If you're assuming that the $22.5M non-Bird exception won't be enough to resign Posey and that we'll need to spend the MLE (or most of it) on him, then I (and EJ) have already said that in that case we must resign Allen. What are we exactly discussing?
Actually, EJ hasn't said that. EJ said that if we spend it on Posey, that we have to let TA go. Your point of view made sense a couple of posts back when you agreed that if ownership is willing to spend that we should keep TA, and if they aren't willing to spend, then we should really reconsider. I'm with you up to that point. I've been arguing with EJ about his position which is entirely different than yours.
I have said that if we sign Posey AND Eddie then we don't need to sign TA. I have said that if we don't keep one of the two then we need to sign him at a cheap price. I have said this multiple times. I never said at the right price if we can't upgrade his spot that we shouldn't attempt to sign him for cheap. If you are going to tell people what I said, then be accurate.
the problem for me is what you think is reasonable for TA and the ways you think we could add someone of TAs ability if we don't sign him...
I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with me as to TA's value. I doubt anyone on here thought that we would sign a player that was as productive as House for 1.5 million either though so as to how easy it will be to sign someone similar, I think that is TBD. We have the advantage of being the champs now too, so that gives us the lead shot at anyone that does come up.
okay, but signing TA for more money that you think he is worth doesn't in any way prevent or affect any of our means to go after other players (like an Eddie House), and that it seems to me is the point that is getting lost here.
I hear you, but I just don't buy the fact there isn't a threshold financially that the owners won't think twice about signing someone. If he is making 2 mil more than he should be, then that same 2 mil is going to be 2 mil that might have made the difference to them in two players they are debating signing. If they feel one has a little edge over the other but is a couple million more expensive, then they might take their chances with the other guy. I understand the concept you guys are quoting, but every dollar we are over counts twice, so 4 mil extra is a lot.
if there is indeed a threshold for the owners then i agree that it changes the equation some, but more important is what Danny thinks of TA and his value and what he thinks of other players that he thinks he could get for the Eddie House type money that you are talking about.
the problem though is when you don't fill needs with a guy that you have Bird-rights for, you take up the limited means you have to fill that need in other ways which in turn limits the way that you can fill other needs....it's a domino effect...
that and any player we sign when you are over the luxury cap counts double so this is true for whoever we sign.
