perkins, Rondo and Baby to improve (at least 3 out of 4) over the next years, so there´s more upside in this team than it seems at first glance. The NBA is a player´s league, I rather have one great and three mediocre bench players than 4 good ones.

[12417]

Posey is a must! Not only for the role he played this year but in the event any of the 'Big 3' go down with an injury he'd be the ultimate player to step in. Figuring Pollard, PJ and Cassell are gone. We made it through this season without any significant injury, KG's abdominal strain being the worst, and with the aging of these guys we have to factor one or two of them is going to miss time due to injury (15-30 games) at some point in the next 2yrs.. Having Poz is the best insurance to fill that void and we also have to keep him off the rosters of the other title contending teams. Imagine Cleveland or Detroit with Poz!! I think the Lakers run was a mirage this year and they will struggle next year especially if they keep putting all their hopes on the 'potential' of Bynum.

[cordobes]

Yeps, but do you want to fill the rest of the bench with a #30 pick rookie, a LLE player and minimum salary players for, at least, the next 2 seasons?

What´s wrong with that?
Danny is great at drafting, and we are the champions. If we have to sign Posey for 4 years, Ray´s contract is already off the books in the 4th year, and Pierce will probably sign for less.

This season, we already brought two vets in, Brown and Cassell. While PJ was a great pickup, Cassell was subpar, to put it diplomatically. I think there´s no reason why we can´t sign more vets for the minimum to fill the roster around our core, and I consider Posey a part of this core. He is our sixth man, and he was great at it.

I expect Powe, Perkins, Rondo and Baby to improve (at least 3 out of 4) over the next years, so there´s more upside in this team than it seems at first glance. The NBA is a player´s league, I rather have one great and three mediocre bench players than 4 good ones.

Well, I don't think there's something wrong per si, but I'm not sure which the best option is.

I'm not worried about the salary situation in 4 or 5 years (that's why i said that our priority should be to offer Posey the non-Bird exception for 5 years). I'm also not worried about the aging thing.

But look at the downsides:
We'll only have a 1st round pick this year. It's hard to believe that the rookie will be good enough to contribute for a championship team, especially if he is a pg or a center (our weakest positions if we keep Posey), since they take more time to develop.

Powe, BBD and Scal play the same position, one that Posey also does. Besides them, if we sign House with the LLE, we'll have Pruitt, maybe Tony Allen (and as it seems we are only giving workouts to SGs I think he's leaving), and that's all. So, our bench situation would be: PFs, Posey as a SF, House as a shooting specialist and 2 very raw guys who won't be used in the playoffs.

Can we find good enough veterans who want to play for the minimum to fill the holes, especially pgs and centers? Not only next year, but for the next 2/3 years (when we'll need more help from the bench as the Big 3+Posey are getting older). Maybe we do, but I'm not sure. I won't rule out the hypothesis we can have a better bench using the MLE+LLE in the free agent market.

So, at least is premature to have a definitive position, IMO.

[seccom]

Posey is a must! Not only for the role he played this year but in the event any of the 'Big 3' go down with an injury he'd be the ultimate player to step in. Figuring Pollard, PJ and Cassell are gone. We made it through this season without any significant injury, KG's abdominal strain being the worst, and with the aging of these guys we have to factor one or two of them is going to miss time due to injury (15-30 games) at some point in the next 2yrs.. Having Poz is the best insurance to fill that void and we also have to keep him off the rosters of the other title contending teams. Imagine Cleveland or Detroit with Poz!! I think the Lakers run was a mirage this year and they will struggle next year especially if they keep putting all their hopes on the 'potential' of Bynum.

Really, how did you come to the conclusion that the Lakers' run was a mirage?

Since this is a thread about Posey, let me say this:

If Posey were playing of the Lakers instead the Celtics, what do you think the outcome would be? One player can make all the different in this final.

Except game 6, all the games were not decided until the last 5 minutes of the games.

Even if everything remaing the same, all the Lakers need to do is to have Gasol and Odom shot their free throws up their normal average (no defense for that), the outcome of several of the games would be different.

Celtics win the Championship and is a better a team. But to say the Lakers' run is a mirage is to put down the whole Western Conference.

[Roy Hobbs]

Celtics win the Championship and is a better a team. But to say the Lakers' run is a mirage is to put down the whole Western Conference.

If the shoe fits.

Not to put down your team or anything, but I can honestly say that the Lakers were the second worst team the Celtics played in the postseason this year.  I think Detroit, and especially Cleveland, were head and shoulders above the Lakers.

I expect that to change somewhat when Bynum comes back, but you guys have some real question marks.  Clogging up the court with Bynum, Gasol, and Odom doesn't do much for your spacing, Fisher is a year older, and Farmar and Vujacic are inconsistent.

If we bring back our same team, I expect we beat you next year, as well (if you get that far, which I don't think is a certainty).

[seccom]

Celtics win the Championship and is a better a team. But to say the Lakers' run is a mirage is to put down the whole Western Conference.

If the shoe fits.

Not to put down your team or anything, but I can honestly say that the Lakers were the second worst team the Celtics played in the postseason this year.  I think Detroit, and especially Cleveland, were head and shoulders above the Lakers.

I expect that to change somewhat when Bynum comes back, but you guys have some real question marks.  Clogging up the court with Bynum, Gasol, and Odom doesn't do much for your spacing, Fisher is a year older, and Farmar and Vujacic are inconsistent.

If we bring back our same team, I expect we beat you next year, as well (if you get that far, which I don't think is a certainty).

This is all empty argument. There is nothing to support it one way or another. Someone in Utah or San Antonio can also say the same thing about the Celtics.

[rondofan1255]

I think I heard this on a post-game show, but they said that the Celtics when they are playing at their usual level w/o injuries are 20 points better than the lakers. Also, did you also consider the fact that the Celts had injured people (Perk, Rondo), two starting players?

And, if you don't think the first two series were needed, as well as the Detroit series for "closing-out games (i heard this somewhere and agree)", then I really don't know what to say. This was a team in its 1st postseason together, and I can only think of Powe Perkins Rondo and Pierce and Scal as the only Celtics remaining from last season. The only excuse you all could say that is big, is that Gasol came, but most of the other players have been here 2+ seasons at the very least.

The fact is, against the Lakers, I don't think Posey on the Lakers instead of on the Celtics would have "changed several games" because, evidently Posey is on our side anyway. If he wasn't, then we can say Rondo Pierce and Perk were all 100% healthy because they could have been....

So then, I still say Celts win. The Lakers were seriously not better than the Pistons.