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Re: all this smokin!
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2008, 03:22:37 PM »

Offline DanaBarrosFan

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all year i've worried like many others on the big 3's health, their conditioning. when they won, i think ever single celtic puffed a cigar, even doc. yes i understand it's for red but today during the parade, they did it again. and it's not like its really just for show either- they're really puffing away, especially pierce.

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For example, in mainstream smoke there is about 3 mg of nicotine/gram of tobacco smoked in cigars compared to 0.6 to 1.4 mg/gram of tobacco smoked in cigarettes. Cigars have also been identified as increasing the risk for chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and coronary heart disease compared to nonsmokers and the risk increased with greater smoking (New England J of Medicine, June, 1999, p. 1773-80).

i don't want any celtic to get too comfortable with this smoking business. am i the only one who cares about this?

Yes.

This abstinence-only appraach to smoking is not effective.  Whatever we say or do, kids are going to smoke and experiment with smoking. We need to teach kids about "safe smoking".
You're joking right? And the world is flat? The health risks from smoking are not even debatable. Have you seen a smoker's lung compared to a healthy lung?

I'm not usually a "ranter" but this whole "kids will do whatever they want so let's encourage them to do it safely" is the biggest load of crap in the world. Unfortunately, it's a popular attitude because it absolves people of responsibility. Heaven forbid we should take some responsibility upon ourselves to teach our kids. And heaven forbid we should draw a few lines for our kids that should never be crossed. Goodness, if we did such a thing, we'd be "limiting" their "life" experience to their detriment! Wo is us!! ....Complete and utter hogwash.

(ok, I'll get off my soapbox now...)

For alcohol we say "Whatever you do...don't drink at all!"

For smoking we say "Whatever you do...don't smoke at all!"
F
But for sex we say: "Do it safely".

Why the inconsistency? We should treat all three subjects the same way - it is perfectly legal to smoke, drink and have sex. Just do it safely.


Re: all this smokin!
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2008, 03:30:15 PM »

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i don't want any celtic to get too comfortable with this smoking business. am i the only one who cares about this?

this celebration won't stop for another month, and imagine the number of cigars by then. and if they're all a step slow next year, don't blame it on their age, blame it on this. celebrate differently. i'm not sayin it's going to kill them. merely affect their conditioning when age is already not on their side.

I think we all need to take a step back and relax. This implication, based on what, two celebrations, that the Celtics are going to be puff puff puffing away nonstop for the next month straight seems a little over the top.

Let the C's enjoy the win. Let us enjoy the win. Lets not worry about the effect of a cigar or two on next season. (yes, I know you said the cumulative effect of many cigars, but, seriously, on what are you basing this?)

I seem to remember Jordan being quite the cigar afficianado, he seemed to be ok piling up 6 championships.

Re: all this smokin!
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2008, 06:07:01 PM »

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all year i've worried like many others on the big 3's health, their conditioning. when they won, i think ever single celtic puffed a cigar, even doc. yes i understand it's for red but today during the parade, they did it again. and it's not like its really just for show either- they're really puffing away, especially pierce.

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For example, in mainstream smoke there is about 3 mg of nicotine/gram of tobacco smoked in cigars compared to 0.6 to 1.4 mg/gram of tobacco smoked in cigarettes. Cigars have also been identified as increasing the risk for chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and coronary heart disease compared to nonsmokers and the risk increased with greater smoking (New England J of Medicine, June, 1999, p. 1773-80).

i don't want any celtic to get too comfortable with this smoking business. am i the only one who cares about this?

Yes.

This abstinence-only appraach to smoking is not effective.  Whatever we say or do, kids are going to smoke and experiment with smoking. We need to teach kids about "safe smoking".
You're joking right? And the world is flat? The health risks from smoking are not even debatable. Have you seen a smoker's lung compared to a healthy lung?

I'm not usually a "ranter" but this whole "kids will do whatever they want so let's encourage them to do it safely" is the biggest load of crap in the world. Unfortunately, it's a popular attitude because it absolves people of responsibility. Heaven forbid we should take some responsibility upon ourselves to teach our kids. And heaven forbid we should draw a few lines for our kids that should never be crossed. Goodness, if we did such a thing, we'd be "limiting" their "life" experience to their detriment! Wo is us!! ....Complete and utter hogwash.

(ok, I'll get off my soapbox now...)

For alcohol we say "Whatever you do...don't drink at all!"

For smoking we say "Whatever you do...don't smoke at all!"
F
But for sex we say: "Do it safely".

Why the inconsistency? We should treat all three subjects the same way - it is perfectly legal to smoke, drink and have sex. Just do it safely.

Ah, I absolutely agree that there's an inconsistency there - and I agree that we should treat all three the same way. Remember, there are still people in the world that believe in sexual abstinence until marriage. Again, as I said before, this whole idea that we're "limiting" our kids' life experience by teaching principles with clear boundaries is simply baloney.

Re: all this smokin!
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2008, 06:13:26 PM »

Offline Frontierboy

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Smoking a cigar during a short period of the year ain't going to kill anyone or hurt them health-wise........ I say when you win a championship, "Smoke 'em if you got 'em"!!!!!!!

Re: all this smokin!
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2008, 06:16:53 PM »

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Give me a break smoking a few cigars is not going to kill a world class athlete any time soon..If it was an every day thing maybe you would be concerned..

Seriously...get a grip right...They're celebrating...

Drinking champagne can be hazardous too
Excessive smiling ;D Ouch, I pulled a cheek muscle

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Re: all this smokin!
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2008, 06:20:49 PM »

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all year i've worried like many others on the big 3's health, their conditioning. when they won, i think ever single celtic puffed a cigar, even doc. yes i understand it's for red but today during the parade, they did it again. and it's not like its really just for show either- they're really puffing away, especially pierce.

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For example, in mainstream smoke there is about 3 mg of nicotine/gram of tobacco smoked in cigars compared to 0.6 to 1.4 mg/gram of tobacco smoked in cigarettes. Cigars have also been identified as increasing the risk for chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and coronary heart disease compared to nonsmokers and the risk increased with greater smoking (New England J of Medicine, June, 1999, p. 1773-80).

i don't want any celtic to get too comfortable with this smoking business. am i the only one who cares about this?

Yes.

This abstinence-only appraach to smoking is not effective.  Whatever we say or do, kids are going to smoke and experiment with smoking. We need to teach kids about "safe smoking".
You're joking right? And the world is flat? The health risks from smoking are not even debatable. Have you seen a smoker's lung compared to a healthy lung?

I'm not usually a "ranter" but this whole "kids will do whatever they want so let's encourage them to do it safely" is the biggest load of crap in the world. Unfortunately, it's a popular attitude because it absolves people of responsibility. Heaven forbid we should take some responsibility upon ourselves to teach our kids. And heaven forbid we should draw a few lines for our kids that should never be crossed. Goodness, if we did such a thing, we'd be "limiting" their "life" experience to their detriment! Wo is us!! ....Complete and utter hogwash.

(ok, I'll get off my soapbox now...)

For alcohol we say "Whatever you do...don't drink at all!"

For smoking we say "Whatever you do...don't smoke at all!"
F
But for sex we say: "Do it safely".

Why the inconsistency? We should treat all three subjects the same way - it is perfectly legal to smoke, drink and have sex. Just do it safely.

Ah, I absolutely agree that there's an inconsistency there - and I agree that we should treat all three the same way. Remember, there are still people in the world that believe in sexual abstinence until marriage. Again, as I said before, this whole idea that we're "limiting" our kids' life experience by teaching principles with clear boundaries is simply baloney.

What's your problem with people who believe in sexual abstinence until marriage? Are they forcing you to engage in abstinence or something? Who are "our kids"? All your kids belong to us? Very orwellian expression... Let the parents teach their kids whatever principles they want.

Re: all this smokin!
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2008, 07:02:35 PM »

Offline Hoops

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For alcohol we say "Whatever you do...don't drink at all!"

For smoking we say "Whatever you do...don't smoke at all!"
F
But for sex we say: "Do it safely".

Why the inconsistency? We should treat all three subjects the same way - it is perfectly legal to smoke, drink and have sex. Just do it safely.

Ah, I absolutely agree that there's an inconsistency there - and I agree that we should treat all three the same way. Remember, there are still people in the world that believe in sexual abstinence until marriage. Again, as I said before, this whole idea that we're "limiting" our kids' life experience by teaching principles with clear boundaries is simply baloney.

What's your problem with people who believe in sexual abstinence until marriage? Are they forcing you to engage in abstinence or something? Who are "our kids"? All your kids belong to us? Very orwellian expression... Let the parents teach their kids whatever principles they want.
Maybe you misread me - I have no problem with people who believe in abstinence before marriage - in fact, I endorse it. My point is that it's silly to teach kids to "go ahead and do X (smoking, sex, drugs, etc.), but do it safely." It's a mixed message that the vast majority of kids can't understand or don't know how to deal with. I believe that kids should be taught clear principles with clear boundaries. I concede a slight variance in social and moral beliefs from parent to parent, but the concept remains the same - kids lose when we send them mixed messages.

Re: all this smokin!
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2008, 07:18:26 PM »

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This thread has to be a joke, right? Please someone tell me this was a joke?

These are the times when I remember that the word "fan" comes from the word "fanatic". You sir are a fanatic.

Re: all this smokin!
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2008, 07:22:21 PM »

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Im pretty sure these guys aren't inhaling. If they were they would be either coughing their heads off or they are already smoking allot already.

There is no way you inhale cigar smoke or any other smoke and it not affect you unless you are experienced at it.

Re: all this smokin!
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2008, 07:26:05 PM »

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While this seems to me the "height of the absurd" to be concerned with, NONE of the Celtics I observed were inhaling at all.
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Re: all this smokin!
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2008, 07:35:59 PM »

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Just in case it wasn't clear from some of my previous posts above, I've only been responding to a single comment from a single poster who said - and I'm paraphrasing here - kids are going to try stuff (smoking, etc.) no matter what parents tell them, so we should just tell them to do it safely. To me, that's an oxymoron.

At no point in the thread have I vilified any of the Celtics for lighting up a celebratory cigar - they're grown men and they can do what they want. 

Re: all this smokin!
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2008, 07:58:48 PM »

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That's it.  It's over.  Paul Pierce survived multiple stab wounds, but that cigar is going to end his career.  It's over.  We'll never win again.  Trade them all now for someone who drinks smoothies and eats granola bars, because they are done.

Also, any children who witnessed these "people" (and I use that word QUITE liberally in this sense!) need to be educated... no, rather REeducated as to how to take care of themselves.

I propose we start several centers of reeducation for these poor, hopeless children.  Of course, we will need to wash all memories from their brains of this incident.  And to prevent them from ever being tainted again, I am also proposing a bold new device I call the "sand helmet".  Essentially, by forcing their heads into sandboxes we can make sure they never view such evil again.

Back to the adults.

Since they are clearly too old to be properly reeducated and their craniums too large to allow a proper sand treatment, we must ship them to another state/country/gulag that can properly handle them.  We will need to purge all images of them smoking.  But everyone will know they are having a victory parade... so let us, through some creative photoshopping, show all of them puffing on carrots.  Kids hate carrots, but love athletes.  Problem solved.

Re: all this smokin!
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2008, 08:01:27 PM »

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For alcohol we say "Whatever you do...don't drink at all!"

For smoking we say "Whatever you do...don't smoke at all!"
F
But for sex we say: "Do it safely".

Why the inconsistency? We should treat all three subjects the same way - it is perfectly legal to smoke, drink and have sex. Just do it safely.

Ah, I absolutely agree that there's an inconsistency there - and I agree that we should treat all three the same way. Remember, there are still people in the world that believe in sexual abstinence until marriage. Again, as I said before, this whole idea that we're "limiting" our kids' life experience by teaching principles with clear boundaries is simply baloney.

What's your problem with people who believe in sexual abstinence until marriage? Are they forcing you to engage in abstinence or something? Who are "our kids"? All your kids belong to us? Very orwellian expression... Let the parents teach their kids whatever principles they want.
Maybe you misread me - I have no problem with people who believe in abstinence before marriage - in fact, I endorse it. My point is that it's silly to teach kids to "go ahead and do X (smoking, sex, drugs, etc.), but do it safely." It's a mixed message that the vast majority of kids can't understand or don't know how to deal with. I believe that kids should be taught clear principles with clear boundaries. I concede a slight variance in social and moral beliefs from parent to parent, but the concept remains the same - kids lose when we send them mixed messages.

I have completely misread you. My apologies and TP for amendment purposes.  :-[ We pretty much agree. I'd say I concede a larger variance in what parents want to teach their children according to their moral beliefs - if they (or the government in their behalf) didn't try to sell that "go ahead but do it safely" crap to my (hypothetical) kids or teach theirs that cannibalism is fancy, I'd be fine.

Re: all this smokin!
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2008, 08:24:32 PM »

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And cigar smoke is not inhaled
It will only give u tongue cancer
is u do it often
Dont worry guys they will be o.k.

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Re: all this smokin!
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2008, 08:53:23 PM »

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all year i've worried like many others on the big 3's health, their conditioning. when they won, i think ever single celtic puffed a cigar, even doc. yes i understand it's for red but today during the parade, they did it again. and it's not like its really just for show either- they're really puffing away, especially pierce.

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For example, in mainstream smoke there is about 3 mg of nicotine/gram of tobacco smoked in cigars compared to 0.6 to 1.4 mg/gram of tobacco smoked in cigarettes. Cigars have also been identified as increasing the risk for chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and coronary heart disease compared to nonsmokers and the risk increased with greater smoking (New England J of Medicine, June, 1999, p. 1773-80).

i don't want any celtic to get too comfortable with this smoking business. am i the only one who cares about this? if they're all a step slow next year, don't blame it on their age, blame it on this. celebrate differently. i'm not sayin it's going to kill them. merely affect their conditioning when age is already not on their side.

you have got to be kidding me!!!! this thread makes me think we need to bring back the "taketh away", lol.